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MoveOn vs. FreedomsWatch! Internet Showdown!

Submitted by FearTheReaper

Edited by FearTheReaper

Tags: MoveOn.org, FreedomWatch.org.



Finally, a right wing version of MoveOn.org is here! And they are focused! Welcome FreedomsWatch.org!


Our mission is to ensure a strong national defense and a powerful fight against terror, especially in Iraq.


This is the point where the movie trailer is interrupted by the sound of a needle scratching across a record. Someone should tell these guys that there is zero evidence linking terrorism to Iraq. Zero. They should check out these other countries named Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.


Those who want to quit while victory is possible have dominated the public debate about terror and Iraq since the 2004 election.


Super. I’ll stop wanting to quit when you kids can actually define “victory.”


Our group will give a voice to those who believe that victory is America's only choice. For those who believe in peace through strength, the cavalry is coming.


Um, the cavalry already controls this thing called the White House. There is also this small channel called Fox News and one or two conservative talk show hosts on the radio. But thanks for pitching in.


Our goal, as we await General Petraeus' report, is to make sure our elected leaders do not abandon our nation's mission in Iraq and that they do not cave in to the demands of those who want to cut and run.


Okay, but you should know that the White House (cavalry) is writing General Petaeus’ report, so it’s more like Bush’s report. And those who want to “cut and run” are known as the “majority.” Thankfully, Ari Fleischer hit the press circuit today, saying exactly what was already on the website.


“For those who believe in peace through strength, the cavalry is coming," said former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, who is a founding board member of the group.


Is the cavalry named “Orwell,” you walking cliché? Seriously, through Ari, where you been? Last I heard you were spreading the name of a covert CIA agent around town. Welcome back!

There is a big difference between the two groups. Disenfranchised liberals started MoveOn. FreedomsWatch was created by and funded by “high-profile” Republicans, many who have worked for Bush in the past.


The big ad buy, funded by high-profile Republicans who were aides and supporters of President Bush…


MoveOn is the ultimate example of a grass roots movement, while FreedomsWatch is the opposite. Two owners of a software company originally created MoveOn.org to oppose the impeachment of Clinton. The original name was "Censure and Move On." At the beginning, MoveOn even had moderate Republican members. The group was an overnight sensation. Soon, MoveOn became a major player by using small donations to raise large amounts of money. Their success was unprecedented.

FreedomsWatch.org is the opposite. The group is just another extension of the Bush cult of personality, made up of rich, well connected, Washington insiders. Best of all, FreedomsWatch has decided to base their group on one man and his very unpopular war. That should work out great.

The people running the group are also apparently advertising idiots.


Organizers said the ads will run on Fox News Channel, CNN and elsewhere, with radio versions airing nationally during the conservative talk shows of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.


Preach to the converted much? MoveOn focuses their attacks on close election races or in areas where they want to change opinions. MoveOn does not run ads in New York City or San Francisco because they are not retarded. People in those areas are already on their side. The same cannot be said for Freedomswatch. Running ads on Rush Limbaugh’s show and Fox News is a colossal waste of money.

Other ads will air in districts or home states of Republicans who have begun to voice disappointment with the progress of the war. So, basically, FreedomsWatch.org are going after Republicans, not Democrats. Keep up the good work and fight amongst yourselves.


The ads are meant to “communicate to the American people, to Congress and to the world that there’s another side to the story, and that America should not and must not surrender, because appeasement doesn’t work.”

“There’s a significant voice out there that believes that, but it wasn’t breaking through organizationally or in the media.”


Oh, fuck yes. If only your side had gotten a fair shake and been able to explain the terrorism/Iraq connection, just once, instead of the 944,638 times that we’ve had to endure the past five years. Nobody is buying it, dipshits. But please keep pouring your money down that hole because it is amusing me.

Here is one of the delightful ads.



It’s no time for politics? Uh, then why are you making a political ad, soldier? There is nothing like showing your amputated legs in a political ad to show how you are not being political.

Ads such as this will only solidify people’s opinions on the war. Most minds are already made up. And FreedomsWatch won’t work as a grassroots website for Bush followers because they are already highly organized. It is entirely unnecessary. MoveOn only exists to counter the right wing machine.

