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  • SUNDAY MAY 20 2007 5:00 PM

The Bible as Porn? Maybe in Hong Kong



Hearing the word "bible" typically does not conjure images in one's mind of scantily clad individuals romping around or engaging in exciting Jerry Bruckheimer-worthy acts of violence. In fact, for many people the bible tends to evoke images of old men in cheap suits rambling about moral decay, thoughts of shame and guilt, ponderous lists of names and notions of the meek somehow inheriting the earth. However, a group in Hong Kong seems to be in the former camp, and is fighting to get the bible labeled as indecent and obscene. If they are successful no one under the age of 18 will be allowed to purchase a bible, and it will have to be individually wrapped to ensure that it is not accidentally opened.

More than 800 Hong Kong residents have called on authorities to reclassify the Bible as "indecent" due to its sexual and violent content, following an uproar over a sex column in a university student journal.

A spokesperson for Hong Kong's Television and Entertainment Licensing authority (TELA) said it had received 838 complaints about the Bible by noon Wednesday.

The complaints follow the launch of an anonymous Web site -- www.truthbible.net -- which said the holy book "made one tremble" given its sexual and violent content, including rape and incest.

The Web site said the Bible's sexual content "far exceeds" that of a recent sex column published in the Chinese University's "Student Press" magazine, which had asked readers whether they'd ever fantasized about incest or bestiality.


But surely this is all the work of godless atheists seeking to subvert the word of God, right? Well, let's have a look and see just what it is that's got them so upset.

Book of Genesis, chapter 19:

he two angels reached Sodom in the evening, as Lot was sitting at the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he got up to greet them; and bowing down with his face to the ground, he said, "Please, gentlemen, come aside into your servant's house for the night, and bathe your feet; you can get up early to continue your journey." But they replied, "No, we shall pass the night in the town square." He urged them so strongly, however, that they turned aside to his place and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking cakes without leaven, and they dined. Before they went to bed, all the townsmen of Sodom, both young and old--all the people to the last man--closed in on the house. They called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to your house tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intimacies with them." Lot went out to meet them at the entrance. When he had shut the door behind him, he said, "I beg you, my brothers, not to do this wicked thing. I have two daughters who have never had intercourse with men. Let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you please. But don't do anything to these men, for you know they have come under the shelter of my roof."

Pretty hot and heavy stuff. I think I remember the same premise from a softcore porn movie on Cinemax.

Book of Deuteronomy, Chapter 22:

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Sex with virgins, rape, forced marriage. Scandalous!

Book of Samuel II, Chapter 16:

Ahithophel said to Absalom, “Go in to your father’s concubines, that he has left to keep the house. Then all Israel will hear that you are abhorred by your father. Then the hands of all who are with you will be strong.” So they spread Absalom a tent on the top of the house; and Absalom went in to his father’s concubines in the sight of all Israel.

Cavorting with his father's concubines in plain sight of everyone else? Who wouldn't be turned on?

Book of Isaiah, Chapter 36:

But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

Eating shit and drinking piss, well that's got to turn on someone... probably.

OK, but that's all old testament stuff, fire and brimstone. Not like the New testament, which is all happiness and pleasantries, right? See for yourself.

Gospel according to Luke, chapter 12:

Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.

Doesn't exactly sound... peaceful, does it?

Gospel according to Luke, chapter 19:

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


That's not very friendly either.

Gospel according to Matthew, chapter 10:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.


Sounds rather violent to me.

The truth is that censorship of any reading material is abhorrent and not justifiable. But should religious books receive a pass just because they're religious? In an update from the Hong Kong media regulator, the answer is a resounding "Yes."

 

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malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

MAY 21, 2007 12:08 AM

doolittle said:

RyleeRockstar said:

doolittle said:
I'm kind of surprised this is happening in Hong Kong of all places. When I was there it seemed like a fairly culturally open minded place, particularly for being so closely attached to China. Just seems weird to me is all.

