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Someone in the Bush administration apparently woke up on the right side of the bed yesterday, feeling good despite the environmental hangover any netrual observer would have expected. Not only has the decision been made that the EPA is A-OK and thus all funding for it can take a major slash with little worry about environmental damage, but apparently geothermal and hydroelectric energy are ready to take over all major US power generation, and so we can merrily cut funding for their further development because they're ready to go.

Declaring them "mature technologies" that need no further funding, the Bush administration in its FY 2007 budget request eliminates hydropower and geothermal research, venerable programs with roots in the energy crises of the 1970s.

"What we do well is research and funding of new, novel technologies," says Craig Stevens, chief spokesman for the DOE. "From a policy perspective, geothermal and hydro are mature technologies. We believe the market can take the lead on this at this point."


It's true that research has been ongoing for developing these sorts of technologies for decades, and they have come a long way in that time - though still only represent a minor fraction of the total US generating capacity when compared with polluters like coal, natural gas and nuclear power (until someone comes up with a safe and reliable way to dispose of nuclear waste I'm going to continue classifying it as polluting despite its lack of carbon emissions.) Both geothermal and hydroelectric power have significant factors that make them more attractive to Americans: they're environmentally sounder (though some recent critics have begun to complain about the impact of widespread dams on marine ecosystems) with minimal emissions, and they do not rely on the import of petroleum based products, many of which come from countries hostile to US interests.

The real problem with leaving them in the hands of the free market is that the market really only relies on a single factor to determine efficacy: cost. According to the the DOE's own analysis a modern geothermal power plant is going to bottom out at about five cents per kilowatt-hour. Which, while a good bit below average costs paid by the consumer, is still more than twice what petroleum or nuclear based power generation costs, and four to five times hydroelectric power. Of course, it's unclear whether those estimates include the costs of periodically invading and rebuilding foreign countries in order to ensure a constant supply of petroleum. So while there may be a market niche for geothermal power generation, given the choice between that and cheaper forms, the market will likely stick with the greater profit margin, since national security and environmental impact can only become tangible market forces through government intervention or consumer choice, and even with the limited deregulation of many local power markets consumers are still often limited in what types of power they may choose to pay for.

So it becomes a question of economics. Is it better for the US to continue subsidizing research to develop geothermal energy (hydroelectric seems to be on better footing - though the initial investment of setting up water based generating plants may constitute an insurmountable barrier to investors) or leave it up to the market, which could potentially abandon it in favor of cheaper alternatives with more long term issues. With the current administration it's a no-brainer, environment and national security be damned, if it involves cutting off a government service that some conservatives will inevitably label as a "handout" then it will get done.

There's nothing wrong with developing a technology to the point where it can become viable in the open market and then cutting it loose. Hydroelectric power generation may actually be at this point. But geothermal, while making strides, still has a long way to go, and abandoning this potentially promising technology by letting businesspeople make decisions with repercussions that affect the whole country seems like a bad idea.

 

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MschfMayhemSoap

MschfMayhemSoap

Phoenix, AZ
April 2006

SEP 16, 2006 04:23 PM

I say we build ourselves a city in a mountain with readliy available magma channels for heat.


who's with me? biggrin

abracadabra

abracadabra

Seattle, WA
April 2004

SEP 16, 2006 06:09 PM

don't you see..the terrorists want us to think..this way , we head them off at the pass..texas style...bahhh..yes george..whatever you think is best...bahhhhhh

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

SEP 16, 2006 06:28 PM

Hydroelectric, in terms of dams, is probably not a good idea; it relies on river flow, which will be increasingly uncertain, and its ecological effects can be substantial. If you're talking about tide power, hydro might go a bit further. Ecological effects may be a problem, but given the way things are going in terms of ocean acidification, there won't be any marine ecology left to speak of by the time this technology makes it to market.
Geothermal is definitely good to have.

Both geothermal and tide-hydro are best used in a decentralised way, AFAICT. That may have some bearing on this decision.

Moonrabbit

Moonrabbit

Kingston, ON
February 2005

SEP 16, 2006 06:50 PM

it would also help if people would use a bit less power. I'm sorry if it means fewer fucking christmas lights this year, or haviing to put on a god damned sweater instead of cranking up the heat. How about keeping your house at a tempurature where snotcicles don't form on your nose in the summer?
The bus is cheaper than car insurance every month. How abut walking a few hundred meters on your way to work? Save some oil too.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

SEP 16, 2006 07:05 PM

Moonrabbit said:
it would also help if people would use a bit less power. I'm sorry if it means fewer fucking christmas lights this year, or haviing to put on a god damned sweater instead of cranking up the heat. How about keeping your house at a tempurature where snotcicles don't form on your nose in the summer?
The bus is cheaper than car insurance every month. How abut walking a few hundred meters on your way to work? Save some oil too.



