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  • MONDAY AUGUST 14 2006 6:00 PM

For Now, A Reprieve in Lebanon

It's been just over a month since Hezbollah's killing and kidnapping of IDF troops in Israel sparked the most intense conflict Lebanon had seen in over a decade. 167 Israelis, 53 of whom were civilians had been killed so far, while 890 Lebanese have been killed, with Israeli alleging 530 of them as Hezbollah fighters but Lebanese claiming most were civilians. Regardless, between the daily rocket barrages on Israeli cities and the overwhelming Israeli military response on southern Lebanon and Beirut much of the country will take a long time to recover.

Today a UN brokered cease fire agreement went into effect, putting a temporary halt to hostilities that both sides have honored, for the most part. But it's not over yet.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Monday that Israel would continue to go after Hezbollah.

"We will continue to pursue them everywhere and at all times," he said in a speech to the Knesset. "We have no intention of asking anyone's permission."

Israel has said it will not leave southern Lebanon until international forces are in place to avoid a "vacuum."

Hezbollah's leader, Hassan Nasrallah, said the militia would consider Israeli troops legitimate targets until they leave, The Associated Press reported.

Two Hezbollah ministers in the Lebanese Cabinet announced Sunday the organization would not disarm south of the Litani River, as called for by the U.N. cease-fire resolution, two sources told CNN.

Monday, Nasrallah declared his militia's conflict with Israel "a strategic and historic victory" for Lebanon.

Earlier, Olmert said Israel's key immediate aims were achieved, but added that the conflict "did not start yesterday, nor will it finish in the foreseeable future. It's a long, hard, arduous, complex fight."


Not to get overly Freudian in an analysis of the personalities stirring this conflict, but there does seem to be an inordinate amount of dick-waving going on between both Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah. Neither side has been particularly fastidious in their targeting of civilians in this conflict, with Hezbollah indiscriminately lobbing over four thousand unguided rockets into Israel, and Israeli jets pounding Lebanese civilian centers (including the Beirut airport) in the hopes of nabbing a Hezbollah fighter or two. So despite the origins of the conflict, which seem to stem from a disproportionate Israeli response to a small Hezbollah incursion and attack on IDF soldiers, neither side can really claim much of a moral high ground at this point. What's clear is that primarily the people living in southern Lebanon have gotten the shit end of the deal in this conflict, as they stand to gain virtually nothing by either side "winning," (as much as it's possible for either side to win,) while it is their homes and businesses and towns that are being destroyed. So at the moment, they're the winners with the halt of hostilities.

 
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mrnonel

mrnonel

Los Angeles, CA
August 2004

AUG 14, 2006 07:05 PM

Speaking of dick-waving, notice that the war started a couple of days after the end of the 2006 FIFA World Cup and the cease fire has gone into effect right before the start of the American football season (NFL exhibition and NCAA collegiate schedule).

I assume the Hezbollah fighters got bored after watching the World Cup so they decided to kipnap a couple of Israeli solders. Israel counter attacked because they were bored too.

The war was good T.V. For television networks there wasn't much sports to watch on TV, with Summer programming fillers like the X-Games, beach vollyball, and the WNBA. So the war boosted TV viewership of the highly coveted demographic group (male, 18-42 years old, middle to high income) and kept the adrenaline flowing from old world football to the new world football.

Since Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is a big football fan and aspires to one day become Commissioner of the NFL, she obviously wanted the war to end before the football season started but wasn't in too much of a hurry for an immediate cease fire. France, after Zidane's disgraceful head butt during the World Cup finals, had to save face so it joined the U.S. in developing the U.N. Security Council's cease fire resolution. Iran is still happy that it's national team went to the World Cup and hasn't yet noticed that the war occurred.

Now if the Lebanese Army and the U.N. peace keeping forces can push Hezbollah back from the "Red Zone" and out of field goal range, maybe we can watch the 2006 football season without any annoying "Middle East in Crisis" news interruptions.

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

AUG 15, 2006 07:30 AM

For Israel to be deemed to have won this war, they would have had to destroy Hizballah or at the very least effectively halted them from launching missiles. They appear to have done neither. This is deemed by many Israelis to not have been a victory, and by most on the other side to have been a victory (regardless of Hizballah's losses, they hung in there and did SOME damage to Israeli troops).

Olmert may not retain his PM very long. If Likud regains the spot, that'd I suppose be the only silver lining here for certain folks around here. Unless it was a REAL WAR they were hoping for. Because the war seems to have changed the map in the Middle East. Israel is no longer seen as being invulnerable. However, it's hard to say whether they'd see it as Israel being beatable in a conventional war or just learning that they could put together their own guerilla force against Israel.

As Iran and neighboring Syria are already behind Hizballah (and Shiite like Hizballah), that'd require them to put it in Lebanon (tricky with the international force), Jordan or Egypt (both U.S.-backed Sunni countries, which is convenient for them). And then there's always new training and backing for Hamas.

Davegeek

davegeek

Trail, BC
December 2005

AUG 15, 2006 12:15 PM

Actually Syria's preodominantly Sunni not Shi'ite. Sorry to nit-pick there.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

AUG 15, 2006 12:23 PM

mrnonel said:
Speaking of dick-waving, notice that the war started a couple of days after the end of the 2006 FIFA World Cup and the cease fire has gone into effect right before the start of the American football season (NFL exhibition and NCAA collegiate schedule).

I assume the Hezbollah fighters got bored after watching the World Cup so they decided to kipnap a couple of Israeli solders. Israel counter attacked because they were bored too.

