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  • SATURDAY JULY 15 2006 3:00 PM

Bush’s Stupidity May Cause Head to Implode

Our great leader is currently in Russia attending the G-8 conference. He took some time out of pretending to know what was going on in the meetings to hold a joint news conference with Putin. It did not go well. Here’s what born-again Christian Bush had to say:


"I talked about my desire to promote institutional change in parts of the world, like Iraq where there's a free press and free religion, and I told him that a lot of people in our country would hope that Russia would do the same.”


Nice. Deluded, uninformed and insulting all in one sentence. Here are some examples of the freedom of religion that has occurred in Iraq in the last week:


Shiite militiamen set up checkpoints, inspected ID cards and killed 42 people they identified as being Sunnis. They also broke into homes and killed their inhabitants. Corpses were found in the street with drill holes and pierced by nails and bolts. In turn, the checkpoint killings spurred two more huge Sunni car bomb attacks in the Sadr-dominated neighborhood of Talbiyeh, killing 25 and wounding 41.



In a predominantly Sunni area of Dawra, a district in southern Baghdad, gunmen ambushed a bus carrying Shiite mourners from the holy city of Najaf, where they had buried a relative, government officials and family members said. The gunmen pulled 10 people from the bus and executed them, the Interior Ministry official said.



Two mortar grenades hit a Shiite mosque in Dawra, killing 9 and wounding 11 civilians, the Interior Ministry official said.



In other violence, a family of five - a father, mother, grown daughter and two teenage sons - were found beheaded in a predominantly Sunni sector of Dawra, according to an official at Yarmouk Hospital, the main medical facility in western Baghdad.



The killings this week are similar to the "Black Saturday" massacre in December 1975 that started the Lebanese civil war. On that day, Christian Phalangist militiamen stopped 40 Muslims at a checkpoint in Beirut and cut their throats. In retaliation, Muslim militiamen set up their own checkpoint and slaughtered Christians. Things in Lebanon did not go so well after that.

So what was Putin's response to religious fanatic George Bush's statement? He handled it like a man talking down to a child.


"We certainly would not want to have the same kind of democracy that they have in Iraq, quite honestly."


Those in the audience who understand Russian then burst into laughter.

 

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DanTheGreater

DanTheGreater

Anacortes, WA
November 2004

JUL 16, 2006 07:08 PM

chainlink said:

DanTheGreater said:

I understand your point but look at history for a minute. It took TEN YEARS to stop the nazi insurgency in post WW II Germany. And how long after that before Germany became a proper democracy? This stuff is never easy.



Oh and Dan , I'd also like to point out this big fat fucking lie before we put your herring to rest.

There was no insurgency in post WWII Germany. Not even a glimmer of a movement like in Iraq. Not even close. There were the Werewolves Units but the Werewolves were a suicide squads used at the tail end of the war, they were active in the Battle of the Bulge, not after it. They tried insurgency but it never got off the ground.

if you'd like to know more about them look it up. Mr history class

Come back sometime when you've had your brain installed Dan.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled program . . .

Bush, the embarrasing idiot



I will happily admit that my only source on the German insurgency was an episode of "Secrets of WWII" on the History Channel. I have seen it twice and it is very interesting. As far as I know the History Channel is very good with it's research and you can generaly trust it's content. That being said it is my only source, if anyone else has any other info on this point please share it.

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Batavia, IL
January 2005

JUL 16, 2006 07:17 PM

DanTheGreater said:

chainlink said:

DanTheGreater said:

I understand your point but look at history for a minute. It took TEN YEARS to stop the nazi insurgency in post WW II Germany. And how long after that before Germany became a proper democracy? This stuff is never easy.



Oh and Dan , I'd also like to point out this big fat fucking lie before we put your herring to rest.

There was no insurgency in post WWII Germany. Not even a glimmer of a movement like in Iraq. Not even close. There were the Werewolves Units but the Werewolves were a suicide squads used at the tail end of the war, they were active in the Battle of the Bulge, not after it. They tried insurgency but it never got off the ground.

if you'd like to know more about them look it up. Mr history class

Come back sometime when you've had your brain installed Dan.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled program . . .

Bush, the embarrasing idiot



I will happily admit that my only source on the German insurgency was an episode of "Secrets of WWII" on the History Channel. I have seen it twice and it is very interesting. As far as I know the History Channel is very good with it's research and you can generaly trust it's content. That being said it is my only source, if anyone else has any other info on this point please share it.



so those shows on Atlantis and the Bible Code are true!? awesome!

caellum

caellum

Denver, CO
July 2004

JUL 16, 2006 08:23 PM

DanTheGreater said:

Subrosa said:
Absolutely. Of course, there are also dozens and dozens of others. Any one of which would have been a better comparison for Bush to make than Iraq, which is an unmitigated clusterfuck and not especially in a position to be promoting either core value effectively (as shown in the examples in FTR's original post).

In other words, it's not the fact that Bush was touting freedom of speech and freedom of religion to foriegn soveriengns that makes him look stupid. It's the example he chose to do so. No one but a total mouth-breathing neathderthal would hold Iraq aloft as the paragon of freedom in this day and age.



I understand your point but look at history for a minute. It took TEN YEARS to stop the nazi insurgency in post WW II Germany. And how long after that before Germany became a proper democracy? This stuff is never easy.




Are you really comparing post-WWII Germany and Iraq? Stop sniffing glue.

bones_708

bones_708

Houston, TX
December 2004

JUL 17, 2006 06:58 AM

caellum said:

DanTheGreater said:

Subrosa said:
Absolutely. Of course, there are also dozens and dozens of others. Any one of which would have been a better comparison for Bush to make than Iraq, which is an unmitigated clusterfuck and not especially in a position to be promoting either core value effectively (as shown in the examples in FTR's original post).

