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If you're in college, you may have noticed that the cost of your birth control's gone way up.

Last year when Pres. George W. Bush slashed funding for domestic spending programs to free up more money for his war on terror, analysts didn't foresee how steeply some prices would increase as a result of fewer federal dollars. This year millions of college students are seeing steep price increases that have doubled or tripled the price of birth control pills.
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Skyrocketing price increases are fallout from the 2005 deficit-reduction bill that focused on Medicaid. Because Medicaid is the federal health insurance program for the poor college health officials had not realized the bill would affect them in any way.


This is annoying, of course; but it also contributes to systemic discrimination. College students are often kinda broke--having to pay for birth control is an expense women have, and men don't. So women are a little bit broker having to buy birth control; and now they're a little bit broker still, since it costs two or three times more than it did last year.

Same with health insurance not covering birth control: there's an out-of-pocket expense that women have, and men don't.

It seems petty, but it adds up. If you have to scrimp at the beginning of the semester by, say, postponing buying a book or two, then you might be a little behind; if you have to work an extra hour or two a week in order to afford birth control, you have a little less time to study. And if you run out of pills and are too broke to afford to replace 'em for a week or two, and you take a gamble, well then, you're up shit creek.

Does this kind of thing constitute systematic sexism? You tell me.

Bitch PhD remembers having to budget for things like tooth brushes and birth control pills, and is glad those days are behind her now.

 

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vaporeyes

vaporeyes

New Zealand
November 2006

MAR 24, 2007 07:42 PM

If you really need your pills maybe cut back on the Double Mochachinos for a week or pawn that cool Ipod on Ebay.

But honestly...

Being a Male if my partner said "Look I'm broke and can't buy my BC pills so we can't get to the snuggles tonight"...i'd be reaching for my wallet before she finished her sentence.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

MAR 24, 2007 07:43 PM

ah, okay. misread. theconservative is correct--it's not that a woman will will get pregnant 11 times for every 100 times she fucks a guy that's using a condom, it's that for every 100 sexually-active women per year whose partners use condoms, 11 of them will end up pregnant.

that's a really, really bad way to measure these things. i mean, jesus, that 11% figure means nothing. it bears no actual relation at all to the chance that a woman will get pregnant if her sperm not-donor uses a condom. you can't derive any useful data regarding the effectiveness of condoms from that figure.

bald_eagle

bald_eagle

Indianapolis, IN
November 2006

MAR 24, 2007 07:43 PM

geo35 said:

No, no... you and Bald Eagle and Oyaji apparently didn't read carefully through the NFP site. NFP is NOT "the rhythm method," which is useless guesswork based solely on counting days from "that time of the month." NFP is much more scientific and precise (and requires a fair amount of attention and time.) But it works.



Sort of. According to Robert Hatch, Contraceptive Technology Ardent Media 2005, as cited by Public Health of King County, it's "fairly effective."
Link

The typical rate of success is 75%, with success with "perfect use" 91-99% effective. According to EngendeHealth, perfect use requires correct interpretation of the mucus, along with use of temperature.

Contraceptive pills are rated "extremely effective," with typical success 92% and perfect use effectiveness of 99.7%.

theconservative

theconservative

Antarctica
October 2004

MAR 24, 2007 07:44 PM

Morgan said:

freshprncebelair said:
He's thinking about "per-fuck" failure rate, which is nowhere near 11%. What you are talking about is the percentage of people that will experience a failure of a condom in a year.



Doesn't really make a difference though, does it? If 11 women in 100 get pregnant using condoms, and only 1 or 2 get pregnant using oral birth control, that's still a pretty good reason to prefer using oral contraceptives over just "telling the guy to use a condom", as theconservative suggests. 10 extra pregnancies is a HUGE difference to those of us who would rather not get pregnant for various reasons.

Condoms don't cost much at all, unfortunately, while oral birth control is increasingly expensive. I used to be able to get a years worth of birth control for under 50 dollars. Now I can only get TWO MONTHS worth for that much. It's insane, ridiculous, and it's also dangerous to expect women to be 1. insured and 2. to pay that much for birth control, which should be fucking cheap in a perfect world.



i do really love how people can suggest there's no way a woman can prevent pregnancy without having someone else pay for her birth control.