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JekyllAndHyde

JekyllAndHyde

Baltimore, MD
April 2005

AUG 23, 2007 09:04 AM

How macho of them. What are they personally gonna' do to "ensure victory?" Type the keyboard more violently?

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

AUG 23, 2007 10:31 AM

That video is creepy.

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

AUG 23, 2007 10:31 AM



Someone should tell these guys that there is zero evidence linking terrorism to Iraq. Zero.



There are terror attacks in Iraq though. "ensure a strong national defense and a powerful fight against terror, especially in Iraq." seems to mean fighting the insurgent attacks in Iraq.



Most minds are already made up. And FreedomsWatch won't work as a grassroots website for Bush followers because they are already highly organized. It is entirely unnecessary. MoveOn only exists to counter the right wing machine.



Nail, meet head

graphicsman77

graphicsman77

Pasadena, MD
June 2007

AUG 23, 2007 10:35 AM

despite the fact that I absolutely detest MoveOn.org as a partisan hack machine, I can't see to get myself behind a conservative version of the same thing. Do I think that either side is going to put forward truthful ads? No.

"Read my lips...no new taxes" - Clinton's camp beat George Bush over the head with that one, all the while never mentioning that it was the democrat-controlled Congress that pushed for the tax increases in the first place. That's convenient.

And George Bush used Willy Horton on Dukakis, so I guess what goes around comes around.

Politics is alot like professional wrestling in many ways (and none of them good).
Issues and events are always over-simplified
The truth is always only what's being presented at any given time.
History is a matter of convenience to be ignored or exploited at regular intervals
If you don't mention something, it doesn't exist

This election season is going to thoroughly depress me.

DhD_No_Pants

DhD_No_Pants

Katy, TX
May 2006

AUG 23, 2007 10:38 AM

Calvary? Wait, so someone is giving these fuckers ponies for THEIR birthdays?

Their 'calvary' is likely to be just about as successful in the end as Custer's was.

scorp17yh

scorp17yh

Brookings, OR
November 2004

AUG 23, 2007 10:39 AM

Hey FreedomsWatch check this out.

Hijackers list compiled by FBI
According to the 9/11 Commission Report, 26 al-Qaeda terrorist conspirators sought to enter the United States to carry out a suicide mission. In the end, the FBI reported that there were 19 hijackers in all: five on three of the flights, and four on the fourth. On September 14th, three days after the attacks, the FBI announced the names of 19 persons.[9]


[edit] List of the hijackers
Note: There have been variations in the spelling of the names of the alleged hijackers in differing accounts of the attacks. This is because there is no one correct way of transliterating from the Arabic alphabet to the Latin alphabet. In addition, Arabic customs regarding Arabic names differs from Western customs. In particular, most Arabs do not simply have first/middle/last names, but a full chain of names.[citation needed]
The hijackers aboard American Airlines Flight 11 (which crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center) were reported to be:


Mohamed Atta (Egyptian), believed to have been the pilot
Waleed al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian)
Wail al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian)
Abdulaziz al-Omari (Saudi Arabian)
Satam al-Suqami (Saudi Arabian)

The hijackers aboard United Airlines Flight 175 (which crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center) were reported to be:


Marwan al-Shehhi (from the United Arab Emirates), believed to have been the pilot
Fayez Banihammad (from the United Arab Emirates)
Mohand al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian)
Hamza al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian)
Ahmed al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian)

The hijackers aboard American Airlines Flight 77 (which crashed into the Pentagon) were reported to be:


Hani Hanjour (Saudi Arabian), believed to have flown Flight 77 into the Pentagon
Khalid al-Mihdhar (Saudi Arabian)
Majed Moqed (Saudi Arabian)
Nawaf al-Hazmi (Saudi Arabian)
Salem al-Hazmi (Saudi Arabian)

The hijackers aboard United Airlines Flight 93 (which crashed into a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania) were reported to be:


Ziad Jarrah (Lebanese), believed to have crashed Flight 93 into the Pennsylvania countryside to prevent or end an assault by the passengers.
Ahmed al-Haznawi (Saudi Arabian)
Ahmed al-Nami (Saudi Arabian)
Saeed al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian)

Ahmed al-Ghamdi, Saeed al-Ghamdi, Hamza al-Ghamdi, and Ahmad al-Haznawi came from three neighboring towns and belonged to the same tribe. Wail al-Shehri was Waleed al-Shehri's older brother. Salem al-Hazmi was a younger brother of Nawaf al-Hazmi.


