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It’s Official: Democrats Do Not Have Spinal Columns



It is a sad truth. After years of scientific study, Democrats proved beyond reasonable doubt this weekend that they are invertebrates. The good news for Democrats is that they are not alone, because 97% of all animal species live without spines. The Democrats have now joined the likes of flatworms, sea cucumbers, jellyfish, snails, insects, leeches and squid. They achieved their new status by amending the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by a vote of 60 to 28 in the Senate, and by 227 to 183 in the House. They made the exact changes to FISA that Bush wanted, just like the Republican controlled Congress did for 6 years. Congrats, Dems!

Seems like it was just last November when I thought the Democrats taking over Congress would mean that Bush would not be allowed to trample on the Constitution whenever he said, “Terrorists.” I guess I was wrong. The Protect America Act makes President George W. Bush's illegal wiretapping order retroactively legal, gives enormous power to Alberto Gonzalez and allows warrant-less wiretapping on your phone if you are talking to a foreign fella.


“We are deeply disappointed that the president’s tactics of fear mongering have once again forced Congress into submission,” said Anthony Romero, executive director of the ACLU. “That a Democratically-controlled Senate would be strong-armed by the Bush administration is astonishing. This Congress may prove to be as spineless in standing up to the Bush Administration as the one that enacted the Patriot Act or the Military Commissions Act.”


Over and over, the Democrats make it clear that they have no idea what to do with a majority. They are fucking pathetic. I am not saying every single Democrat is pathetic, just enough to ruin the country. A few, like Russ Feingold, refused to cave in to the Republican scare tactics.


Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wisconsin, angrily chastised his colleagues for bending to the administration's will.

"The day we start deferring to someone who's not a member of this body ... is a sad day for the U.S. Senate," Feingold said. "We make the policy -- not the executive branch."


Well said, Russ. It’s too bad that so many in your party are sans spines. What did the Democrats fear so much? Bush was demanding that the FISA bill be passed before Congress went on vacation, even at one point threatening to not allow Congress to take August off. (He can't actuallly do that, but he was just trying to show how little he understands the Constitution) Bush and his cronies hammered the point home: If Congress leaves without amending the FISA law and a terrorist attack occurs, it will be the Democrats fault.


"Al Qaeda is not going on vacation this month," said Sen. Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. "And we can't either until we know we've done our duty to the American people."


No, al Qaeda is not going to take a vacation. And since al-Qaeda won’t be on vacation, we can all be thankful that we already have a FISA court that handles such situations and we don’t need to give enormous power to one branch of government. I mean, we would have been thankful, if the Democrats were not invertebrates.

These are the names of the Democratic cowards in the Senate who undermined the Constitution because they didn’t want to spend the month of August being called “weak on terrorism:”


Evan Bayh (Indiana); Tom Carper (Delaware); Bob Casey (Pennsylvania); Kent Conrad (North Dakota); Dianne Feinstein (California); Daniel Inouye (Hawaii); Amy Klobuchar (Minnesota); Mary Landrieu (Louisiana); Blanche Lincoln (Arkansas); Claire McCaskill (Missouri); Barbara Mikulski (Maryland); Bill Nelson (Florida); Ben Nelson (Nebraska); Mark Pryor (Arkansas); Ken Salazar (Colorado); Jim Webb (Virginia).


Forty Democratic members of the House voted with the Republicans. Those who did not, were very unhappy.



Because many Democrats went along with Bush’s desires, this is where we now stand: Alberto Gonzalez, the man Democrats believe has subverted the Constitution for Bush, lied to Congress, obstructed justice, and defended torture, has now been given the power to declare who is going to be a target of warrant-less surveillance. Fucking amazing. Democrats rail against the man, hold hearing after hearing, constantly call him unfit to be Attorney General and then give him enormous power. Wonderful consistency.

At what point do the Democrats stop caving in to the Republican threats to call them names and grow some balls? How many times will they roll over and basically shit on their base? The Democrats in Congress are still living in the year 2002 and a lot has happened since then. The main change being that Bush is wildly unpopular and Americans seem to want him to be stopped from doing ANYTHING. Yet, the Democrats roll over like he is a 900 lb. gorilla. Amazing.

