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Putin Takes A Dive Into Lake Hitler

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Tags: Putin, The Nashi, Russia, Esstonia, Hitler, Brown Shirts, Fascism



Here’s a delightful image. What if the United States had 120,000 male teenage Ann Coulters running around? Sounds like the ultimate nightmare, doesn’t it? That is what seems to be happening in Russia. They are known as “Nashi” and they speak the same extremist language as Coulter. They fanatically support Putin, call the political opposition traitors and fascists and demonize foreign powers. The only difference between Coulter and the Nashi, is that the Nashi have no problem with using physical force to make their point.

The Nashi aren’t the only group. There are also the “Young Guard” and “Walking Together.” The one thing these groups have in common is their fanatical devotion to Putin, much like the Sturmabteilung’s fanatical devotion to Hitler.

They are highly disciplined and sponsored by the Kremlin. They must receive basic military training before they can become members. The Nashi also have a volunteer “police force,” who patrol and “if necessary beat hooligans." These young militants form what is essentially a private army, devoted to one man: Putin.

Meanwhile, Putin is stoking the fires of anti-Americanism. At a recent military parade, Putin made comments about “new threats” to the world “as during the time of the Third Reich.” Pretty much the same kind of talk Adolph was spewing out during his rise to power. And the crowd at the Independence Day parade soaked it up. Mostly because the only people allowed into Red Square that day were members of the youth groups. The kids are catching on to Putin’s message.

"It is time to put an end to America being the strongest and most influential empire. We won't let America make Russia another one of its colonies."


Super and totally not creepy.

The Nashi claim they are fighting against fascism. (Exactly the same claim made in the early days of the Nazi party and by Benito Mussolini’s Blackshirts.) Unfortunately, fascists seem to only be defined as people who criticize Putin.

Meanwhile, the kids are doing some really quality work in Russia.

With parliamentary and presidential elections coming up, Nashi and its sibling movements have an obvious target—anyone who presumes to challenge Putin and his ruling clique for power. Who might they be? Nashi recently issued a leaflet identifying them. This "Gallery of Traitors," appearing in print and online, featured twisted portraits of such opposition leaders as former Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov and radical writer Eduard Limonov. They were declared enemies of the people, scheming to subvert their nation and turn it over to foreign spies and conspirators. Among them, too, are exiled Yeltsin-era oligarch Boris Berezovsky and Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the former billionaire brought down after he began funding opposition to Putin in 2004.


And the Young Guards are doing their thing. They have staged training sessions in how to handle an “Orange Revolution.” At the end of one training session, the Young Guards grabbed baseball bats and smashed up a mock Orange tent camp. That might discourage any future protestors a bit.

The Nashi are also using technology in ways the Nazis could have only dreamed of. They pass out brochures and SIM cards in Moscow. The SIM cards allow users to text the Kremlin, where Nashi volunteers are waiting to receive the word of whatever horrible event is occurring on the streets and respond. If any Orange revolution activity is seen, the Nashi will send out texts to their foot soldiers to respond. (Might be a really great use for the new iphones, by the way)

The Nashi are also taking their message to outlying village schools, to teach the young minds about the truth.

"Putin is a lonely wolf surrounded by rats," says Panchenko to the schoolchildren. "Russia has become too corrupt—it is time to change things, time for stronger leaders, like us."


You can’t really argue with that description of Putin. Poor, little, lonely wolf. It’s really quite scary if you think about all the rats. The Kremlin has given $220 million to help fund these little fascists. And they get some sweet perks.

Members enjoy free admission to various schools of management, where they study government, business administration or public relations. They go on to allocated internships in top state enterprises such as Gazprom, Rosneft, state-owned television stations and even the Kremlin.


