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Thanks For Visiting America! By The Way, You’re No Longer A Goddess



Sajani Shakya is pretty much your average 10-year-old Nepalese girl.

Well, except that up until recently, she was venerated by both Hindus and Buddhists in Nepal as a Kumari Devi, or ”living goddess”.

Sajani was one of the latest in a very long line of Nepalese girls considered to be an incarnation of the Hindu goddess Durga. Normally Durga is all fierce, riding a lion and kicking demon ass with her 10 arms, but camping out in a little Nepalese girl keeps Durga’s energy in check and keeps it on the “creation” side of things. The Kumari Devi is also the patron of Nepal’s monarchy, bestowing blessings upon the king.

Being chosen as a Kumari Devi is quite an elaborate procedure. The right girl has to match 32 “attributes of perfection,” ranging from eye color to the shape of her teeth. Apparently ancient Hindu goddesses use a procedure similar to eHarmony. Then the potential Kumari Devis are put in a dark room where dancers in demon masks attempt to scare them, since a true incarnation of a goddess who, among other things, kicks demon ass shouldn’t be scared by jazz hands.

However, it’s a lot easier to stop being a Kumari Devi. Traditionally, it’s the onset of puberty that signifies the goddess Durga leaving for a new incarnation in some other Nepalese girl, but even sustaining a scratch that’s deep enough to bleed can cut short a Kumari Devi’s reign.

Sajani Shakya, however, lost her goddess status for other, less blood-based, reasons.

Was it because she blessed Nepal’s king during a decade-long civil war? Maybe it’s because Nepal’s entire monarchy might soon be abolished?

Nope, it’s because she set foot in the United States on a goodwill tour related to an upcoming documentary about both Kumari Devis and Nepal’s civil war. While there are a bunch of Kumari Devis living in various cities and towns in Nepal, Sajani was considered one of the major ones, and thus wasn’t really supposed to leave Nepal.

Sajani’s US tour was enough to anger temple elders in her town of Bhaktapur, who declared that setting foot on American soil had tainted her purity. It’s like they’ve heard of Britney Spears or something.

So now the newly de-goddessed Sajani returns to her life as a normal 10-year-old Nepalese girl (albeit with a government pension), and I’m hoping America, having caused Sajani to lose her divinity, can learn something from this.

Like, why doesn’t Jesus grow eight more arms and ride around on a lion, kicking demon ass?

 

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All_Sewn_Up

All_Sewn_Up

Papua New Guinea
January 2007

JUL 05, 2007 11:56 AM

I was attempting funny, yes. Whether or not I achieved it isn't up to me, but judging by your response I'm going to have to go with FAIL. smile

Jennifer_

Jennifer_

Venezuela
November 2006

JUL 05, 2007 11:58 AM

Glassmachine said:
A nice article about how silly a religion you all know very little about is.
Then a total circle jerk over how superior atheists are? Come, now.


I'm not an atheist, I don't believe they're superior, and I'm not talking about the merits of religion. In fact, for an experiment, let's leave the terms 'religion' and 'atheist' out of this for a bit. Saying an idea is a 'religion' seems to excuse it from being discussed on a rational level. If I want to say that the belief that there is a woman with ten arms that inhabits the bodies of little girls has very little evidence to support it, and there is alot of physical evidence to suggest that such a phenomena is unlikely to be possible, then I damn well will. It's not a smug assertion to make, and if that's the only disagreement you can level at it, then it must be a fairly strong assertion.

mingol said:

Jenni said:
Surely there must long-lasting psychological consequences from believing you were once a God? I'm not certain, but it seems to have a real potential to mess with her life and mental health. Hopefully she'll move on from this with a minimium of issues, but it's still an irresponsible way to raise a child.



You think so because you come from a culture in which no children are ever treated that way. To the Nepalese the custom is normal and unremarkable.


It is 'remarkable' - that's the whole point of the custom. They believe the goddess in human form is remarkable, which is why they celebrate her.

Also, r3v said it quite well here:

The emic perspective makes Pre-Emancipation Proclamation slavery acceptable because it was part of American society and culture. It means that pre-suffrage, it was OK that women didn't get to vote. It means that in Taliban controlled Afghanistan, it was OK that women were forced to wear burkas and not allowed outside without a male family member accompanying them.