Our Constitution was created to keep in check any tyrannical attempt to take over our government. The Founding Fathers foresaw exactly this sort of scenario and created a framework to stop it. It is inevitable that a president would attempt this kind of power grab. In 2006, the Democrats were handed Congress – just as the Founding Fathers envisioned would occur in such a circumstance. But what they did not envision was that the Democrats would be complete cowards and fail to defend the Constitution. I now believe Democrats are now a bigger problem than Bush.

There will always be criminals, police and the courts. Crimes will always be committed and we expect the law to do its part to keep us safe. If suddenly the police and courts stopped prosecuting criminals, who would you be most upset with? It is the job of law enforcement and the courts to stop crime, just as it is the job of Congress to keep the executive branch from breaking the law. Unfortunately, the Democratic Congress is now helping Bush to break the law.

The Democrats are saying it’s not that bad because the FISA law has a 180-day sunset provision, which means in six-months it has to be approved by Congress again to continue. Wow, that’s great. But who is going to be in control of Congress in six-months? Oh, the same chickenshits. Bush will use the same argument and they will cave all over again.

The Democrats have never given us a reason to believe anything different will occur. They only do one thing: They capitulate to the president in order avoid having a vote used against them and being called weak on terrorism. But they are called weak anyway, because they don’t vote as one unified block. Just a few cross over, enough to pass the bill, leaving behind many Democrats who are then called “weak on terrorism.” It is a fantastic lose-lose situation that has been going on since 9/11. Why change it?

I have no doubt that when the Democrats return to their constituents during this break, they will be shocked at the anger over their votes on the FISA law. Then they will start talking tough. “This is the last time,” they will say. How do I know this will happen? The same scenario happened just three months ago with the Iraq war. Democrats caved in to Bush, then were surprised at the anger when they returned home on their spring vacation. When they returned to Congress, they were all piss and vinegar and ready for a fight. It resulted in the Democrats forcing the Republicans to filibuster. Oh, you tough bastards! It was meaningless gesture because the Democrats know they can stop the war tomorrow, by simply telling Bush there will be no more funding for the war. The money runs out in March, end of story. Such an action requires no vote. Republicans would be helpless. The Democrats will not take this action, however, because they are pussies.

The argument is that if the Democrats stop funding the war, then they will lose the presidential election. So, how does that go? Majority of Americans want war stopped. Democrats use their power to stop war. Americans don’t vote for Democrats. Can’t beat that logic. By not stopping the war, Democrats are making one point very clear: Their hold on power is far more important than saving American lives in a futile war, just as their hold on power is more important than protecting the Constitution.

The Republicans have no problem standing up for what they believe in. Last month, the Republicans filibustered a Democratic vote on the Iraq war. That is exactly what the Democrats did not do to stop Samuel Alito from landing his ass on the Supreme Court when they were in the minority. Why did they not do it? Because they were afraid of being labeled obstructionists. If they had courage, they would have stood up and said, “Yes, we are being obstructionists because we are fighting for what we believe in. That is why we were elected.” But they don’t. And they won’t. Because the Democrats have no spinal columns, much like earthworms.

 

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MrKingMob

MrKingMob

Chicago, IL
January 2003

AUG 06, 2007 08:14 PM

Krass_of_nod said:

MrKingMob said:

Krass_of_nod said:


actually smile you hit the nail right on the head.

I wish I could paraphrase as well as you do, but yes this is exactly what I was trying to say. if i am going to take part in a shitty government at least an honest shitty government would be (IN MY OPINION) better than a dishonest shitty government.



Fair enough. Let's prop up a candidate for the newly formed "Just as Shitty as the Other Guys, but Honest" Party. I think their animal party symbol should be ALF in s shoulder-shrugging pose.



OMG I almost pissed myself, this is pure genius i love it!

But who should we prop up for the running?



I think I have the perfect candidate...




I'll have my people contact his people.

wereduck

wereduck

I'm lost
July 2007

AUG 06, 2007 08:37 PM

Krass_of_nod said:

shapeshifter23 said:

There's something evidently very unique and, in my opinion, very sinister about the US that prevents these impulses that thrive in other similar nations. What is it?

This is a bit of a sidenote, but anyone with any insight on this, please run it by me. Hopefully I haven't heard your particular take on it yet and it'll all of the sudden make perfect and rational sense to me.



That's a very interesting question, which I've addressed before... some of the answers to that take us down the rabbit hole so to speak, but author Barbara Marciniak has written perceptively about this circumstance. It is indeed 'very sinister'...

