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  • THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 14 2006 11:30 PM

Islamophobic, But Not Anti-Semitic

The election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Pope after the death of John Paul II was met with hesitancy on the part of some because of his history with the Nazi party. The new Pope made a visit to Nazi death camps earlier this year, where even his choice to speak in German raised eyebrows. It would seem that concern was misdirected however, as Benedict XVI's latest controversy surrounds a speech in which he compared Islam and Christianity.

Stressing that they were not his own words, he quoted Emperor Manual II Paleologos of Byzantine, the Orthodox Christian empire which had its capital in what is now the Turkish city of Istanbul.

The emperors words were, he said: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."



With the Pope's scheduled trip to Turkey in November, and Ramadan to start in mere days, the words are ill-timed, to say the least. His words have been called hostile, and Turkey's top religious official has asked for an apology.

Religious leader Ali Badda Kolu said the Pope's comments represented what he called an "abhorrent, hostile and prejudiced point of view".

Whilst Muslims might express their criticism of Islam and of Christianity, he argued, they would never defame the Holy Bible or Jesus Christ.

He said he hoped the Pope's speech did not reflect "hatred in his heart" against Islam.



It's surprising that Benedict XVI wouldn't be more careful in his speech, knowing how closely he's being watched by the world.

 

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PatrickY

PatrickY

Vancouver, WA
December 2003

SEP 14, 2006 11:36 PM

The quote, in and of itself, is rather foolish given that facets of Christianity have frequently indulged in the injection of faith via swordpoint.



Andvari

Andvari

Calgary, AB
April 2005

SEP 14, 2006 11:40 PM

PatrickY said:
The quote, in and of itself, is rather foolish given that facets of Christianity have frequently indulged in the injection of faith via swordpoint.



The principle difference could be cited in the fact that Jesus never called for conversion at swordpoint. I believe that Mohammed did...althought I could easily be proven wrong.

USD1

USD1

Hilo, HI
January 2004

SEP 14, 2006 11:43 PM

So what was his whole speech? I mean, quoting a quote takes the whole thing pretty out of context.

Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

SEP 14, 2006 11:44 PM

It's surprising that Benedict XVI wouldn't be more careful in his speech, knowing how closely he's being watched by the world.



Actually, having loosely followed the new pope's behavior, I'm not all that suprised.

stainedecho

stainedecho

Bloomington, IN
September 2005

SEP 15, 2006 12:01 AM

Andvari said:

PatrickY said:
The quote, in and of itself, is rather foolish given that facets of Christianity have frequently indulged in the injection of faith via swordpoint.



The principle difference could be cited in the fact that Jesus never called for conversion at swordpoint. I believe that Mohammed did...althought I could easily be proven wrong.



Read the Old Testament, it's full of God telling the Israelites to kill other peoples, because they don't believe in him. If you believe in the Trinity, then God is Jesus, is the Spirit, is God.

Doc_Brietz

Doc_Brietz

Fort Sill, OK
January 2006

SEP 15, 2006 12:04 AM

i aint a catholic, but even i agree with the guy. it takes a spitiual sence to understand what he is saying; that being...we already had everything we needed before mohammed came along. given that the pope believes the scriptures, he also knows that anyone who adds to or takes away from what was written will be condemned. i guess being a christian and having almost gotten shot by muslim extremists in afghanistan and iraq has tainted my view of islam. anyone wanna try to give understanding to the popes words? i think he meant well, but was misunderstood. maybe he should knock america. alot of overseas countrys hate us, and that would be more interesting news.

Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

SEP 15, 2006 12:05 AM

stainedecho said:

Andvari said:

PatrickY said:
The quote, in and of itself, is rather foolish given that facets of Christianity have frequently indulged in the injection of faith via swordpoint.



The principle difference could be cited in the fact that Jesus never called for conversion at swordpoint. I believe that Mohammed did...althought I could easily be proven wrong.



Read the Old Testament, it's full of God telling the Israelites to kill other peoples, because they don't believe in him. If you believe in the Trinity, then God is Jesus, is the Spirit, is God.