I agree with the above sentiments that religious books and literature don't necessarily get a "free pass", but it makes me bummed to think they would go out of their way to censor such an influential (whether you believe in what it says or not it IS influential) book as the bible surreal



culturally open-minded? since when is not allowing more than one child open-minded



china and hong kong are not exactly the same place bubs. they are connected but they have their own systems in place. the one child policy is china, hong kong is not governed by that.



Plus the one child policy has nothing to do with open-mindedness.

RedVillain

RedVillain

I'm lost
September 2005

MAY 21, 2007 12:26 AM

Why is this happening now? Also those were some random excerpts that just cut off so they would sound bad, not to say the bible doesn't have some fucked up stories in it. Beliefs aside because I'm not really interested in the spiritual aspects of the bible but I think the censorship of something so pivotal to history means that there are some alternative motives involved. I'm more curious to know what the motives are then I'm to stop the censorship though. The bible has been fucked with too much to take every word to heart.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

MAY 21, 2007 12:29 AM

Once again, what was being discussed is classifying the Bible as adult material, not suitable for those under 18. I suppose that's a very limited sort of censorship, but everyone's talking like the goal was to ban it, and that's just not so.

Flawedhero

Flawedhero

Suwanee, GA
October 2006

MAY 21, 2007 12:43 AM

NickFaust said:
I think what they ought to do is to break up the bible into two parts. Take the old testament and put it in the historical fiction section. Take the new testament and put it in the self-help section, next to the stuff by Deepak Chopra.

Okay, well, three sections - take all the shit by Paul and put it in the Misogynistic Homophobe section.



What about Song of Solomon?

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Literary porn section?

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

MAY 21, 2007 01:00 AM

slyderule said:
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As far as Hong Kong and censorship go, what could surprise us that they will? This is a place that you could get publicly caned for a minor indiscretion during the day but, does little about underage prostitution at night. (or so it has been reported.) And changes will continue as HK and traditional China hammer out there relationship.
...



Others have already addressed the rest of this post, but I think this part needs to be answered.

To my knowledge, the last judicial caning (or flogging - a British relic) in Hong Kong took place in 1990. On November 1 of that year, the Corporal Punishment Ordinance was repealed, and none has been administered since. It's also illegal in schools - but in very rare instances, it has been seen in some homes. Just not in public.

Also, underage prostitution is (relative to their neighbors) extremely uncommon there.

I believe you are thinking of Singapore, not Hong Kong. Or possibly Malaysia.

slyderule

slyderule

Independence, IA
March 2007

MAY 21, 2007 01:59 AM

mQx said:
slyderule said:

There are bibles with his drunken nakedness removed? Kinda works toward the point of Christians already censoring themselves, I guess.

As for your Ruth point, I'm just going by the numerous sources I've seen that say that "feet" in Hebrew is a euphemism for genitals. Me, I can't read Hebrew, so I have to take the people who can, word for it.

The overall sad part is, illiteracy used to be kept in place partially so that commoners couldn't read the bible and had to take the monks (or whoever's) word for it. Now we have a whole wide world of supposedly literate people, with all the world's information at their fingertips, who still have their head up their ass when it comes to actually knowing what the bible says.


No, I don't know of any with the nakedness removed, but newer translations or paraphrases or commentaries may point this out as an euphemism for something more. (If your such a scholar go find it yourself.)
And I actually hadn't heard of feet being a euphemism for genitals, so though my head is not up my ass, I could get my Strong's Concordance, or Young's or Langenscheidt dictionary out of storage (I haven't studied Biblical Hebrew in quite some time.) But i probably need to search various commentaries instead to find the feet/genital reference. Istill think ou have the wrong take on it.
But that is what i asked you, if your wang comment referred to his nakedness, (in the privacy of hishis tent by the way), so why did you presume it was removed?

slyderule

slyderule

Independence, IA
March 2007

MAY 21, 2007 02:05 AM

skeptik said:
slyderule said:

I believe you are thinking of Singapore, not Hong Kong. Or possibly Malaysia.