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
"The ultimate tyranny in a society is not control by martial law. It is control by the psychological manipulation of consciousness, through which reality is defined so that those who exist within it do not even realize that they are in prison. They do not even realize that there is something outside of where they exist...

"You have been controlled like sheep in a pen by those who THINK they own you - from the government to the World Management Team to those in space. You have been deprived of knowledge by frequency control...

"You believe that you live in the land of the free and the home of the brave, yet you live in the most controlled experimental society on the planet. The tyranny that has been set up here is rather interesting, because it is a tyranny without walls. As a country and as a collective consciousness, the United States [as a whole, i.e., a critical mass consensus of informed citizens] still has not reached an awareness that something is not right. The environment of the United States is actually much more controlled than that of the former Soviet Union, where the control was obvious [cf. Chomsky, Manufacturing Consent].

"Because everyone is so frightened of giving up THE SYSTEM in the United States, they are going to be FORCED to give it up. The system is corrupt, it does not work, it does not honor life, and it does not honor Earth. That is the bottom line. IF SOMETHING DOES NOT HONOR LIFE AND DOES NOT HONOR EARTH, IT IS GOING TO FALL - and it is going to fall BIG TIME.

"CONSCIOUSNESS MUST CHANGE... There has been an overinvolvement in the material world and a complete lack of understanding of the nonphysical world that exists all around you, so there will be a reprioritizing of what comes first in life. PEOPLE WILL STAND UP, ONCE THEY HAVE LOST EVERYTHING, who had never thought of standing up when they owned everything. PEOPLE WILL AWAKEN TO THE INCREDIBLE POTENTIAL OF THEMSELVES.

"In the next few years, a connectedness and communal cooperation will begin to run through this country so that you will stop separating yourselves with respect to political ideology. That separation was DESIGNED. Whenever a people are separated, and they focus on what they do not have in common or label themselves different from others, it is a perfect disguise to keep them from discovering what they do have in common. This separation keeps people from banding together and becoming very strong...

"You are controlled and separated by issues that strike at the core of your emotions... The 'pro-life'/abortion issue has been PURPOSELY ORCHESTRATED in the United States by different factions within the government to create a lack of harmony. Divide and conquer, and you own the people... Whenever people oppose people, THOSE IN CONTROL benefit, even down to the issue over abortion...

"Always look at an issue from the perspective of the Bigger Picture so that you have neutrality with it, for the picture gets bigger and bigger all the time.

"The planet is headed for a major confrontation with 'certain entities'... FEAR AND CHAOS have predominated on this planet because these 'entities' have stirred them up; [fear and chaos are] what nourishes them... 'We' are simply pointing this out; 'we' are not here to promote fear. Fear is what [those in control] want you to feel. 'We' want you to understand that YOU CAN CHANGE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO CHANGE. This is going to be a game of numbers in the future, because you will work together to bring yourselves to a place of EMPOWERMENT.

"You will see a lot of ANGER in this country, because many people will feel POWERLESS. Anger is one of the first emotions that will occur when people finally understand the MANIPULATION that has been going on and begin to get in touch with their feelings.

"Modern technology is one of the biggest weapons of frequency control. You have been sold devices for 'entertainment' [read: CON-tain-ment] and 'convenience,' and they are all involved with frequency control... GET RID OF YOUR TELEVISION SETS. They are the primary tool used to manipulate your consciousness on a day-to-day basis...

"As a matter of fact, if you really want to evolve, do not read your newspapers, do not listen to the radio, and do not watch television. If you are able to be MEDIA-FREE for periods of time, and you disengage yourself from the frequency of chaos and anxiety and stress and hustle-bustle and temptations of all kinds that you don't need, you begin to get clear. You begin to listen to what is going on inside of yourself and to live in the world and not necessarily be lost in it. YOU BECOME CLEAR..."

- Barbara Marciniak, BRINGERS OF THE DAWN, Bear & Co, 1992 (pp.87-96)



BINGO!

Amen man amen

this is so right on the money I could kiss you....erm not that i will. You get my point, and people like patricky and kungfoo WHO ARE TRAPPED IN THIS VERY THING will constantly outcry against and belittle those those who know the truth and accept it!



While I agree with your points, your overall message has a certain air of...well, 'falseness' is too strong a word, but I guess it works.

