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  • THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 28 2006 7:00 PM

A Statement of Conscience

My government is supposed to represent me, and as an American citizen, I must accept responsibility for the things my country does in my name. It is with that responsibility in mind that I feel compelled to write the following, not for Congress who have already ignored my calls and letters, but for my own conscience, and for my children, should they one day ask me, "What happened then? Why didn't anyone try to do anything?"

As I write this, the United States Senate is engaged in a bit of political theater, while they pretend to debate whether or not they will make torture an American value. They are pretending to debate whether or not to give one person -- in this case the president -- the ability remove rights that we've all taken for granted under our Constitution for over two centuries from anyone he (or she, someday) identifies, without any accountability or oversight. They are pretending to debate whether our Democracy even matters, any more.

The legislation before the Senate today would ban torture, but let Bush define it; would allow the president to imprison indefinitely anyone he decides falls under a wide-ranging new definition of unlawful combatant; would suspend the Great Writ of habeas corpus; would immunize retroactively those who may have engaged in torture. And that's just for starters. . . .

Today's vote will show more clearly than ever before that, when push comes to shove, the Republicans who control Congress are in lock step behind the president, and the Democrats -- who could block him, if they chose to do so -- are too afraid to put up a real fight.



This is far too much power for one person to have, and is antithetical to everything America and freedom and Democracy stand for. In fact, this is the sort of power that someone like, say, Saddam Hussein had. Or Stalin. Or Pinochet.

Though I've become entirely disgusted with what used to be my government and I don't have a whole lot of faith in the congress or the president to listen to me (actually, I don't have a lot of faith in the president listening to anyone who doesn't tell him exactly what he wants to hear,) I still believe in the underlying principles of Democracy. I still believe that it is the responsibility of every American, whether they feel adequately represented by the current congress or not, to stand up for their beliefs, even when they speak them to deaf ears in the halls of power. Even -- no, especially -- when those beliefs are unpopular.

What the House did yesterday, the Senate looks to do today, and the President will surely enact as soon as possible, is a direct assault on American values, and contrary to everything our country stands for. Though cynically and cowardly enacted as a purely political tool during an election, those who supported this bill do not speak for me, do not act in my name, and do not reflect my values.

Torture is not an American value. Torture is a totalitarian, sadistic value. Suspending access to courts and the right to face your accuser is not what Americans do. It is what tyrannical dictators and despots do, not a democratic republic like the one I was brought up in and love. Time and again, torture has proved unreliable to prevent or solve crimes, and it reduces our country to the level of the very terrorists we are supposedly fighting.

I believe in the right to a speedy and fair trial for everyone, even the most repugnant of defendants. No, especially for the most repugnant of defendants, because if we, as a society, can't guarantee the most hideously accused among us that right, what is it worth to the rest of us?

George Bush and his enablers in the congress -- Democrat and Republican -- has done more damage to our country, and our once impeccable moral standing in the world than all the terrorists combined. President Bush and his Republican allies in congress like to say that "they hate us for our freedom," but President Bush and his Republican allies in congress have spent the last five years working very hard to take that freedom away from the people they supposedly work for, and vest that power in something they call the Unitary Executive. If the Democrats won't stand up to stop torture, what will they stand up for? If Congress won't do its constitutional duty now, then when?

I am disgusted with, and ashamed of my government.

Shame on President Bush. Shame on his Republican allies in congress, and shame on the spineless, cowardly Democrats who did not stand up to them. Shame on them all, and shame on all of us if we do not turn out by the millions in the next election to put men and women into congress who will have the courage to do their constitutional duty, and defend the Republic from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

 

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Dark_Templar

Dark_Templar

Auburn, CA
June 2004

DEC 27, 2006 02:14 AM

We will torture people forever........

Example..........

If there is something I know, that I hold dear to my heart, that I will NEVER tell anyone........... what is the most effective way to make me talk about it............ Torture........ chop off someones arm or fingers and their lips will begin to move. I do not support torture. I think it is barbaric. But it is still the most effective way to make people talk........

Just ask the Mafia wink

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

DEC 27, 2006 03:43 AM

Dark_Templar said:
We will torture people forever........

Example..........

If there is something I know, that I hold dear to my heart, that I will NEVER tell anyone........... what is the most effective way to make me talk about it............ Torture........ chop off someones arm or fingers and their lips will begin to move. I do not support torture. I think it is barbaric. But it is still the most effective way to make people talk........

Just ask the Mafia wink



Bullshit. Torture has been proven to do nothing but produce unreliable information and get the torture victim to say what he/she thinks the torturer wants to hear, regardless of its validity.

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

DEC 27, 2006 05:38 PM

bean said:

Dark_Templar said:
We will torture people forever........

Example..........

If there is something I know, that I hold dear to my heart, that I will NEVER tell anyone........... what is the most effective way to make me talk about it............ Torture........ chop off someones arm or fingers and their lips will begin to move. I do not support torture. I think it is barbaric. But it is still the most effective way to make people talk........