I stand corrected in full deference to your wisdom. I was thinking of Hong Kong, but I am willing to believe I had a bad source on the prostitution and was not up to date on caning.
I still am not surprised about censorship there.

Nokturn

Nokturn

United Kingdom
April 2006

MAY 21, 2007 07:54 AM

Such censorship is just silly.
I could understand if this was all illustrated or something but as if any kid is going to read those passages from the Bible and have any fucking clue what it means.
Although if they're going to make a Hong Kong movie version of Bible porn, I'd probably see it...
Especially if Shu Qi is in it.

CategoryError

CategoryError

Delta, BC
September 2006

MAY 21, 2007 09:29 AM

I have to agree with the 'all or nothing' view on this - If they're gonna use a censorship system, stick to the rules and be consistent. My particular beliefs on the bible are irrelevant, it comes down to consistency vs. religious pass, and I think logic has been undermined for far too long using religion as an excuse.

I think its a sentimentality that serves to make religion appear more mysterious than it really is. The fact that we present and teach religious vews in almost an entirely separate category than other views encourages blind following rather than thinking for yourself from a very early age.

Bilharzia

Bilharzia

I'm lost
April 2004

MAY 21, 2007 01:47 PM

BGage said:

Bilharzia said:


The truth is that censorship of any reading material is abhorrent and not justifiable.



Debatable.



Care to debate it then? Or were you just trolling?



Legionnaire, I'm sure, is very intellilgent, and, as a writer, well-versed in controversies surrounding censorship issues. However, his blanket assertion that censorship the written word is never justified, sounds a bit knee-jerk to me.

In my opinion, such a bold statement would have to be accompanied by a full appendix of qualifications and exceptions. You don't have to go delve too deeply into the debate to discover a whole panopoly of situations in which censorship of certain reading material either protects people from harm, or serves the public good.

We could debate it if you like, but my argument is pretty strong.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

MAY 21, 2007 03:29 PM

BGage said:
People who don't know right from wrong on their own don't know right from wrong, period.



People have to be taught right and wrong.

Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

MAY 21, 2007 05:04 PM

malkav11 said:
Once again, what was being discussed is classifying the Bible as adult material, not suitable for those under 18. I suppose that's a very limited sort of censorship, but everyone's talking like the goal was to ban it, and that's just not so.



You must be the only person on this thread who has a clue what the article was actually about. Thanks for being there.

Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

MAY 21, 2007 05:07 PM

Bilharzia said:

BGage said:

Bilharzia said:


The truth is that censorship of any reading material is abhorrent and not justifiable.



Debatable.



Care to debate it then? Or were you just trolling?



Legionnaire, I'm sure, is very intellilgent, and, as a writer, well-versed in controversies surrounding censorship issues. However, his blanket assertion that censorship the written word is never justified, sounds a bit knee-jerk to me.

In my opinion, such a bold statement would have to be accompanied by a full appendix of qualifications and exceptions. You don't have to go delve too deeply into the debate to discover a whole panopoly of situations in which censorship of certain reading material either protects people from harm, or serves the public good.

We could debate it if you like, but my argument is pretty strong.



Please, please, please give me one concrete example how censorship helped anyone except those who are censoring? Or again, are you just trolling? As far as your "argument" (dogma) being pretty strong... you know, denial is not just a river in Egypt.

deathismetal

deathismetal

I'm lost
July 2004

MAY 21, 2007 05:15 PM

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.



NOTE TO SELF: dont get caught banging a virgin without fifty shekels of silver..........

SirPsychoSexy

SirPsychoSexy

Ridgewood, NJ
January 2004

MAY 21, 2007 05:24 PM

Bilharzia said:


The truth is that censorship of any reading material is abhorrent and not justifiable.



Debatable.(censored)

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