Just because one is not part of a specific culture does not mean one cannot judge it against the best possible ideals.

Challenging the status quo is what moves us forward as individuals, as a society and as a species.

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

JUL 05, 2007 12:22 PM

Jenni said:

mingol said:

Jenni said:
(...) it's still an irresponsible way to raise a child.


You think so because you come from a culture in which no children are ever treated that way. To the Nepalese the custom is normal and unremarkable.


It is 'remarkable' - that's the whole point of the custom. They believe the goddess in human form is remarkable, which is why they celebrate her.



Whooosh. The point isn't that nothing 'remarkable' is happening, but that the custom itself, to Nepalese eyes, is unremarkable.

Also, r3v said it quite well here: (...)



Yeah, comparing the custom of Kumari Devi to plantation slavery and the Taliban is totally appropriate. surreal

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

JUL 05, 2007 12:47 PM

Jenni said:

I'm not an atheist, I don't believe they're superior, and I'm not talking about the merits of religion. In fact, for an experiment, let's leave the terms 'religion' and 'atheist' out of this for a bit. Saying an idea is a 'religion' seems to excuse it from being discussed on a rational level. If I want to say that the belief that there is a woman with ten arms that inhabits the bodies of little girls has very little evidence to support it, and there is alot of physical evidence to suggest that such a phenomena is unlikely to be possible, then I damn well will. It's not a smug assertion to make, and if that's the only disagreement you can level at it, then it must be a fairly strong assertion.




No, no no. Don't try all that. You should not call the ancient traditions of Bhuddism and Hinduism spurious and silly. Least not because you are almost entirely ignorant of everything about them, their beliefs, principles, practices and the value to have to their followers and societies that adopt them.

A lot of the beliefs behind a religion are unrealistic from a scientific standpoint. To even say that would be to state the obvious, you would have no scientific, moral or philosophical duty to do so; but that is not what you did. - you just threw a slur at a whole people and their culture based upon an article on a titty site.

I don't care how smitten you are with your particular word-view, or how you try to cut it, it's just not on. Your pedestrian and painfully literal interpretation of an immensely complex and noble system of beliefs does not entitle you to throw around ridicule and insults.

Also, r3v said it quite well here:

The emic perspective makes Pre-Emancipation Proclamation slavery acceptable because it was part of American society and culture. It means that pre-suffrage, it was OK that women didn't get to vote. It means that in Taliban controlled Afghanistan, it was OK that women were forced to wear burkas and not allowed outside without a male family member accompanying them.

Just because one is not part of a specific culture does not mean one cannot judge it against the best possible ideals.

Challenging the status quo is what moves us forward as individuals, as a society and as a species.



So you believe that Hindu and Bhuddist traditions are an evil that should be resisted on a par with the slave trade or the tyranny of the Taliban? Because you're not a Hindu or a Bhuddist? Wow, that's pretty offensive.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 05, 2007 01:13 PM

Glassmachine said:

Jenni said:

Technically, the oldest tradition known to man is hunting and killing - because we can trace that trait right through our evolutionary lineage, from apes to fish.



Yeah. I'm talking specifically about Hinduism.


Jenni said:
What do you mean I believe I was once a God? I still am. Well, I'm my own God. And I can be yours too if you ask nicely.



Wow, I didn't even have to argue that point? Fair enough.

I don't have much use for a God and I already have a girlfriend. But thanks. smile

A nice article about how silly a religion you all know very little about is.
Then a total circle jerk over how superior atheists are? Come, now.

I know you're a God an everything, but could it really hurt just to have teensy bit of respect for Hinduism and Bhuddism?

We're all being pretty narrow-minded and reactionary for a bunch of bed-wetting liberals, aren't we?



Odd to find you once again attacking Atheist out the blue, and giving liberals a little kick, just for some trolling ?
I love the use of " we". It makes it nice and inclusive while still being an total asshole.
whatever you are a piece of work.