The Nashi are now paying off in spades. In May, Estonia removed a statue of a WWII Soviet soldier in Tallin. The small country suddenly found itself overwhelmed by a cyber attack. Servers went down and NATO Internet security experts were brought in to combat the assault. Russian sponsored protests in Estonia left 1 dead and 99 injured. In Moscow, Estonia’s ambassador was attacked by the Nashi and were only stopped when the ambassador’s bodyguards sprayed them with mace. The ambassador and his staff were forced to flee the country. Nashi barriers shut down the highway from Moscow to Estonia. They created a large sign that read, “You are driving toward fascist Estonia.” This all happened because Estonia took down a statue. What if the small country had actually really done something negative toward Moscow. What would the reaction been then?

The world is, understandably, a little freaked out.

"Everyone is frankly scared of the way which Russia is going, but no one knows what to do about it," says one European diplomat in Moscow, not authorized to speak on the record.


Well, what can you do? This shit is off and running. It’s 1933 Germany all over again.

And you thought Bush was bad news….

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larose404

larose404

Columbia, SC
January 2004

JUL 08, 2007 01:55 PM

Fear the Reaper said:


"What if the United States had 120,000 thousand male teenage Ann Coulters running around? Sounds like the ultimate nightmare, doesn't it?"



umm... two things:

1) One hundred and twenty thousand... thousand? As in 120 million?

2) Also 120,000 thousand MALE teenage Ann Coulter? Only males?


Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

JUL 08, 2007 01:56 PM

herbancowboy said:

Vestril said:
please feel free to continue to pedantize.



By "short and snarky" you mean reductive and dualistic, right?



Wow, reductive pretty well describes your arguments thus far, including this post which is essentially a troll. I guess I should be flattered that I touched a nerve.

Still though, I feel like this warrants a response. You accuse me of being reductive and dualistic, so let's examine that ironically narrow perspective. The initial quote states that the United States should no longer be the most powerful or influential nation--power and influence are created largely from economy. For that goal to be met, America's economic power base has to be reduced (technically it has to be reduced relative to other nations in the world, it doesn't necessarily have to literally shrink). If we assume that Canada's economy is strongly tied to America's, which might actually be totally wrong, then a reduction of America's economy could hurt Canada's. Cheerleading that, as you termed it, seems shortsighted. If I wrote "damn yous for saying america cant be a bully anymore witch will case it to ASPLODE" somewhere, feel free to quote it.

As near as I can tell you read my post, you wanted to take a stand on people who think in black and white terms, and then you tried to tack the two things together. Believe it or not it's possible to write a simple response without being a simplistic person--the world and the people in it are considerably more complicated than you seem to think. *pat*

Charybdus

Charybdus

Lafayette, LA
July 2006

JUL 08, 2007 02:05 PM

Darke said:

aldoushuxley said:
It's about time for another world war to happen, honestly though I think the US has its plate full as it is. I think the US should let NATO take care of this one by itself, then see how much those fucks need us when their bogged down in war and squealing like the pigs they are.



You ever hear "If war is the answer, it was a stupid question?"

Honestly, war is the utter nadir of human thought. I'd like to simply think that since you're a young soldier, that you've been trained to blow things up and so blowing things up looks like a good solution to you a lot of the time. But I know a LOT of good soldiers who know a lot more about blowing shit up than you do, and not ONE of them wants to blow shit up . They do it when they're told to, but they're not really happy about it, because they know that somewhere along the line, someone they're blowing up has people that will mourn their journey to the land of Smithereens. I do hope along the line of your service, you learn the difference between duty and sociopathic enthusiasm.



And when did you risk life and limb for the right to be an nimrod like yourself? What was that, "never?" You KNOW a lot of soldiers? Good for ya, bro! Why don't you try putting YOUR balls on the line rather than invoking your ficticous friends. THERE ARE THINGS WORTH FIGHTING FOR -- YOU LIVE IN A FREE SOCIETY BECAUSE MEN AND WOMEN RISKED THEIR LIVES MAKING IT SO. 'NUFF SAID.