And that quote from Ms. Marciniak is, again pretty on the money at points, but overall has this 'falseness' to it.

You say that 'the system' is this undying entity of media, money, and lies that we cannot get out of, but let's look at history:
-the printing press, the first form of modern media, made possible, for the first time ever, for millions to read books, such as the Bible. Given this newfound ability, people were able to understand for themselves what was being taught to them, and then see the contradictions in the Church. This allowed for people to question, dissent, rebel, and break away. The printing press' invention led to scientists being able to publish their material, and distribute it far and wide, leading to even further challenges to various authorities. Now, the Catholic Church is only a shadow of its former self.
-cameras, and the later videocamera, allowed people to see events objectively. Any image that made it to the public could influence the right person in the right way, such as the gruesome images of the Vietnam War, which inspired the largest youth movement in history.
-the computer, and the Internet, allowing for personal communication on an previously unheard-of scale, and also allowing information to get around that would otherwise have never been seen or heard. Police brutality caught on camera phones and posted on YouTube, leading to public outcry.

Sure, 'the system' bounces back from these defeats, and eventually even uses the weapons to its advantage. But, every time, it loses something. Its strength is gone. It used to be that nothing from a government was challenged, now everything from a government can (and often is) challenged in some ways.

Krass, you kind of fall into the trap of cynicism, railing about a system from inside it, declaring everything to be a fruitless endeavor, because all you see are the people in charge. You don't look back and see that they are dying out, and all it takes is for people to give a flying crap, regardless of how little money they have, or how far 'down the rabbit hole' they are.

Of course, what do I know? I'm stuck here, like the rest of us.

Krass_of_nod

Krass_of_nod

Bend, OR
April 2005

AUG 06, 2007 09:08 PM

MrKingMob said:

Krass_of_nod said:

MrKingMob said:

Krass_of_nod said:


actually smile you hit the nail right on the head.

I wish I could paraphrase as well as you do, but yes this is exactly what I was trying to say. if i am going to take part in a shitty government at least an honest shitty government would be (IN MY OPINION) better than a dishonest shitty government.



Fair enough. Let's prop up a candidate for the newly formed "Just as Shitty as the Other Guys, but Honest" Party. I think their animal party symbol should be ALF in s shoulder-shrugging pose.



OMG I almost pissed myself, this is pure genius i love it!

But who should we prop up for the running?



I think I have the perfect candidate...




I'll have my people contact his people.



Perfect smile

shapeshifter23

shapeshifter23

San Francisco, CA
September 2005

AUG 06, 2007 09:10 PM

we3 pirate...

Your observations about the liberating potential of technology are well taken... and I do think Marciniak goes a bit off the deep end in her denunciation of electronic technology... or, she fails to recognize the distinction between mainstream corporate-controlled media and independent outlets for dissenting expression. Every technological advance in communication has the potential for advancing human consciousness as well as for enslaving it. As long as the ruling elite can keep the majority sheepmass of the populace cowed and conditioned to bow down to the status quo, and the minority who seek to reveal and express truth are kept disunited and disadvantaged (in the system where those who control the most money control the society at large), these technologies are permitted and encouraged even, insofar as they promote the idea that we live in a free society where we are free to express dissent.

It is one thing to 'challenge' our government with words and images in a free media, and it is quite another to challenge the elite in a concerted demonstration of effective action (I'm thinking here of something on the lines of a nationwide general strike or sustained economic boycott of consumer goods and services, as opposed to the commonly accepted forms of dissent, e.g. blogging, electoral politics, peace marches and those things that have lately proved to be relatively ineffectual)...

Krass_of_nod

Krass_of_nod

Bend, OR
April 2005

AUG 06, 2007 09:38 PM

we3_pirate said:

Krass_of_nod said:

shapeshifter23 said:

There's something evidently very unique and, in my opinion, very sinister about the US that prevents these impulses that thrive in other similar nations. What is it?

This is a bit of a sidenote, but anyone with any insight on this, please run it by me. Hopefully I haven't heard your particular take on it yet and it'll all of the sudden make perfect and rational sense to me.



That's a very interesting question, which I've addressed before... some of the answers to that take us down the rabbit hole so to speak, but author Barbara Marciniak has written perceptively about this circumstance. It is indeed 'very sinister'...

