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Too Gay to Save Lives

FRIDAY MAY 25 2007 11:00 AM

Submitted by johnnyfu. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: Gays in the military, blood



Living in one of the few states that allows civil unions, I forget how much America is crazy scared of gay people. Judging from two recent news stories, high-powered people in our government are so worried about the gay menace that they won’t let gay people help in life or death situations.

You’d think that concerns over the war on terror would trump any other considerations, right? Apparently not.

According letter to the House Armed Services Committeechairman signed by 40 members of the House of Representatives, 58 Arabic translators were fired by the military under the auspices of the 1994 “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” law despite the long-standing shortage of Arabic translators in America’s military and intelligences agencies.

Recently, investigators from the Defense Department's Inspector General's office pulled message logs from military computers, and then studied them for violations. According to former Petty Officer 2nd Class Stephen Benjamin, he and about 70 other computer workers at his Georgia military base were investigated for dirty jokes, profanity and sexual references found in the messages. Most received administrative reprimands. Benjamin, an openly gay Arabic linguist, was discharged.

And while using military computers to send a note about a recent date, as Benjamin says he might have done, isn’t the smartest move, it shouldn’t be a firing offense, particularly for someone whose skills the country is in dire need of.

Well, if the terrorists are able to successfully mount an attack on the U.S. that might have been otherwise detected by Benjamin and other translators deemed too gay to fight terrorism, rest assured you’ll be safe from receiving a blood transfusion from a gay dude in an emergency.

This week, the Food and Drug Administration reaffirmed its ban on gay men donating blood. The policy, instilled in 1983 over concerns about AIDS, requires that all male prospective blood donors are asked if they have had sex with one or more men since 1977. Those who say they have are permanently banned from donating blood.

The ban has been called “medically and scientifically unwarranted” by the Red Cross and other blood donation groups. Technology has advanced a lot since 1983, you see. Modern blood tests can detect HIV-positive donors within 10 to 21 days of infection, according to blood groups.

I don’t think AIDS is really the issue, though. What’s happening is that people are afraid they’ll pass out from blood loss and wake up with a newfound appreciation for Will and Grace reruns.

 

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Untimely

Untimely

USA
January 2007

MAY 25, 2007 11:15 AM

Not all repressive religious regimes are Islamic.
Not all enemies of freedom are foreign.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

MAY 25, 2007 11:15 AM

Recently, investigators from the Defense Department's Inspector General's office pulled message logs from military computers, and then studied them for violations.

Firing someone based on this type of investigation seems to be in violation of the "DA-DT Policy."

and then given this...

...58 Arabic translators were fired by the military under the auspices of the 1994 "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" law despite the long-standing shortage of Arabic translators in America's military and intelligences agencies.

well, is just plain stupid. Not to mention any Neanderthal arguments about not being able to fight with "teh gays" doesn't apply in the least bit to translators! So seriously, WTF?!?!

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

MAY 25, 2007 11:16 AM

johnnyfu said:
This week, the Food and Drug Administration reaffirmed its ban on gay men donating blood. The policy, instilled in 1983 over concerns about AIDS, requires that all male prospective blood donors are asked if they have had sex with one or more men since 1977. Those who say they have are permanently banned from donating blood.


I had no idea this even existed, and I'm astounded that it's actually law. I just hope it's challenged soon, because I can't imagine it's Constitutional, at least with current detection procedures obviating the health concerns.

DhD_No_Pants

DhD_No_Pants

Katy, TX
May 2006

MAY 25, 2007 11:18 AM

emotedcreations said:

Recently, investigators from the Defense Department's Inspector General's office pulled message logs from military computers, and then studied them for violations.

Firing someone based on this type of investigation seems to be in violation of the "DA-DT Policy."

and then given this...

...58 Arabic translators were fired by the military under the auspices of the 1994 "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" law despite the long-standing shortage of Arabic translators in America's military and intelligences agencies.

well, is just plain stupid. Not to mention any Neanderthal arguments about not being able to fight with "teh gays" doesn't apply in the least bit to translators! So seriously, WTF?!?!



Actually, translators often go with whatever troops they are assigned to, and can and do fight with their counterparts.

But that is neither here nor there.

It is fucking ridiculous to kick someone out for being gay, whether they be open or secretive in it.

The only way I'd ever accept it was if there were two gay men 'fraternizing' within a unit, because if it were a M/F fraternization, they would get punished for it. So, M/M love should get punished in the same degree as M/F love.

d20

d20

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

MAY 25, 2007 11:22 AM

hey, i'm cool with the gays and all, i just don't want them donating blood or working in the military or making my food or working in my office or being my friends or... wait, what? they already are?

well shit, why didn't i notice? it's almost like they're regular people or something.

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

MAY 25, 2007 11:22 AM

DhD_PillowPants said:
It is fucking ridiculous to kick someone out for being gay, whether they be open or secretive in it.

The only way I'd ever accept it was if there were two gay men 'fraternizing' within a unit, because if it were a M/F fraternization, they would get punished for it. So, M/M love should get punished in the same degree as M/F love.


F/F love, however, is known to boost morale - especially when captured on film.

Greybeard

Greybeard

Los Angeles, CA
December 2006

MAY 25, 2007 11:29 AM

Yet another case of Rules and Regulations taking precedence over Results.

