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  • FRIDAY DECEMBER 15 2006 8:00 AM

Lunatic, Socialist, Hippie Senator Wants Universal Health Care

Twelve years ago America said no to a Clinton plan to create a massive bureaucracy and lower the standard of medical care by giving every American health care. The plan was slapped down by a prudent and economically sound Republican congress. But now the ugly monster of universal health care has reared it's ugly head again.

Oregon Birkenstock wearing Senator Ron Wyden is offering a plan to provide health care for everyone, whether they are stockbrokers or employed hobos living under the docks. The only people who would not be covered by his “private coverage” plan are people who get Medicare or are in the military.


"Employer-based coverage is melting away like a Popsicle on the sidewalk in August," Wyden said.


Okay. Now back to reality. Wyden is a member of the Senate Finance health care subcommittee, so he thinks he has the power to introduce bills that will ruin America. He has called the plan the “Healthy Americans Act” and believes it will not cost more money than what the country currently spends.

The plan has drawn support from different sides of the business community. The Service Employees International Union and Safeway, Inc. both believe the health care plan is a smart move. When everyone agrees on something it is communism. We are in deep shit here.

Currently 46 million Americans are happily uninsured. They go about their lives, some working full time jobs, joyfully understanding they are not living under the oppression of socialism.

Wyden’s plan allows workers to transfer their health insurance from job to job. Employers would terminate their existing plans and pay the amount saved directly to workers. Workers would then have to buy health insurance from a pool of private plans. After two years, employers would no longer pay their employees the insurance money and would instead pay it directly into the insurance pool. Then America would collapse.

 

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Margot_Dent

Margot_Dent

Los Angeles, CA
February 2004

DEC 15, 2006 09:32 AM

Raggamuffin said:
Every time I read a news article from SG, it's some conservative, narrow-minded view, always flinging mud in the opposite direction. I think we have a mini-O'Riely on our hands.

This guy is going to go nowhere in journalism.



whoooooosh

ZPO

ZPO

Olympia, WA
July 2004

DEC 15, 2006 10:00 AM

NickFaust said:

ZPO said:
The article definitely seems to leave out a lot of the details. I'm trying to figure out how a government mandated program is going to provide benefits for 46 million (from the posting) additional customers without raising overall costs.

The two-year direct payments to employees also smells a bit suspicious. Trying to lock-in votes before the next election perchance?



They are not 46 million "additional" customers, they are 46 million people who are working and paying taxes. They are people who provide a significant benifit to their employers and the economy and who, in return, are treated as if they have no worth whatsoever.

The issue here is not what we can "afford" to provide, given the staggering cost of not taking care of our citizens. The issue is how will we stop wasting billions and billions of dollars and begin to spend that money on what one of the greatest resources in this country - its human and social capital.




My contention is *NOT* that those 46 million people don't deserve coverage. My contention is that I don't see how those 46 million people can be provided health care coverage without increasing the current costs paid for healthcare.

Assuming the US population at 300M and 46M people without health care coverage, that means the current amount paid is covering 254M people. I don't see how we bring that number up to the whole 300M people without increasing the overall cost or reducing the level of service.

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

DEC 15, 2006 10:14 AM

Raggamuffin said:
Every time I read a news article from SG, it's some conservative, narrow-minded view, always flinging mud in the opposite direction. I think we have a mini-O'Riely (sic) on our hands.

This guy is going to go nowhere in journalism.



WOOOSH!

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

DEC 15, 2006 10:15 AM

Oh, "employed hobos living under the docks" seems to be any oxymoron.

Unless of course you meant to say "employed homos living under docks." Is this a gay rights issue?

Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

DEC 15, 2006 10:27 AM

ZPO said:
My contention is *NOT* that those 46 million people don't deserve coverage. My contention is that I don't see how those 46 million people can be provided health care coverage without increasing the current costs paid for healthcare.

Assuming the US population at 300M and 46M people without health care coverage, that means the current amount paid is covering 254M people. I don't see how we bring that number up to the whole 300M people without increasing the overall cost or reducing the level of service.



Again, I believe the concept is that by providing regular health care for those additional people as well as the people at the bottom of the insured ranks we can mitigate the more extreme costs they generate when they get really sick or visit the ER for something that could have been cheaply dealt with if found sooner. I'm not suggesting that this will magically cause the plan to work, but it's not entirely unfeasible, and providing regular health care for those people won't necessarily add a masive burden.

Rumbler

Rumbler

San Antonio, TX
August 2005

DEC 15, 2006 10:59 AM

I've finally learned to skip the articles written by "fear the reaper" and go straight to the comment page. Now I can use the headline to search for the story on yahoo.

Coliwali

Coliwali

I'm lost
February 2003

DEC 15, 2006 11:34 AM

Vestril said:

ZPO said:
My contention is *NOT* that those 46 million people don't deserve coverage. My contention is that I don't see how those 46 million people can be provided health care coverage without increasing the current costs paid for healthcare.

Assuming the US population at 300M and 46M people without health care coverage, that means the current amount paid is covering 254M people. I don't see how we bring that number up to the whole 300M people without increasing the overall cost or reducing the level of service.