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
"The ultimate tyranny in a society is not control by martial law. It is control by the psychological manipulation of consciousness, through which reality is defined so that those who exist within it do not even realize that they are in prison. They do not even realize that there is something outside of where they exist...

"You have been controlled like sheep in a pen by those who THINK they own you - from the government to the World Management Team to those in space. You have been deprived of knowledge by frequency control...

"You believe that you live in the land of the free and the home of the brave, yet you live in the most controlled experimental society on the planet. The tyranny that has been set up here is rather interesting, because it is a tyranny without walls. As a country and as a collective consciousness, the United States [as a whole, i.e., a critical mass consensus of informed citizens] still has not reached an awareness that something is not right. The environment of the United States is actually much more controlled than that of the former Soviet Union, where the control was obvious [cf. Chomsky, Manufacturing Consent].

"Because everyone is so frightened of giving up THE SYSTEM in the United States, they are going to be FORCED to give it up. The system is corrupt, it does not work, it does not honor life, and it does not honor Earth. That is the bottom line. IF SOMETHING DOES NOT HONOR LIFE AND DOES NOT HONOR EARTH, IT IS GOING TO FALL - and it is going to fall BIG TIME.

"CONSCIOUSNESS MUST CHANGE... There has been an overinvolvement in the material world and a complete lack of understanding of the nonphysical world that exists all around you, so there will be a reprioritizing of what comes first in life. PEOPLE WILL STAND UP, ONCE THEY HAVE LOST EVERYTHING, who had never thought of standing up when they owned everything. PEOPLE WILL AWAKEN TO THE INCREDIBLE POTENTIAL OF THEMSELVES.

"In the next few years, a connectedness and communal cooperation will begin to run through this country so that you will stop separating yourselves with respect to political ideology. That separation was DESIGNED. Whenever a people are separated, and they focus on what they do not have in common or label themselves different from others, it is a perfect disguise to keep them from discovering what they do have in common. This separation keeps people from banding together and becoming very strong...

"You are controlled and separated by issues that strike at the core of your emotions... The 'pro-life'/abortion issue has been PURPOSELY ORCHESTRATED in the United States by different factions within the government to create a lack of harmony. Divide and conquer, and you own the people... Whenever people oppose people, THOSE IN CONTROL benefit, even down to the issue over abortion...

"Always look at an issue from the perspective of the Bigger Picture so that you have neutrality with it, for the picture gets bigger and bigger all the time.

"The planet is headed for a major confrontation with 'certain entities'... FEAR AND CHAOS have predominated on this planet because these 'entities' have stirred them up; [fear and chaos are] what nourishes them... 'We' are simply pointing this out; 'we' are not here to promote fear. Fear is what [those in control] want you to feel. 'We' want you to understand that YOU CAN CHANGE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO CHANGE. This is going to be a game of numbers in the future, because you will work together to bring yourselves to a place of EMPOWERMENT.

"You will see a lot of ANGER in this country, because many people will feel POWERLESS. Anger is one of the first emotions that will occur when people finally understand the MANIPULATION that has been going on and begin to get in touch with their feelings.

"Modern technology is one of the biggest weapons of frequency control. You have been sold devices for 'entertainment' [read: CON-tain-ment] and 'convenience,' and they are all involved with frequency control... GET RID OF YOUR TELEVISION SETS. They are the primary tool used to manipulate your consciousness on a day-to-day basis...

"As a matter of fact, if you really want to evolve, do not read your newspapers, do not listen to the radio, and do not watch television. If you are able to be MEDIA-FREE for periods of time, and you disengage yourself from the frequency of chaos and anxiety and stress and hustle-bustle and temptations of all kinds that you don't need, you begin to get clear. You begin to listen to what is going on inside of yourself and to live in the world and not necessarily be lost in it. YOU BECOME CLEAR..."

- Barbara Marciniak, BRINGERS OF THE DAWN, Bear & Co, 1992 (pp.87-96)



BINGO!

Amen man amen

this is so right on the money I could kiss you....erm not that i will. You get my point, and people like patricky and kungfoo WHO ARE TRAPPED IN THIS VERY THING will constantly outcry against and belittle those those who know the truth and accept it!



While I agree with your points, your overall message has a certain air of...well, 'falseness' is too strong a word, but I guess it works.

And that quote from Ms. Marciniak is, again pretty on the money at points, but overall has this 'falseness' to it.