See ANY Iraqi's there numnuts, most of them are SAUDI'S maybe we should attack SAUDI ARABIA were the REAL terroists are

DhD_No_Pants

DhD_No_Pants

Katy, TX
May 2006

AUG 23, 2007 10:50 AM

But we *heart* the Saudis and wish to give them lots of presents!

scorp17yh

scorp17yh

Brookings, OR
November 2004

AUG 23, 2007 10:55 AM

DhD_PillowPants said:
But we *heart* the Saudis and wish to give them lots of presents!




"Oh the humanity"
I have no idea why that came into my head but the absudity of this whoe thing forced me to smile.
Thank you
xxxooo

shapeshifter23

shapeshifter23

San Francisco, CA
September 2005

AUG 23, 2007 11:19 AM


Finally, a right wing version of MoveOn.org is here! And they are focused! Welcome FreedomWatch.org!



Let's hope they are as "successful" as MoveOn has been with its campaigns. MoveOn is good at getting people to send money to raise funds for useless, expensive 'pissing in the wind' TV ad campaigns, but have they given us the tools or the momentum to end war or defeat Bush in two elections?

Gerry_D

Gerry_D

Los Angeles, CA
May 2003

AUG 23, 2007 12:11 PM

we just sold the saudi's 20 billion in weaponry - which, let's face it - they're going to need sooner rather than later -

that ad is more manipulative than Patch Adams by the way.

anc could it have been more misleading? jesus.

LexyLou

LexyLou

Los Angeles, CA
January 2006

AUG 23, 2007 12:13 PM

That could quite possibly be the MOST ignorant ad I have ewver seen in my life. Full of hypocracies and lies and it makes me so fucking angry!

By the By, my boyfriend and I are starting a letter writting campaign, if you are in the Los Angeles area see my blog for more info.

scorp17yh

scorp17yh

Brookings, OR
November 2004

AUG 23, 2007 12:47 PM

Gerry_D said:
we just sold the saudi's 20 billion in weaponry - which, let's face it - they're going to need sooner rather than later -

.



for what to attack the U.S.

AGAIN

punk

punk

Phoenix, AZ
January 2004

AUG 23, 2007 01:27 PM

DhD_PillowPants said:
Calvary? Wait, so someone is giving these fuckers ponies for THEIR birthdays?

Their 'calvary' is likely to be just about as successful in the end as Custer's was.



No, no. Calvary is a obviously a reference to knights on mounted horse back, which is a direct reference to the Crusades, because we are conducting a Crusade in the Middle East. And by the might of God, our warriors will triumph!

With Christ on our side, those dirty Muslims can't win!

nice_pun_bro

nice_pun_bro

Irvine, CA
January 2007

AUG 23, 2007 01:45 PM

Okay, so some of the 9-11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, I don't see how that makes Saudi Arabia responsible for their actions.* Should we have bombed New York after the Oklahoma City bombing because Tim McVeigh was born there?

Of course, I suppose that's missing the real point. At what point does America have the singular right to dismiss the UN Charter and invade other countries unilaterally? How morally corrupt are we as a people that we discuss who would be better to bomb while ignoring the fact that aggression is a heinous violation of international law?

Furthermore, FTR, how are you going to call the War in Iraq "[the President's] very unpopular war"? Maybe I'm delusional, but I was under the assumption that America is at least mildly democratic, thus making all of us culpable for that "very unpopular war."


*I'm not saying the Saudi government isn't abhorrent, I'm saying assigning them responsibility for the actions of people who were from there is baseless.

WADO

WADO

Brooklyn, NY
March 2006

AUG 23, 2007 03:57 PM

Oh for the fucking fuck of fuck. Will somebody hit them with a virus or something already.

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