Mthrsuperior

Mthrsuperior

Victoria, BC
November 2002

JUL 08, 2007 02:06 PM

Vestril said:
The initial quote states that the United States should no longer be the most powerful or influential nation--



There's that reductionist thing again.

This is what the quote said:
"It is time to put an end to America being the strongest and most influential empire. We won't let America make Russia another one of its colonies."

The use of the word empire rather than nation is significant.
So is the entire second sentence.

And please don't equate my concern regarding the behavior of one nation with patriotism for another.

Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

JUL 08, 2007 02:06 PM

Charybdus said:

Darke said:

aldoushuxley said:
It's about time for another world war to happen, honestly though I think the US has its plate full as it is. I think the US should let NATO take care of this one by itself, then see how much those fucks need us when their bogged down in war and squealing like the pigs they are.



You ever hear "If war is the answer, it was a stupid question?"

Honestly, war is the utter nadir of human thought. I'd like to simply think that since you're a young soldier, that you've been trained to blow things up and so blowing things up looks like a good solution to you a lot of the time. But I know a LOT of good soldiers who know a lot more about blowing shit up than you do, and not ONE of them wants to blow shit up . They do it when they're told to, but they're not really happy about it, because they know that somewhere along the line, someone they're blowing up has people that will mourn their journey to the land of Smithereens. I do hope along the line of your service, you learn the difference between duty and sociopathic enthusiasm.



And when did you risk life and limb for the right to be an nimrod like yourself? What was that, "never?" You KNOW a lot of soldiers? Good for ya, bro! Why don't you try putting YOUR balls on the line rather than invoking your ficticous friends. THERE ARE THINGS WORTH FIGHTING FOR -- YOU LIVE IN A FREE SOCIETY BECAUSE MEN AND WOMEN RISKED THEIR LIVES MAKING IT SO. 'NUFF SAID.



What the deuce?

Mthrsuperior said:

Vestril said:
The initial quote states that the United States should no longer be the most powerful or influential nation--



There's that reductionist thing again.

This is what the quote said:
"It is time to put an end to America being the strongest and most influential empire. We won't let America make Russia another one of its colonies."

The use of the word empire rather than nation is significant.
So is the entire second sentence.

And please don't equate my concern regarding the behavior of one nation with patriotism for another.



First off, bite me--I didn't equate anything with patriotism, I said it seemed--seemed shortsighted. That has nothing to do with a sense of the patriotic. As far as the differences between empires and nations, I agree that there are significant differences and I happily grant that the United States meets the qualifications of Imperialism, but if you can explain to me how the difference in words materially affects what I had to say--go for it.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 08, 2007 02:11 PM

Charybdus said: bla bla bla . .. . 'NUFF SAID.



More than enough, really.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JUL 08, 2007 02:13 PM

skeptik said:
Yeah, I'm still stuck on that whole "I've read many times here about how Bush = Hitler," bit. Now, I know I've seen plenty of "certain Neo-Con techniques resemble early Nazi techniques," but I don't think I've ever seen anyone here seriously equate Bush and Hitler.
surreal



No, but he heard it somewhere from LIBERALS! So, now, according to right wing am radio rules, he can apply it to all liberals.

herbancowboy

herbancowboy

Houston, TX
June 2004

JUL 08, 2007 02:13 PM

Vestril said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

herbancowboy said:

Vestril said:
please feel free to continue to pedantize.



By "short and snarky" you mean reductive and dualistic, right?



Wow, reductive pretty well describes your arguments thus far, including this post which is essentially a troll. I guess I should be flattered that I touched a nerve.