TheQuestion

TheQuestion

United Kingdom
August 2005

JUL 05, 2007 01:33 PM

chainlink said:

Glassmachine said:

Jenni said:

Technically, the oldest tradition known to man is hunting and killing - because we can trace that trait right through our evolutionary lineage, from apes to fish.



Yeah. I'm talking specifically about Hinduism.


Jenni said:
What do you mean I believe I was once a God? I still am. Well, I'm my own God. And I can be yours too if you ask nicely.



Wow, I didn't even have to argue that point? Fair enough.

I don't have much use for a God and I already have a girlfriend. But thanks. smile

A nice article about how silly a religion you all know very little about is.
Then a total circle jerk over how superior atheists are? Come, now.

I know you're a God an everything, but could it really hurt just to have teensy bit of respect for Hinduism and Bhuddism?

We're all being pretty narrow-minded and reactionary for a bunch of bed-wetting liberals, aren't we?



Odd to find you once again attacking Atheist out the blue, and giving liberals a little kick, just for some trolling ?
I love the use of " we". It makes it nice and inclusive while still being an total asshole.
whatever you are a piece of work.



I know Glassmachine and I can promise you he is indeed a bed-wetting liberal.

And anyway what is out of the blue about it? Isn't this a discussion board? He was just presenting another point of view, you go and call him an arsehole. Interesting.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 05, 2007 01:42 PM

TheQuestion said:

I know Glassmachine and I can promise you he is indeed a bed-wetting liberal.



Yeah, and I'm sure with the statement

We're all being pretty narrow-minded and reactionary for a bunch of bed-wetting liberals, aren't we?

he's referring to himself whatever

TheQuestion said:
And anyway what is out of the blue about it? Isn't this a discussion board? He was just presenting another point of view, you go and call him an arsehole. Interesting.



If you could please explain to me how the conversation up until his statement was in any way a

total circle jerk over how superior atheists are

I'd be happy to retract my statement, but as far as I can tell it's completely unfounded and inflammatory.

poptard

poptard

United Kingdom
November 2003

JUL 05, 2007 02:00 PM

chainlink said:

TheQuestion said:

I know Glassmachine and I can promise you he is indeed a bed-wetting liberal.



Yeah, and I'm sure with the statement

We're all being pretty narrow-minded and reactionary for a bunch of bed-wetting liberals, aren't we?

he's referring to himself whatever

TheQuestion said:
And anyway what is out of the blue about it? Isn't this a discussion board? He was just presenting another point of view, you go and call him an arsehole. Interesting.



If you could please explain to me how the conversation up until his statement was in any way a

total circle jerk over how superior atheists are

I'd be happy to retract my statement, but as far as I can tell it's completely unfounded and inflammatory.



its the style of the rtical, how its written in such a way that anyone reading it will read under it and see that its saying ''ha ha ha stupid religion, Atheists rule"

well thats how i read it

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 05, 2007 02:14 PM

poptard said:

chainlink said:

TheQuestion said:

I know Glassmachine and I can promise you he is indeed a bed-wetting liberal.



Yeah, and I'm sure with the statement

We're all being pretty narrow-minded and reactionary for a bunch of bed-wetting liberals, aren't we?

he's referring to himself whatever

TheQuestion said:
And anyway what is out of the blue about it? Isn't this a discussion board? He was just presenting another point of view, you go and call him an arsehole. Interesting.



If you could please explain to me how the conversation up until his statement was in any way a

total circle jerk over how superior atheists are

I'd be happy to retract my statement, but as far as I can tell it's completely unfounded and inflammatory.



its the style of the rtical, how its written in such a way that anyone reading it will read under it and see that its saying ''ha ha ha stupid religion, Atheists rule"

well thats how i read it



Interesting. I'm not seeing it.
Not in the article, nor in the conversation.
I do see a lot of sarcastic criticism of the religious beliefs but I don't see anything promoting Atheism, not in the slightest.
But I'll try and keep an open mind. I wouldn't want to miss out on a good circle jerk.

d20

d20

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

JUL 05, 2007 02:19 PM

for the record, i'm all for an athiests-are-super(ior) circle jerk.