Again, I believe the concept is that by providing regular health care for those additional people as well as the people at the bottom of the insured ranks we can mitigate the more extreme costs they generate when they get really sick or visit the ER for something that could have been cheaply dealt with if found sooner. I'm not suggesting that this will magically cause the plan to work, but it's not entirely unfeasible, and providing regular health care for those people won't necessarily add a masive burden.



It's not just that. We'll also have a pretty incredible savings if we reduce the crazy amount of paper work that is currently demanded by our system. Right now we've got trails of paperwork and accounting and auditing and so forth between all of these groups:



Each of those lines costs money and it's mostly a cost that gets past down to the insurance consumer.

With a single payer system it looks more like this:



Of course that's pretty idealized, there is always room for corruption, incompetence and petty politicking to ruin an otherwise good idea.


Here's a random article that explains in a little more depth

michaeldinwoodie

michaeldinwoodie

I'm lost
June 2005

DEC 15, 2006 12:28 PM

Hi everybody! My name is Michael and I live in a wacky country called Canada. Yes it is a cold country from November to March. We dont put people in jail for smoking marijuana or for commiting homosexual acts of pleasure. Here in Canada we also have free health care! If you are curious how it works you should come up here, (or down here if you live in Alaska) smoke a joint, get a blow job from a gay man and walk into a free hospital!

Sincerly,
Your 'Crazy Canuk 'Friend,
Michael

Mr_muddle1

Mr_muddle1

United Kingdom
March 2004

DEC 15, 2006 12:29 PM

I'm a Brit, our National Heath Service is a giant lumbering beast of a bureaucratic mess. It has issues. Plenty of issues. It costs a fortune (we're talking £96 billion ($187 billion) a year here people). But I'm damn happy and proud that my taxes pay for it. Because I know it's there if and when I should need it, and in the mean time that money is helping other people. From my point of view, I'd rather my money is being used to help other people or even being wasted completely due to incompetence / bureaucracy in the massive NHS system, than paying out monthly to an insurance company. By it's nature a company's primary goal is to earn profit for it's shareholders. Not help people. Who knows what your money is being invested in whilst your paying up, waiting to get ill? Now I know, some of that money is paying other peoples medical bills, but that is not it's primary function now, is it? Or perhaps I've misunderstood how these companies work?

On another British note: Brits love sarcasm. More news should be reported this way.

Domo_Kun

Domo_Kun

Rockford, IL
March 2005

DEC 15, 2006 12:35 PM

Mr_muddle1 said:
I'm a Brit, our National Heath Service is a giant lumbering beast of a bureaucratic mess. It has issues. Plenty of issues. It costs a fortune (we're talking £96 billion ($187 billion) a year here people). But I'm damn happy and proud that my taxes pay for it. Because I know it's there if and when I should need it, and in the mean time that money is helping other people. From my point of view, I'd rather my money is being used to help other people or even being wasted completely due to incompetence / bureaucracy in the massive NHS system, than paying out monthly to an insurance company. By it's nature a company's primary goal is to earn profit for it's shareholders. Not help people. Who knows what your money is being invested in whilst your paying up, waiting to get ill? Now I know, some of that money is paying other peoples medical bills, but that is not it's primary function now, is it? Or perhaps I've misunderstood how these companies work?

On another British note: Brits love sarcasm. More news should be reported this way.



Sarcasm is fun. I loled the minute I saw the communism bit.

thrash242

thrash242

Pearland, TX
September 2004

DEC 15, 2006 12:46 PM

truthbealiar said:
I'm sorry, when did Fox News start writing SG News Reports?

Don't you just love how the right rolls out the whole fear of communism thing for anything they don't like?

NEWSFLASH! America could not survive without socialist programs like social security or welfare. So please give up the red scare bullshit, McCarthy.

"Come on now, lemme hear that dirty word...SOCIALISM!"



Yeah, because SG news is normally sooooooooooo unbiased.

And America could survive just fine without socialist programs. We did so for quite some time.

BTW, the article was sarcastic.

MschfMayhemSoap

MschfMayhemSoap

Phoenix, AZ
April 2006

DEC 15, 2006 12:47 PM

My god.... THINK about it..... if Communism infects our government..... it may soon infect our Video games too....

Look its already started!

thrash242

thrash242

Pearland, TX
September 2004

DEC 15, 2006 12:48 PM

Raggamuffin said:
Every time I read a news article from SG, it's some conservative, narrow-minded view, always flinging mud in the opposite direction. I think we have a mini-O'Riely on our hands.

This guy is going to go nowhere in journalism.



What's the weather like in Bizarro World?

Synthiviper

Synthiviper

Chicago, IL
June 2004

DEC 15, 2006 12:51 PM

thrash242 said:

Raggamuffin said:
Every time I read a news article from SG, it's some conservative, narrow-minded view, always flinging mud in the opposite direction. I think we have a mini-O'Riely on our hands.

This guy is going to go nowhere in journalism.



What's the weather like in Bizarro World?



BIZARROOO!!!

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

DEC 15, 2006 01:13 PM

The plan was slapped down by a prudent and economically sound Republican congress.



BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

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