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

MAR 24, 2007 07:44 PM

Morgan said:

freshprncebelair said:
He's thinking about "per-fuck" failure rate, which is nowhere near 11%. What you are talking about is the percentage of people that will experience a failure of a condom in a year.



Doesn't really make a difference though, does it? If 11 women in 100 get pregnant using condoms, and only 1 or 2 get pregnant using oral birth control, that's still a pretty good reason to prefer using oral contraceptives over just "telling the guy to use a condom", as theconservative suggests. 10 extra pregnancies is a HUGE difference to those of us who would rather not get pregnant for various reasons.



Obviously, the statistics are valid, as they are compiled over a large number of samples, and show the difference between the natural failure rate of condoms (which is a fraction of a percent) and the failure rate in practice (where there are errors in such in empoyment). However, you shoudn't misinterpret them, because your misinterpretation grossly distorts the facts.

If condoms failed 11% of the time, almost 100% of women would be pregnant over the course of a year. The 11% though is a good proxy measurement that can help people decide just how effective condoms are if they will be having sex a lot over the course of a year. Of course, if you are just having the odd one night stand or two, condoms will be more than adequate (but using the pill can only help your chances to avoid pregnancy, and has ancillary health benefits)

theconservative

theconservative

Antarctica
October 2004

MAR 24, 2007 07:45 PM

theconservative said:

motorfirebox said:
well, it's not like the word "percent" literally means "per one hundred", or anything. oh, wait!

i think what theconservative might be trying to get across, though, is that condoms don't fail 11% of the time when used correctly. women in sexual relationships where the partners agree to use condoms fail 11% of the time--maybe he fucked up and tore it as he was putting it on, maybe they got wrapped up in the moment and forgot to use one, whatever.

understand, i'm not saying that's the case, i'm just trying to clarify theconservative's babblery.



goddammit! will you just fucking go read the study. ok, let's ask ourselves, how many times does a sexually active woman have ex in a year? can we be conservative and say 6 times a month? 72 times a year. ok, that means out of every 7200 times a condom is used, 11 pregnancies can be expected to occur. that makes the failure rate per condom .001527% see, not the same. feel free to correct me if my math isn't correct.

oops, that would be 1.527%...still not quite 11%



oops again, it would be .1527%

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

MAR 24, 2007 07:45 PM

freshprncebelair said:

Morgan said:

Subrosa said:
Uh... I'll fully admit that math is not my strong suit, but isn't 11 times in a hundred 11%?



Yeah, I am terrible at math, but I am 99% sure that 11 times in a 100 equals 11%. Apparently theconservative knows something about percentages that we don't.



He's thinking about "per-fuck" failure rate, which is nowhere near 11%. What you are talking about is the percentage of people that will experience a failure of a condom in a year.



Ah. OK. Gotcha.

The point, of course, is that the raw numbers (whether they are per fuck or per year) are quite meaningless. The simple fact is that using the pill is a statistically far, far better option. Especially considering that its unlikely one would get pregnant more than once in a year anyway.

camalot

camalot

Kitchener, ON
April 2006

MAR 24, 2007 07:46 PM

Yeah, the gov't sucks, discrimination is every where...So?

Ladies, any guy worth letting into your pants should have no problem ponying up half the cost of the pills. If he won't, i'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you this, but you shouldn't be fucking that guy anyway.

As for picking up random dicks...thems the brakes I guess.

theconservative

theconservative

Antarctica
October 2004

MAR 24, 2007 07:47 PM

oh, and morgan, please tell me where i suggested 'just telling the guy to use a condom."

Rush

Rush

Long Island City, NY
June 2005

MAR 24, 2007 07:49 PM

I always got my pills free at Planned Parenthood...

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

MAR 24, 2007 07:49 PM

theconservative said:
oh, and morgan, please tell me where i suggested 'just telling the guy to use a condom."



I personally recommend the catholic special: pull and pray

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 24, 2007 07:53 PM

Late to the party.