Just ask the Mafia wink



Bullshit. Torture has been proven to do nothing but produce unreliable information and get the torture victim to say what he/she thinks the torturer wants to hear, regardless of its validity.



But, but, but ... Jack Bauer says it works!

Margot_Dent

Margot_Dent

Los Angeles, CA
February 2004

DEC 27, 2006 05:46 PM

skeptik said:

bean said:

Dark_Templar said:
We will torture people forever........

Example..........

If there is something I know, that I hold dear to my heart, that I will NEVER tell anyone........... what is the most effective way to make me talk about it............ Torture........ chop off someones arm or fingers and their lips will begin to move. I do not support torture. I think it is barbaric. But it is still the most effective way to make people talk........

Just ask the Mafia wink



Bullshit. Torture has been proven to do nothing but produce unreliable information and get the torture victim to say what he/she thinks the torturer wants to hear, regardless of its validity.



But, but, but ... Jack Bauer says it works!



WHERE IS MY FAMILY?!

Dark_Templar

Dark_Templar

Auburn, CA
June 2004

DEC 27, 2006 06:30 PM

Margot_Dent said:

skeptik said:

bean said:

Dark_Templar said:
We will torture people forever........

Example..........

If there is something I know, that I hold dear to my heart, that I will NEVER tell anyone........... what is the most effective way to make me talk about it............ Torture........ chop off someones arm or fingers and their lips will begin to move. I do not support torture. I think it is barbaric. But it is still the most effective way to make people talk........

Just ask the Mafia wink



Bullshit. Torture has been proven to do nothing but produce unreliable information and get the torture victim to say what he/she thinks the torturer wants to hear, regardless of its validity.



But, but, but ... Jack Bauer says it works!



WHERE IS MY FAMILY?!



Your family is watching the UCLA game at my house..........

And the US will ALWAYS torture people as long as they think it works wink

Ascanius

Ascanius

USA
October 2006

DEC 27, 2006 07:56 PM

skeptik said:

bean said:

Dark_Templar said:
We will torture people forever........

Example..........

If there is something I know, that I hold dear to my heart, that I will NEVER tell anyone........... what is the most effective way to make me talk about it............ Torture........ chop off someones arm or fingers and their lips will begin to move. I do not support torture. I think it is barbaric. But it is still the most effective way to make people talk........

Just ask the Mafia wink



Bullshit. Torture has been proven to do nothing but produce unreliable information and get the torture victim to say what he/she thinks the torturer wants to hear, regardless of its validity.



But, but, but ... Jack Bauer says it works!



Seriously. You've obviously been sent by "Amnesty Global" Bean.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

DEC 27, 2006 08:01 PM

SomeKid said:

skeptik said:

bean said:

Dark_Templar said:
We will torture people forever........

Example..........

If there is something I know, that I hold dear to my heart, that I will NEVER tell anyone........... what is the most effective way to make me talk about it............ Torture........ chop off someones arm or fingers and their lips will begin to move. I do not support torture. I think it is barbaric. But it is still the most effective way to make people talk........

Just ask the Mafia wink



Bullshit. Torture has been proven to do nothing but produce unreliable information and get the torture victim to say what he/she thinks the torturer wants to hear, regardless of its validity.



But, but, but ... Jack Bauer says it works!



Seriously. You've obviously been sent by "Amnesty Global" Bean.



are you kidding? obviously bean knows a thing or two about torture. i mean, part of his job is to read and moderate the boards, right? ouch.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

DEC 28, 2006 10:08 AM

What's particularly funny is that a guy with the word "Templar" in his screen name is defending the quality of information that can be gotten from torture.

I can only assume that right now he's rimming Baphomet while getting buggered by a huge hairy man who's drinking the blood of an unbaptized infant and trampling on the cross.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

DEC 28, 2006 10:12 AM

Zarth said:
What's particularly funny is that a guy with the word "Templar" in his screen name is defending the quality of information that can be gotten from torture.

I can only assume that right now he's rimming Baphomet while getting buggered by a huge hairy man who's drinking the blood of an unbaptized infant and trampling on the cross.



You make that sound like it's a bad thing. smile

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

DEC 28, 2006 07:57 PM

Zarth said:
What's particularly funny is that a guy with the word "Templar" in his screen name is defending the quality of information that can be gotten from torture.

I can only assume that right now he's rimming Baphomet while getting buggered by a huge hairy man who's drinking the blood of an unbaptized infant and trampling on the cross.



While making a fortune lending money, at interest, to kings and Popes ...

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Oh wait - that one was true

Archangel_M

Archangel_M

Cleveland, OH
May 2005

JAN 22, 2007 06:48 PM

piracy said:
think twice, just in case.

at this point, these sorts of methods may be america's only choice to remain top dog.

i'm not defending it, i'm just saying - i think if you could get a truly honest poll, i think a lot of americans would be okay with whatever kept their gas prices low and their ira afloat.




that's why i hate america.


If you have to resort to torture to "win," you've already lost. And you are defending it, whether you realize it or not. Do me a favor, okay? Think before communicating. This isn't "24," and America in real life is supposed to be the good guy.

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