DhD_No_Pants

DhD_No_Pants

Katy, TX
May 2006

MAY 25, 2007 11:30 AM

Zarth said:

DhD_PillowPants said:
It is fucking ridiculous to kick someone out for being gay, whether they be open or secretive in it.

The only way I'd ever accept it was if there were two gay men 'fraternizing' within a unit, because if it were a M/F fraternization, they would get punished for it. So, M/M love should get punished in the same degree as M/F love.


F/F love, however, is known to boost morale - especially on film.



See, there is another double standard that makes me sick.

There was a video floating around while my hubby was deployed of two female soldiers making sweet F/F love (while they were deployed in Iraq) and the dumbasses sent it to their men back home via the military computers.

So, naturally, some tech guy came across it and sent it to everyone he knew, who sent it to everyone they knew, etc.

If that had been a M/M video found, it would have been grounds for immediate dismissal and more than likely, a HUGE public scandal.

Just as it is very common in the military for a female (and this doesn't apply to ALL female military personnel) to trade up sexual favors for promotions. You don't hear about it a lot, but it happens. A lot. And it is pretty common for pretty much anyone in the unit to know about it. And it is rarely brought up or punished. But God forbid a gay male get anywhere near the military.

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

MAY 25, 2007 11:34 AM

Just for the record, in case there was any uncertainty, I was being ironic. I'm no fan of double standards.

DhD_No_Pants

DhD_No_Pants

Katy, TX
May 2006

MAY 25, 2007 11:40 AM

Zarth said:
Just for the record, I was being ironic. I'm no fan of double standards.



Oh, I didn't think you were being serious.

I actually kind of pissed myself off by not including F/F relations. It is just so routinely 'accepted' over male homosexuality that it didn't even cross into my thoughts when I first responded.

Homosexual females/bisexuality among female soldiers isn't punished in the military in the same way.

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

MAY 25, 2007 11:45 AM

DhD_PillowPants said:
Oh, I didn't think you were being serious.

I actually kind of pissed myself off by not including F/F relations. It is just so routinely 'accepted' over male homosexuality that it didn't even cross into my thoughts when I first responded.

Homosexual females/bisexuality among female soldiers isn't punished in the military in the same way.


I didn't think you did, but someone else might have - it's easy enough to misinterpret.

And that particular double standard is mystifying if you try to interpret it rationally. I mean, I like seeing girlsex as much as anyone, but I don't see why the ladies shouldn't have their yaoi, too, you know?

I've also never understood why so many men respond to homosexual advances with aggression. I mean, if some creepy guy on the street randomly offers you a blowjob, it's the easiest thing in the world to say, "No, thank you." You can even add a "weirdo" to that. But a lot of guys seem to feel that the offer alone is grounds for beating somebody. I don't understand that.

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And now I know some idiot is going make some dumbass homophobic "joke" about me just for writing that. Oh, well. I've been called worse.


sexybeast

sexybeast

Metairie, LA
July 2004

MAY 25, 2007 11:51 AM

d20 said:
hey, i'm cool with the gays and all, i just don't want them donating blood or working in the military or making my food or working in my office or being my friends or... wait, what? they already are?

well shit, why didn't i notice? it's almost like they're regular people or something.



I've heard stories of a gay cook that turned everyone in the place gay by feeding people his gay food.

Seriously though, I probably wouldn't let a gay man give me a butt massage, other than that, I'm completely comfortable with gay people. Too often, I hear people say "you should be proud to be an american." This place is embarrassing. As much as I want to ramble on about the embarrassing things about this country, there's just too much. The issues with gay people is a big part of it. You watch the news for a lot more of the reasons, then watch Jerry Springer and other talk shows.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

MAY 25, 2007 11:59 AM

DhD_PillowPants said:
Actually, translators often go with whatever troops they are assigned to, and can and do fight with their counterparts.

Gotcha, I had in my head like guys at NSA or NSC (whichever is the military one) sitting around in a room intercepting transmissions and translating them. I was thinking about the guys that are actually combat troops who are part of a unit.

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

MAY 25, 2007 12:00 PM

SexyBeast said:

d20 said:
hey, i'm cool with the gays and all, i just don't want them donating blood or working in the military or making my food or working in my office or being my friends or... wait, what? they already are?

well shit, why didn't i notice? it's almost like they're regular people or something.


I've heard stories of a gay cook that turned everyone in the place gay by feeding people his gay food.

Seriously though, I probably wouldn't let a gay man give me a butt massage, other than that, I'm completely comfortable with gay people. Too often, I hear people say "you should be proud to be an american." This place is embarrassing. As much as I want to ramble on about the embarrassing things about this country, there's just too much. The issues with gay people is a big part of it. You watch the news for a lot more of the reasons, then watch Jerry Springer and other talk shows.


Now hold on a second - would you let a straight man give you a butt massage?

And no, I am not volunteering - just wondering why.

amberdave

amberdave

West Sacramento, CA
July 2004

MAY 25, 2007 12:02 PM

Last time I gave blood, I asked the nurse why gay men aren't allowed to donate. I then told her that I thought it was a silly rule.
After I donated and was leaving, the person in charge of the blood donation crew chased me down and quizzed me to make sure I was straight.

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