I'm certainly not against making birth control affordable. We (and I'm talking about numerous wealthy countries) have whole institutional and infrastructural arrangements to deal with actual children, so enabling people to choose when they have children seems to me part of that picture.

I kind of baulk at the whole "war on women" thing. It's a particular type of hyperbole with a particular agenda, imposing a way of looking at the world that is neither productive nor necessary for feminism. (If we were to take the "war on women" idea seriously, we'd be left with the awkward question of why birth control was ever subsidised in the first place.)

I mean, if I were being facetious, I'd point out that in fact, clearly BitchPhD's analysis does not go far enough. The fact that birth control has gone up in price is hardly the underlying issue. The underlying issue is that, back in the day, the ruling members of the evil Patriarchy Inc. decided that women would do the ovulating and carrying to term, and men would do the ... well, some manual labour, plus general enjoyment of Masculine Privilege.

That's where the War On Women started! That's what needs to be reversed! Let's get on that!

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Less facetiously, we can make choices about how we handle the fact that females and males were given different biological functioning with regards to reproduction, and we can try to make it as evenly balanced as we can, and there seems to be good reason to do so.

But seriously, taking something that's down to nature and implying something about a "war on women" as a result of nature's "decision" is rather unnecessary. Nature is, and always has been, our greatest oppressor. (As well as our greatest benefactor. Those things are not contradictory.) Can we just fucking well accept that and move on to how best to respond to it? Sheesh.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Dickeyville, WI
August 2005

MAR 24, 2007 08:00 PM

Subrosa said:

freshprncebelair said:

Morgan said:

Subrosa said:
Uh... I'll fully admit that math is not my strong suit, but isn't 11 times in a hundred 11%?



Yeah, I am terrible at math, but I am 99% sure that 11 times in a 100 equals 11%. Apparently theconservative knows something about percentages that we don't.



He's thinking about "per-fuck" failure rate, which is nowhere near 11%. What you are talking about is the percentage of people that will experience a failure of a condom in a year.



Ah. OK. Gotcha.

The point, of course, is that the raw numbers (whether they are per fuck or per year) are quite meaningless. The simple fact is that using the pill is a statistically far, far better option. Especially considering that its unlikely one would get pregnant more than once in a year anyway.




The point I think IS that statistically you can't show that unless you know how many times they are having sex in the year, because although one might only get pregnant once a year, they likely could fuck more than once a year.
"The numbers are meaningless" . . . " statistically far far better " ,what huh surreal?

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

MAR 24, 2007 08:07 PM

chainlink said:

Subrosa said:

freshprncebelair said:

Morgan said:

Subrosa said:
Uh... I'll fully admit that math is not my strong suit, but isn't 11 times in a hundred 11%?



Yeah, I am terrible at math, but I am 99% sure that 11 times in a 100 equals 11%. Apparently theconservative knows something about percentages that we don't.



He's thinking about "per-fuck" failure rate, which is nowhere near 11%. What you are talking about is the percentage of people that will experience a failure of a condom in a year.



Ah. OK. Gotcha.

The point, of course, is that the raw numbers (whether they are per fuck or per year) are quite meaningless. The simple fact is that using the pill is a statistically far, far better option. Especially considering that its unlikely one would get pregnant more than once in a year anyway.




The point I think IS that statistically you can't show that unless you know how many times they are having sex in the year, because although one might only get pregnant once a year, they likely could fuck more than once a year.



It's an excellent measure of condom efectiveness in the real world, but like you said, you can't take it to mean things that it does not measure.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 24, 2007 08:09 PM

chainlink said:
The point I think IS that statistically you can't show that unless you know how many times they are having sex in the year, because although one might only get pregnant once a year, they likely could fuck more than once a year.



Do you mean there's reason to expect that there would be a statistically significant difference in the number of times a couple using condoms has sex, versus the number of times a couple using the pill has sex?

I think if we assume that couples using condoms have sex about as often as couples using the pill, we can conclude that condoms are (relatively) less reliable. And before someone tells me that to assume makes an ass out of them and me, I'd point out that to assume anything else carries the same risk unless we have good reason for believing that these different couples would have different frequencies of sex. And I'm not sure what reasons we'd have to believe that.

So there.

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