The war was good T.V. For television networks there wasn't much sports to watch on TV, with Summer programming fillers like the X-Games, beach vollyball, and the WNBA. So the war boosted TV viewership of the highly coveted demographic group (male, 18-42 years old, middle to high income) and kept the adrenaline flowing from old world football to the new world football.

Since Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is a big football fan and aspires to one day become Commissioner of the NFL, she obviously wanted the war to end before the football season started but wasn't in too much of a hurry for an immediate cease fire. France, after Zidane's disgraceful head butt during the World Cup finals, had to save face so it joined the U.S. in developing the U.N. Security Council's cease fire resolution. Iran is still happy that it's national team went to the World Cup and hasn't yet noticed that the war occurred.

Now if the Lebanese Army and the U.N. peace keeping forces can push Hezbollah back from the "Red Zone" and out of field goal range, maybe we can watch the 2006 football season without any annoying "Middle East in Crisis" news interruptions.



Oddly enough, it seems to have distracted a lot of people from the ongoing stupidity in Iraq, as well.

FattyFatty2x4

FattyFatty2x4

Salt Lake City, UT
May 2006

AUG 15, 2006 01:30 PM

Whats going on in Iraq?

Syria
74% Sunni
http://www.worldinfozone.com/country.php?country=Syria#religion

Iran
Roughly 90% Shia
http://www.worldinfozone.com/country.php?country=Iran#religion

Yea I thought those two sects didnt like each other.................

FattyFatty2x4

FattyFatty2x4

Salt Lake City, UT
May 2006

AUG 15, 2006 03:59 PM

I just realized that it doesnt matter what muslim sect they are.....they all hate jews. Like Mel Gibson.

noirkiss3

noirkiss3

Minneapolis, MN
April 2006

AUG 15, 2006 04:43 PM

It may sound like a stupid question, but has it been proven that they were kidnapped, versus captured outside of there borders. And I don't mean just a statement from Israel, which are as reliable as our governments press releases.
I know at the start many news outlets, including the AP, reported they were captured inside Lebanons borders, but the minute Israel put out a statement saying they were kidnapped, many news outlets changed their tune without any basis other than the word of the Israeli's. Being that both the involved parties are pone to propaganda, what does the outside world have as proof?

I remember questioning this at the time but it fell to the wayside as the conflict worsened and concerns of mine fell on other subjects.
Anyone?

Davegeek

davegeek

Trail, BC
December 2005

AUG 15, 2006 05:00 PM

Fattassmofo said:
I just realized that it doesnt matter what muslim sect they are.....they all hate jews. Like Mel Gibson.



I would love to be able to say that they hate Israel and not Jews but that would be inaccurate. Unfortunately Israel has become synonomous with Jewish for some folks. Not to the degree that some feel, with any criticism of Israel being equal to listing Mein Kampf as a fave read. Still a lot of the animosity towards Israel has become rather rabid anti-Semitism.

Davegeek

davegeek

Trail, BC
December 2005

AUG 15, 2006 05:03 PM

noirkiss3 said:
It may sound like a stupid question, but has it been proven that they were kidnapped, versus captured outside of there borders.



It doesn't matter where they were grabbed Israel will call it a kidnapping and Hezbollah will call it capturing. Why? Because "kidnapping" is what criminals and terrorists do and "capturing" is what legitimate combatants at war do. Both sides like to indulge in semantic bullshit while innocent civilians die. Fuck Hezbollah and fuck the Israeli government. Both are warmongers and deserve a toasty brimstone-y afterlife.

Davegeek

davegeek

Trail, BC
December 2005

AUG 15, 2006 05:08 PM

Ah hell fuck Mel Gibson too, it's been decades since he made a good flick.

FattyFatty2x4

FattyFatty2x4

Salt Lake City, UT
May 2006

AUG 15, 2006 05:53 PM

davegeek said:
Ah hell fuck Mel Gibson too, it's been decades since he made a good flick.



Indeed.

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

AUG 15, 2006 09:50 PM

Ah well, substitute Iraq's next gov't for Syria then. Hizballah is a Shia dominated organization, Hassan Nasrallah is their effective leader, and he's a Shiite cleric.

So perhaps Hizballah serves Syria three purposes. It gives them a release valve for their Shia minority, a way to work against Israel in hopes of regaining the Golan Heights, and a way to have a bit more in common with Iran (as opposed to their mostly U.S.-backed Sunni neighbors. Syria is mostly just the conduit for Iranian arms and money to Hizballah in Lebanon.

Some of you may recall the U.S. being allied with the U.S.S.R. and our President asking us to think of Josef Stalin as our "Uncle Joe" while we warred a common enemy. Even though we had militarily occupied a portion of that country after it's formation.

Given Hizballah's relative success (or more accurately, their lack of complete failure) in this endeavor, it's entirely possible that they might gain some props from Sunnis around the area.

Davegeek

davegeek

Trail, BC
December 2005

AUG 16, 2006 10:28 AM

Yeah the allegiance between Hezbollah and Syria is very much one of conveinience mostly to accomplish the second objective you laid out. Additionally they serve as a de-stabilizing force in Lebanese politics which provides Syria with justification to directly involve itself through directly occupying Lebanese territory.

Plus the Syrians do try to do the pan-Arab non-sectarian thing so the Shia/Sunni divide is something they try to claim has no bearing. Also you are absolutely bang-on in pointing out that Syria is largely out of step with the rest of the Arab governments who have cozied up to the US (presumably to avoid the fate of Saddam).