You say that 'the system' is this undying entity of media, money, and lies that we cannot get out of, but let's look at history:
-the printing press, the first form of modern media, made possible, for the first time ever, for millions to read books, such as the Bible. Given this newfound ability, people were able to understand for themselves what was being taught to them, and then see the contradictions in the Church. This allowed for people to question, dissent, rebel, and break away. The printing press' invention led to scientists being able to publish their material, and distribute it far and wide, leading to even further challenges to various authorities. Now, the Catholic Church is only a shadow of its former self.
-cameras, and the later videocamera, allowed people to see events objectively. Any image that made it to the public could influence the right person in the right way, such as the gruesome images of the Vietnam War, which inspired the largest youth movement in history.
-the computer, and the Internet, allowing for personal communication on an previously unheard-of scale, and also allowing information to get around that would otherwise have never been seen or heard. Police brutality caught on camera phones and posted on YouTube, leading to public outcry.

Sure, 'the system' bounces back from these defeats, and eventually even uses the weapons to its advantage. But, every time, it loses something. Its strength is gone. It used to be that nothing from a government was challenged, now everything from a government can (and often is) challenged in some ways.

Krass, you kind of fall into the trap of cynicism, railing about a system from inside it, declaring everything to be a fruitless endeavor, because all you see are the people in charge. You don't look back and see that they are dying out, and all it takes is for people to give a flying crap, regardless of how little money they have, or how far 'down the rabbit hole' they are.

Of course, what do I know? I'm stuck here, like the rest of us.



falseness....do I have to get out the beat down stick of references to show that i am not telling a "crock of shit"
nothing I said is lies or false, not any of it, it is all researchable fact. Ithe only thing that is even debatable about what I put here is my own opinion....

I never said "do nothing its the right thing to do because who cares anyway"....

to the contrary I think doing something would be great, but as soon as you do, your head is gonna roll, just like all the people before you. You honestly think they will not kill you or lock you away and parade you through the media as a terrorist or a sympathizer for their enemy. think again

the people may be getting older, but the money isn't, and it still is in force, so until someone does something about the money, nothing will change.
and aside from that, I would like you tell that to my friends who are dealing with the fact they have broken families now.

99% of the american money is controlled by 15 corporations, the rest of us have the the other 1%...is that a lie NO its also RESEARCHABLE fact.

those people of the armed forces the live and dead ones did not sign on to fight for corporate lies and political bullshit. They deserve a lot better than what they got.

am i being cynical, maybe just a little but I think I am also being a bit realistic...well aside from my 4 step plan, thats just a fantasy.....

point is the government controls you whether you like it or not, and if you really want to go looking for falseness, look no further than the annals of American history, this country was bought and paid for a long time ago, and don't think anything has changed now,

when the entire regime is taken apart and replaced with people who actually have a desire to see good things come about without capitalistic gains in mind, only then will things be better.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

AUG 06, 2007 09:44 PM

You guys should mass hunger strike. That'll show 'em.

Krass_of_nod

Krass_of_nod

Bend, OR
April 2005

AUG 06, 2007 09:47 PM

shapeshifter23 said:
we3 pirate...

Your observations about the liberating potential of technology are well taken... and I do think Marciniak goes a bit off the deep end in her denunciation of electronic technology... or, she fails to recognize the distinction between mainstream corporate-controlled media and independent outlets for dissenting expression. Every technological advance in communication has the potential for advancing human consciousness as well as for enslaving it. As long as the ruling elite can keep the majority sheepmass of the populace cowed and conditioned to bow down to the status quo, and the minority who seek to reveal and express truth are kept disunited and disadvantaged (in the system where those who control the most money control the society at large), these technologies are permitted and encouraged even, insofar as they promote the idea that we live in a free society where we are free to express dissent.

It is one thing to 'challenge' our government with words and images in a free media, and it is quite another to challenge the elite in a concerted demonstration of effective action (I'm thinking here of something on the lines of a nationwide general strike or sustained economic boycott of consumer goods and services, as opposed to the commonly accepted forms of dissent, e.g. blogging, electoral politics, peace marches and those things that have lately proved to be relatively ineffectual)...



I am really starting to like this person smile

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

AUG 06, 2007 09:48 PM

Krass_of_nod said:

falseness....do I have to get out the beat down stick of references to show that i am not telling a "crock of shit"
nothing I said is lies or false, not any of it, it is all researchable fact. Ithe only thing that is even debatable about what I put here is my own opinion....