In theory Christians are supposed to be following the teachings of Jesus primarily.

docrock

docrock

Australia
May 2005

SEP 15, 2006 12:16 AM

It's my firm belief that most religions are responsible for horrific bloodbaths to further there own ends; and more, that so-called holy wars are motivated by territoriality and greed using religion as a pretext.

As for modern conflicts.. when the powers that be aren't claiming that god is behind them, they are claiming that they are on the side of "good" vs "evil".

So in a sense every war ever made has been a "spiritual" war, if you buy into the spin.

God help us...

quagmirething

quagmirething

I'm lost
June 2005

SEP 15, 2006 12:34 AM

Vestril said:
In theory Christians are supposed to be following the teachings of Jesus primarily.


The Cathars were a Christian sect which completely rejected the Old Testament, believing it was the work of the devil. Alas they all died by tripping onto fires and pointy objects.

I've never heard of any other group of Christians who weren't happy to include the OT as the word of God in their bibles. The Gideons sometimes just distribute the NT, but not always.

Coliwali

Coliwali

I'm lost
February 2003

SEP 15, 2006 01:01 AM

Andvari said:

PatrickY said:
The quote, in and of itself, is rather foolish given that facets of Christianity have frequently indulged in the injection of faith via swordpoint.



The principle difference could be cited in the fact that Jesus never called for conversion at swordpoint. I believe that Mohammed did...althought I could easily be proven wrong.



From what I can gather, he didn't. But he did leave enough wiggle room that there is still debate. Like all religious issues it's a bit on the complicated side. Verses like this specifically forbid it. Of course, as seen here not every Muslim agrees with that interpretation.

zoton

zoton

Kuwait
November 2005

SEP 15, 2006 01:09 AM

people in glass houses and all.......

sucka_juice

sucka_juice

I'm lost
August 2006

SEP 15, 2006 01:23 AM

quagmirething said:

Vestril said:
In theory Christians are supposed to be following the teachings of Jesus primarily.


The Cathars were a Christian sect which completely rejected the Old Testament, believing it was the work of the devil. Alas they all died by tripping onto fires and pointy objects.

I've never heard of any other group of Christians who weren't happy to include the OT as the word of God in their bibles. The Gideons sometimes just distribute the NT, but not always.


True Christians believe in the entirety of the bible. Every single word of it. From the perspective of a real christian/Israelite, Jesus came to renew, to reaffirm, to serve as the embodiment of, and to fulfill the promises of the Old Testament, not to "replace" it. By the time the messiah arrived in Israel, the laws of God were no longer being followed by the Israelites. Christ came to disabuse the false teachings of the leaders and further clarify as a living example of what God's purpose for man is - the same as it had always been from creation - questing for forgiveness from sin, acceptance of his laws, seeking purification so that you may be reunited with your creator, and faith that he is alive, he is with you, he is protecting you always.

At least that is the Christ I was raised with. It hurts me to see him and his message abused and discarded so thoroughly.

Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

SEP 15, 2006 01:25 AM

quagmirething said:

Vestril said:
In theory Christians are supposed to be following the teachings of Jesus primarily.


The Cathars were a Christian sect which completely rejected the Old Testament, believing it was the work of the devil. Alas they all died by tripping onto fires and pointy objects.

I've never heard of any other group of Christians who weren't happy to include the OT as the word of God in their bibles. The Gideons sometimes just distribute the NT, but not always.



I must have misunderstood what the word "primarily" meant.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

SEP 15, 2006 01:28 AM

Every single word including the stonings and so forth? And the blatant contradictions in, for example, the four accounts of Christ's resurrection?

sucka_juice

sucka_juice

I'm lost
August 2006

SEP 15, 2006 01:34 AM

malkav11 said:
Every single word including the stonings and so forth?




Did a snake actually talk ? Are we made of dust ? Did we learn because Adam and Eve ate a fruit ? Did a man live in the belly of a whale ?

Much of the bible is allegory and metaphor.

The offenses worthy of "stonings" simply means that they are actions that God does not care for and would rather us not do.

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