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Someone Should Have Told Me Christians Are At War With Us



Ron Luce is a 45-year-old man who started a movement for young Christian kids called BattleCry. Why BattleCry? Because the kids are “fighting to save their generation from the media, culture and Satan." Luce believes most evangelicals are weak and hates the idea of “accepting" Christ and “trusting” the Lord.

"The devil hates us," he exhorts, "and we gotta be ready to fight and not be these passive little lukewarm, namby-pamby, kum-ba-yah, thumb-sucking babies that call themselves Christians. Jesus? He got mad!"

"I want an attacking church!" he shouts.


Super. There’s this fun group called the Taliban I could hook you up with. They are really into an attacking church sort of thing.



Luce goes after kids who are too young to vote and he taps into their teenage rebellion instincts. His shows are part-concert, part-preaching about what is wrong with the kind of people who go to the SG website. His mission is to radicalize them and turn them into a cultural army.

"This is a real war," Luce preaches. When he talks like that, he growls. "This is not a metaphor!" In Cleveland, he intercuts his sermons with videos of suicide bombers and marching Christian teens.


It is a shrewd operation. Nothing gets kids going more than believing that everyone is against them, while at the same time making them think they are accomplishing great change. For them it is a scary time and they are God’s army. They are told to travel “in pairs” because “the devil is going to come after you.”



Well, big deal. Every generation has had kids who are crazy religious; it does not spell the end of time. Really? The difference between the old days and now is that these Christians are being trained to infiltrate our government and kill it from the inside. A great example of this is the current Department of Justice scandal.

Monica Goodling, an ex-aide of Alberto Gonzales, is at the center of the administration’s crisis. She recently resigned after declaring she would assert her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination if she was forced to testify in front of Congress. Goodling was the liaison between the DOJ and the White House.

Goodling is a Christian, who was educated at the Regent University School of Law. Regent was created by Pat Robertson to provide
"Christian leadership to change the world." The school is training law students to understand how America's law should be changed to reflect
"eternal principles of justice.” US News & World Report lists the school as “fourth tier”, which is the lowest score for a law school. The classes are a tad bit different from, say, Harvard.

The title of the course was Constitutional Law, but the subject was sin. Before any casebooks were opened, a student led his classmates in a 10-minute devotional talk, completed with "amens," about the need to preserve their Christian values.

"Sin is so appealing because it's easy and because it's fun," the law student warned.


So naturally, the Bush administration has hired over 150 graduates of Regent. John Ashcroft made it easier for his fellow Christians to be hired in 2002 when he changed the rules for hiring new lawyers. Applicants would no longer have to be screened by veteran civil servants. It seemed that with the old process, the DOJ was hiring top-of-the-class lawyers from elite law schools. Wouldn’t want that. The change resulted in more conservatives without any experience in civil rights being hired.

"It used to be that high-level DOJ jobs were generally reserved for the best of the legal profession. That a recent graduate of one of the very worst (and sketchiest) law schools with virtually no relevant experience could ascend to this position is a sure sign that there is something seriously wrong at the DOJ."


So, now the current state of the DOJ is horrifying. These were ideologues who were not working to uphold the law, but rather to put forth an agenda. Every office will need to be investigated to find out how seriously the US Attorney's offices have been compromised by more awful Bush hiring's. The Christians will be purged for not following the rules of justice and they will scream that they are being persecuted for being Christians...on and on.

But scariest of all, is the fact that the war is not stopping anytime soon. Those young BattleCry warriors are going to grow up and learn the best way to “change” our society, just like the lawyers from Regent have. Hopefully they can turn us into a full-blown theocracy before I die.

FearTheReaper will be appearing at the San Jose Improv April 13-15.

 

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soulcompromise

soulcompromise

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 14, 2007 06:57 AM

I diidn't read most of this thread but since when is Christianity about highlighting the cons of everything? It seems like these abolitionist puritan types are only in it for themselves and seldom do I trust their intentions. Spouting off rhetoric and punctuating with biblical reference is hardly what I would call Christian idealism. wink

Tigerwong

Tigerwong

Baltimore, MD
February 2005

APR 14, 2007 07:46 AM

Subrosa said:

Tigerwong said:
As for the DOJ issue, even if the civil servant screening process hadn't been there in the first place, hiring a lawyer from a horribly low ranking school to work for a fairly high-ranking government position is just plain stupid, and under any other administration, these people would be making commercials and chasing ambulances.



I agree with everything else you said above, but I do have a small issue with this. I've known many excellent lawyers who have gone to Tier 4 schools, both in my personal and professional life. Granted, they didn't graduate from JesusLaw, so that might be more of the issue.



Yeah... i said that kind of wrong. It's the "Jesus-Law" part of this that bugs me more than anything else. Didn't mean to diss a low ranking law school (just THAT one specifically). My bad.

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

APR 14, 2007 12:00 PM

Hafu said:
anyone a fan of Penn and Teller?

Bullshit!



Going to an AIDS walk with them and with the rest of a local atheists group. I've met 'em before at a bar, nice guys.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

APR 14, 2007 12:23 PM

soulcompromise said:
I diidn't read most of this thread but since when is Christianity about highlighting the cons of everything?


Since about the mid-First Century.

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

APR 14, 2007 03:16 PM

formerviking said:

Young_Gershwin said:

BrokenandHostile said:

Stumped he just replied with "God Made the days". So then i asked why he decided to name Monday Monday, and not name it something else. And then it just got uglier from there on.