Krass_of_nodI mean think about it Clinton gets kicked out for lieing about smoking pot,




kicked out of where for lying ?

somebody should research that.

Krass_of_nod

Krass_of_nod

Bend, OR
April 2005

AUG 06, 2007 09:59 PM

chainlink said:

Krass_of_nod said:

falseness....do I have to get out the beat down stick of references to show that i am not telling a "crock of shit"
nothing I said is lies or false, not any of it, it is all researchable fact. Ithe only thing that is even debatable about what I put here is my own opinion....



Krass_of_nodI mean think about it Clinton gets kicked out for lieing about smoking pot,




kicked out of where for lying ?

somebody should research that.



kicked out of office as in he was impeached...

are you new? that happened like a few years ago...

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

AUG 06, 2007 10:04 PM

Krass_of_nod said:

chainlink said:

Krass_of_nod said:

falseness....do I have to get out the beat down stick of references to show that i am not telling a "crock of shit"
nothing I said is lies or false, not any of it, it is all researchable fact. Ithe only thing that is even debatable about what I put here is my own opinion....



Krass_of_nodI mean think about it Clinton gets kicked out for lieing about smoking pot,




kicked out of where for lying ?

somebody should research that.



kicked out of office as in he was impeached...

are you new? that happened like a few years ago...



Yeah, I'm new.
Why don't you tell me about how Bill Clinton was kicked out of office for lying about smoking pot.

Pleeease.

PatrickY

PatrickY

Vancouver, WA
December 2003

AUG 06, 2007 10:05 PM

Krass_of_nod said:

chainlink said:

Krass_of_nod said:

falseness....do I have to get out the beat down stick of references to show that i am not telling a "crock of shit"
nothing I said is lies or false, not any of it, it is all researchable fact. Ithe only thing that is even debatable about what I put here is my own opinion....



Krass_of_nodI mean think about it Clinton gets kicked out for lieing about smoking pot,




kicked out of where for lying ?

somebody should research that.



kicked out of office as in he was impeached...

are you new? that happened like a few years ago...



What? He wasn't kicked out of office at all.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

AUG 06, 2007 10:06 PM

Krass_of_nod said:

falseness....do I have to get out the beat down stick of references to show that i am not telling a "crock of shit"
nothing I said is lies or false, not any of it, it is all researchable fact. Ithe only thing that is even debatable about what I put here is my own opinion....



Krass_of_nodin 2000 bush won the election, but why? Al gore had 300k more votes.



Oh! Also btw,
Gore had 453,895 more votes than Bush. What you said is incorrect.

I mean false.

I mean not a fact.

I mean crock of shit. wink

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

AUG 06, 2007 10:11 PM

Krass_of_nod said:

chainlink said:

Krass_of_nod said:

falseness....do I have to get out the beat down stick of references to show that i am not telling a "crock of shit"
nothing I said is lies or false, not any of it, it is all researchable fact. Ithe only thing that is even debatable about what I put here is my own opinion....



Krass_of_nodI mean think about it Clinton gets kicked out for lieing about smoking pot,




kicked out of where for lying ?

somebody should research that.



kicked out of office as in he was impeached...

are you new? that happened like a few years ago...



I think you're the one that's new. Clinton was impeached but never convicted or removed from office. Also, he was impeached because he lied under oath about having sex with Monica Lewinsky, not smoking pot.

You've just proved your (lack of) creditability and knowledge.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

AUG 06, 2007 10:15 PM

*yawn*

Well that was fun.

Where do they keep crawling out from ?

Tigerwong

Tigerwong

Baltimore, MD
February 2005

AUG 06, 2007 10:15 PM

chainlink said:

Krass_of_nod said:

falseness....do I have to get out the beat down stick of references to show that i am not telling a "crock of shit"
nothing I said is lies or false, not any of it, it is all researchable fact. Ithe only thing that is even debatable about what I put here is my own opinion....



Krass_of_nodin 2000 bush won the election, but why? Al gore had 300k more votes.



Oh! Also btw,
Gore had 453,895 more votes than Bush. What you said is incorrect.

I mean false.

I mean not a fact.

I mean crock of shit. wink



Damn, i was going to say something semi-witty, but KUNGFOO already laid out the fact smackdown.

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