Personally, I think any Christmas lights are too many. But for those who really must, please switch something else off to compensate. It does make sense.

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

SEP 16, 2006 07:13 PM

Moonrabbit said:
it would also help if people would use a bit less power. I'm sorry if it means fewer fucking christmas lights this year, or haviing to put on a god damned sweater instead of cranking up the heat. How about keeping your house at a tempurature where snotcicles don't form on your nose in the summer?
The bus is cheaper than car insurance every month. How abut walking a few hundred meters on your way to work? Save some oil too.



Tree-hugging liberals want to cancel Christmas.

You read it here, first.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Altadena, CA
April 2005

SEP 16, 2006 09:25 PM

MschfMayhemSoap said:
I say we build ourselves a city in a mountain with readliy available magma channels for heat.


who's with me? biggrin



I don't like "lag"forge

biggrin

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Altadena, CA
April 2005

SEP 16, 2006 09:28 PM

From what I understand about our energy problems, it's looking like nuclear energy will be our main source of electrical power in about 20-30 years. Besides the risk of a meltdown, it's green and very efficient. Looks like a necessary evil, as I see it.

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

SEP 16, 2006 09:31 PM

legionnaire said:

It's true that research has been ongoing for developing these sorts of technologies for decades, and they have come a long way in that time - though still only represent a minor fraction of the total US generating capacity when compared with polluters like coal, natural gas and nuclear power (until someone comes up with a safe and reliable way to dispose of nuclear waste I'm going to continue classifying it as polluting despite its lack of carbon emissions.)



Hey, so long as we make it just Nevada's problem, who cares about the nuke waste? I mean, we've got this safe dump they're building there, and all kinds of fudged research studies that prove it'll be perfectly safe at Yucca Mountain.

micahburns

micahburns

San Diego, CA
October 2002

SEP 16, 2006 10:32 PM

Moonrabbit said:
it would also help if people would use a bit less power. I'm sorry if it means fewer fucking christmas lights this year, or haviing to put on a god damned sweater instead of cranking up the heat. How about keeping your house at a tempurature where snotcicles don't form on your nose in the summer?
The bus is cheaper than car insurance every month. How abut walking a few hundred meters on your way to work? Save some oil too.



How do you and Jake Gyllenhaal get electrical power in that tent?

quagmirething

quagmirething

I'm lost
June 2005

SEP 16, 2006 10:32 PM

For more alternative energy forms to come into use it's really "green taxes" that are needed, increasing the cost of undesirable energy forms and giving the others a shot at coming into large scale use. Without this sort of leveling of the playing field geothermal isn't likely to pay off, outside of Iceland.

Good news for being energy independent, but I don't think it'll do much for global warming. All the world's cheap fossil fuels will be still be extracted over the coming decades. In recent years demand hasn't simply increased, the rate of increase has increased.

SirPsychoSexy

SirPsychoSexy

Ridgewood, NJ
January 2004

SEP 17, 2006 12:48 AM

Hahaha
"New and novel technologies"

Renewable energy?? Thats old hat! I want my power to come from the Moon, or Jesus, or the powdered bones of failed mexican border crossers! surreal

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Intercourse, PA
January 2006

SEP 17, 2006 12:53 AM

MschfMayhemSoap said:
I say we build ourselves a city in a mountain with readliy available magma channels for heat.


who's with me? biggrin



On second thought, let us not go to Ironforge, 'tis a silly place.

MschfMayhemSoap

MschfMayhemSoap

Phoenix, AZ
April 2006

SEP 17, 2006 01:04 AM

RudieCantFail said:
On second thought, let us not go to Ironforge, 'tis a silly place.



at least there's no one there to "laugh in your general direction".
biggrin

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Intercourse, PA
January 2006

SEP 17, 2006 01:10 AM

MschfMayhemSoap said:

RudieCantFail said:
On second thought, let us not go to Ironforge, 'tis a silly place.



at least there's no one there to "laugh in your general direction".
biggrin



Tell me about it, when I went to Stormwind they told me that my mother was a hamster, and my father smelt of elderberries!

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