DhD_No_Pants

DhD_No_Pants

Katy, TX
May 2006

JUL 05, 2007 02:21 PM

d20 said:
for the record, i'm all for an athiests-are-super(ior) circle jerk.



And you don't even have to pray for forgiveness afterwards! (Pleae be nice)

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 05, 2007 02:27 PM

d20 said:
for the record, i'm all for an atheists-are-super(ior) circle jerk.



*fap fap fap* wink

poptard

poptard

United Kingdom
November 2003

JUL 05, 2007 02:36 PM

chainlink said:

poptard said:
its the style of the rtical, how its written in such a way that anyone reading it will read under it and see that its saying ''ha ha ha stupid religion, Atheists rule"
well thats how i read it



Interesting. I'm not seeing it.
Not in the article, nor in the conversation.
I do see a lot of sarcastic criticism of the religious beliefs but I don't see anything promoting Atheism, not in the slightest.
But I'll try and keep an open mind. I wouldn't want to miss out on a good circle jerk.



of course you not seeing it,
everyone will read this artical differently, and form there own opinion,

its just from where I'm sitting i can only see that, yes its the 'style' of the writer that brings me to this assumption. Ok i agree that everything is written with that authors opinion in it, nothing can be unbiased for the most part. But this one, to me reads like ''thats a stupid thing to believe, what a bunch of idiots'


and also just that I'm completely correct in my assumption's about everything ,without having any back up knowlege on the subject I'm assuming about , wink

Iseult

Iseult

United Kingdom
September 2005

JUL 05, 2007 02:38 PM

chainlink said:

poptard said:

chainlink said:

TheQuestion said:

I know Glassmachine and I can promise you he is indeed a bed-wetting liberal.



Yeah, and I'm sure with the statement

We're all being pretty narrow-minded and reactionary for a bunch of bed-wetting liberals, aren't we?

he's referring to himself whatever

TheQuestion said:
And anyway what is out of the blue about it? Isn't this a discussion board? He was just presenting another point of view, you go and call him an arsehole. Interesting.



If you could please explain to me how the conversation up until his statement was in any way a

total circle jerk over how superior atheists are

I'd be happy to retract my statement, but as far as I can tell it's completely unfounded and inflammatory.



its the style of the rtical, how its written in such a way that anyone reading it will read under it and see that its saying ''ha ha ha stupid religion, Atheists rule"

well thats how i read it



Interesting. I'm not seeing it.
Not in the article, nor in the conversation.
I do see a lot of sarcastic criticism of the religious beliefs but I don't see anything promoting Atheism, not in the slightest.
But I'll try and keep an open mind. I wouldn't want to miss out on a good circle jerk.



I think it was all that 'sarcastic criticism' of two religious cultures, rather than any particular promotion of atheism that got people's backs up. I'm neither Hindu or Buddhist and I've found a few of the comments in this thread extremely ill-informed and insulting. I have noticed a frequent and acute smugness in reaction to any reports of any religious beliefs (which is what Glassmachine was clearly getting at) and I have taken issue, on a few occasions with people who have insulted things that they haven't yet taken the trouble to ensure they understand.

An alternative culture such as Nepalese Hinduism will of course be unfamiliar to those outside it, but that is absolutely no reason to for some people to treat their beliefs with the contempt and ridicule I have seen here, such as branding them spurious and silly. It is actually deeply offensive.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 05, 2007 02:41 PM

Iseult said:

I think it was all that 'sarcastic criticism' of two religious cultures, rather than any particular promotion of atheism that got people's backs up. I'm neither Hindu or Buddhist and I've found a few of the comments in this thread extremely ill-informed and insulting. I have noticed a frequent and acute smugness in reaction to any reports of any religious beliefs (which is what Glassmachine was clearly getting at) and I have taken issue, on a few occasions with people who have insulted things that they haven't yet taken the trouble to ensure they understand.

An alternative culture such as Nepalese Hinduism will of course be unfamiliar to those outside it, but that is absolutely no reason to for some people to treat their beliefs with the contempt and ridicule I have seen here, such as branding them spurious and silly. It is actually deeply offensive.



As deeply offensive as automatically labeling anyone who is rude and insensitive to someones religious beliefs as an Atheist ?

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