Still though, I feel like this warrants a response. You accuse me of being reductive and dualistic, so let's examine that ironically narrow perspective. The initial quote states that the United States should no longer be the most powerful or influential nation--power and influence are created largely from economy. For that goal to be met, America's economic power base has to be reduced (technically it has to be reduced relative to other nations in the world, it doesn't necessarily have to literally shrink). If we assume that Canada's economy is strongly tied to America's, which might actually be totally wrong, then a reduction of America's economy could hurt Canada's. Cheerleading that, as you termed it, seems shortsighted. If I wrote "damn yous for saying america cant be a bully anymore witch will case it to ASPLODE" somewhere, feel free to quote it.

As near as I can tell you read my post, you wanted to take a stand on people who think in black and white terms, and then you tried to tack the two things together. Believe it or not it's possible to write a simple response without being a simplistic person--

the world and the people in it are considerably more complicated than you seem to think. *pat*



Pat? Who is Pat? My name's not Pat. For "short and snarky," and funny, even, see Darke's comment.

Vestril said:The initial quote states that the United States should no longer be the most powerful or influential nation--power and influence are created largely from economy. For that goal to be met, America's economic power base has to be reduced (technically it has to be reduced relative to other nations in the world, it doesn't necessarily have to literally shrink). If we assume that Canada's economy is strongly tied to America's, which might actually be totally wrong, then a reduction of America's economy could hurt Canada's.



How does Switzerland manage to be so economically powerful without being hegemonic? You don't think that the US could maintain its economy without pushing other countries around?

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JUL 08, 2007 02:16 PM

Who let all the trolls out? Did montestruc summon his posse?

Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

JUL 08, 2007 02:22 PM

herbancowboy said:

Vestril said:The initial quote states that the United States should no longer be the most powerful or influential nation--power and influence are created largely from economy. For that goal to be met, America's economic power base has to be reduced (technically it has to be reduced relative to other nations in the world, it doesn't necessarily have to literally shrink). If we assume that Canada's economy is strongly tied to America's, which might actually be totally wrong, then a reduction of America's economy could hurt Canada's.



How does Switzerland manage to be so economically powerful without being hegemonic? You don't think that the US could maintain its economy without pushing other countries around?



Oh I see, you want to argue with someone. Well hey, if you decide to stop inventing opinions for me, we can have a discussion sometime.

ron

ron

United Kingdom
February 2003

JUL 08, 2007 02:24 PM

The parallels with Mussolini's rise to power are there - recently Putin has used these youth groups to assault foreign diplomats and harass Russian guests attending parties in foreign embassies. And of course the Russian intelligence service recently assassinated a London-based critic of Putin's with Russian-produced polonium 210.

In both cases, it is an open secret that the State was behind the operation, because it's important that people are intimidated. That's why, before he assumed dictatorial powers, Mussolini 'took responsibility' when the Blackshirts murdered a hostile newspaper proprieter - it was important that Italians knew that he could bump them off, and that he was not afraid of being brought to justice. The recent warnings to Estonians over their treatment of the Russian ethnic minority also has an echo of the way in which Hitler was forced to intervene in Poland over the persecution of the German ethnic minority.

Thank God Putin is our ally in the War against Terror ...

Mthrsuperior

Mthrsuperior

Victoria, BC
November 2002

JUL 08, 2007 02:24 PM

Zarth said:
Who let all the trolls out? Did montestruc summon his posse?



Sorry.
This one was so pregnant I just had to stick a pin in it.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 08, 2007 02:25 PM

Zarth said:
Who let all the trolls out? Did montestruc summon his posse?



SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUL 08, 2007 02:58 PM

aldoushuxley said:
It's about time for another world war to happen, honestly though I think the US has its plate full as it is. I think the US should let NATO take care of this one by itself, then see how much those fucks need us when their bogged down in war and squealing like the pigs they are.



Oh do piss off. That's the last thing you want to see. One or other will come out ahead, with the other's resources to boot. Neither will like the USA any more as a result.

SouGei

SouGei

Blackwood, NJ
January 2007

JUL 08, 2007 03:15 PM

I believe the Godwin rule was written when people didn't act like Hitler so much.

Blackshirts were fascists. By their own account!

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