Another interesting thing is why a Christian God named the days of the week after pagan referenes. Monday = Day of Moon, Thursday = Day of Thor, Friday = Freia. I can't remember Tuesday or Wednesday... And I think we can all work out Sunday



Tuesday = Tyr's day , Wednesday = Wotan's day . Wotan = Odin , for most of us .
And yes , I'd love to "talk" to some of these young folks to try to straighten them out . Not that I think it would do any good , if they'd rather live with their collective heads up their asses , then so be it .



I wouldn't. I wouldn't even put myself in the position to try to talk them out of what they believe. Trying to talk someone out of what they believe will turn into a very heated conversation, if not into an argument.

This is one of those cases where it needs to run it's cycle. The ones who are independent enough to figure out that they are being lead to believe rather than choosing to believe will figure it out. Unfortunately your still going to have a few that choose to believe everything this guy is saying without a second doubt, and the whole vicious cycle will start with the next generation.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

APR 14, 2007 03:55 PM

Warning: Pedantic Digression on the Days of the Week

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
The seven-day the week was originally used by the Sumerians, and the Babylonians after them. Each of the seven days was named after one the seven known planets, which were also considered gods. The ancient Hebrews, although intermittently monotheistic, adopted the Sumerian week as their own, since it had long been established as the standard in the Middle East (in Europe, in antiquity, they used very different measures of time, usually just holding market days at regular intervals of four to ten days).

Early Christians used the Middle Eastern week for timing their religious services, of course, and so when Christianity was adopted by the Roman Empire, the seven-day week became standard. Yet in Latin, of course, the names of the days were based on the names of the gods that were associated with the planets which were in turn believed to rule the day. Tuesday was dedicated to Mars (hence French Mardi, for instance), Wednesday to Mercury, Saturday to Saturn, Thursday to Jupiter, etc. When Christianity in turn spread from Romans to Germans, the names of the days were again translated to names of the local gods that the Romans believed were the equivalents of their own. Odin, for instance, was seen as just another name for Hermes (Mercury), so he got Wednesday. Tyr or Tiw was a major war god, so he got Tuesday, since he was seen as the German version of Mars. And so it went.

Not that I would expect an Evangelical to know any of that, of course.



Anyway. Carry on.

twowheels

twowheels

Lynnwood, WA
April 2007

APR 15, 2007 12:07 PM

glad to be a non believer.... religion has been edited and interpeted to fit different cultures so many times its sickoning.

formerviking

formerviking

Denver, PA
May 2006

APR 15, 2007 02:05 PM

Zarth said:
Warning: Pedantic Digression on the Days of the Week

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
The seven-day the week was originally used by the Sumerians, and the Babylonians after them. Each of the seven days was named after one the seven known planets, which were also considered gods. The ancient Hebrews, although intermittently monotheistic, adopted the Sumerian week as their own, since it had long been established as the standard in the Middle East (in Europe, in antiquity, they used very different measures of time, usually just holding market days at regular intervals of four to ten days).

Early Christians used the Middle Eastern week for timing their religious services, of course, and so when Christianity was adopted by the Roman Empire, the seven-day week became standard. Yet in Latin, of course, the names of the days were based on the names of the gods that were associated with the planets which were in turn believed to rule the day. Tuesday was dedicated to Mars (hence French Mardi, for instance), Wednesday to Mercury, Saturday to Saturn, Thursday to Jupiter, etc. When Christianity in turn spread from Romans to Germans, the names of the days were again translated to names of the local gods that the Romans believed were the equivalents of their own. Odin, for instance, was seen as just another name for Hermes (Mercury), so he got Wednesday. Tyr or Tiw was a major war god, so he got Tuesday, since he was seen as the German version of Mars. And so it went.

Not that I would expect an Evangelical to know any of that, of course.



Anyway. Carry on.



But what about leap year ? biggrin

formerviking

formerviking

Denver, PA
May 2006

APR 15, 2007 02:05 PM

twowheels said:
glad to be a non believer.... religion has been edited and interpeted to fit different cultures so many times its sickoning.



Damn straight .

GRAK

GRAK

Iraq
February 2007

APR 15, 2007 04:17 PM

DonnyKey said:
GOOD FUCKING CHRIST.

That first video is hilarious, the funniest shit I've seen in ages.



yeah, the one with the arena footage was great! I was waiting for the 700 clubs cameo!

Mystik

Mystik

SUICIDEGIRL

Florida, USA

APR 15, 2007 04:57 PM

formerviking said:

twowheels said:
glad to be a non believer.... religion has been edited and interpeted to fit different cultures so many times its sickoning.



Damn straight .



So True!! I can't stand religious fanatic nut jobs. Imagine the nerve those assholes have to try to take away our rights to have kinky sex and wank off to naked pics. What the hell else do they expect us to do for fun!! mad mad mad

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

APR 15, 2007 05:30 PM

Did all those kids with their "fists raised high" remind you guys of anyone? [second video]

Now, while I can't argue with the premise that we need some change, the conclusions that they draw from that premise are quite frightening.

Gayballs

Gayballs

Seattle, WA
July 2005

APR 16, 2007 02:58 AM

bugbue said:
They all be doing drugs and cheating on their significant others with prostitutes in a few years so fuck em.



yuh

ehaynes13

ehaynes13

USA
January 2007

APR 16, 2007 03:17 AM

extremism in any form isn't a solution because it supports closing the mind and ending the debate.

ehaynes13

ehaynes13

USA
January 2007

APR 16, 2007 03:21 AM

frown

this comment was on a different story - about the World of Warcraft girl who sold sex for an "Epic mount".

Not sure how it got here... anyway - that story was interesting and very disturbing.

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