In other words, it's not the fact that Bush was touting freedom of speech and freedom of religion to foriegn soveriengns that makes him look stupid. It's the example he chose to do so. No one but a total mouth-breathing neathderthal would hold Iraq aloft as the paragon of freedom in this day and age.



I understand your point but look at history for a minute. It took TEN YEARS to stop the nazi insurgency in post WW II Germany. And how long after that before Germany became a proper democracy? This stuff is never easy.




Are you really comparing post-WWII Germany and Iraq? Stop sniffing glue.



It didn't take even close to as long and the level was never even close to what we are experiencing in Iraq. Of course Iraq wasn't defeated after 7 years of war with extreme casualties like Germany. They also didn't have neighbors supplying men and equipment. You didn't see the racial tensions. And of course back then the military would of stamped down harder than anything we are willing to except making it much less likely to have any significant resistance.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

JUL 17, 2006 10:40 AM

I think Bush has a simple, direct folk wisdom.

For example, speaking to Tony Blair about the UN:

"What they need to do is to get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit and it's over." George Bush, G8 meeting.



from BBC

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 17, 2006 11:02 AM

uptight said:
I think Bush has a simple, direct folk wisdom.

For example, speaking to Tony Blair about the UN:

"What they need to do is to get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit and it's over." George Bush, G8 meeting.



from BBC



yeah totally simple.

Simple, like ride the little bus and wear your chin strap Georgie simple.
It's very endearing whatever

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JUL 17, 2006 11:26 AM

uptight said:
I think Bush has a simple, direct folk wisdom.

For example, speaking to Tony Blair about the UN:

"What they need to do is to get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit and it's over." George Bush, G8 meeting.



from BBC



And that's why Israel is bombing the country that gave Syria the boot? Great logic!!

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

JUL 17, 2006 11:53 AM

PointBlank said:
And that's why Israel is bombing the country that gave Syria the boot? Great logic!!



well that and the fact that Israel is prejudiced against psychopathic Jihadist death legions, jealous of all their Iranian weapons and, for some reason, just didn't like Hezbollah popping over to kill some Israel soldiers and kidnap a couple more.


PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JUL 17, 2006 11:56 AM

uptight said:

PointBlank said:
And that's why Israel is bombing the country that gave Syria the boot? Great logic!!



well that and the fact that Israel is prejudiced against psychopathic Jihadist death legions, jealous of all their Iranian weapons and, for some reason, just didn't like Hezbollah popping over to kill some Israel soldiers and kidnap a couple more.




Well, that's fine. And I'd have no problem with them going directly after Hezbollah, but destroying the infrastructure, bombing Beirut, and killing innocent civilians isn't the way to do it. I think, in general, Israel has had the moral high ground (especially of late, before all this happened)...but this is CLEARLY a case of overreaction.

Aren't you at all concerned that this tactic (forget morality or "who is right" or whatever for a second) is destined to hurt, and not help Israel? I sure would be. It seems like a collossal mistake by a civilian government trying to act tough.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

JUL 17, 2006 01:35 PM

You are falling under the collective delussion that Lebanon bears no responsibility for Hezbollah, that it is possible for Israel to get rid of Hezbollah without striking targets in Lebanon and that Israel is acting like Team America and bombing anything that moves regardless.

It's just crap.

DanTheGreater

DanTheGreater

Anacortes, WA
November 2004

JUL 17, 2006 06:19 PM

oyaji said:

Yes, fantastic. His big "roadmap" for peace in the middle east is to blow shit up and convince one party to the conflict to give up. That's bound to fix things any day now.

This administration is displaying its utter lack of imagination and leadership w/r/t the current intensification of the Arab-Israeli conflict much as it has with 9/11 and Katrina. The question that remains is will the legacy of this most recent manifestation of incompetence and fecklessness be as catastrophic as in the first two instances I mentioned.

Only time will tell.



The Middle East will never see peace as long as Hezbollah and Hamas exist(as they are today) period.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUL 17, 2006 06:25 PM

Subrosa said:

DanTheGreater said:

Subrosa said:
Absolutely. Of course, there are also dozens and dozens of others. Any one of which would have been a better comparison for Bush to make than Iraq, which is an unmitigated clusterfuck and not especially in a position to be promoting either core value effectively (as shown in the examples in FTR's original post).

In other words, it's not the fact that Bush was touting freedom of speech and freedom of religion to foriegn soveriengns that makes him look stupid. It's the example he chose to do so. No one but a total mouth-breathing neathderthal would hold Iraq aloft as the paragon of freedom in this day and age.



I understand your point but look at history for a minute. It took TEN YEARS to stop the nazi insurgency in post WW II Germany. And how long after that before Germany became a proper democracy? This stuff is never easy.



And how exactly does that make Iraq a good example of a government that upholds the principles of freedom of speech and religion in modern society?



Still waiting for an answer to this question, Dan. This is the third time I've asked it.

DanTheGreater

DanTheGreater

Anacortes, WA
November 2004

JUL 17, 2006 06:37 PM

Subrosa said:

Subrosa said:

And how exactly does that make Iraq a good example of a government that upholds the principles of freedom of speech and religion in modern society?



Still waiting for an answer to this question, Dan. This is the third time I've asked it.



OK, back to the point. As far as I can tell from reading Bush's quote he was saying that the US is helping to create and promote freedom around the world in places like Iraq and that many Americans wish Russia would promote freedom also. I do not think that he is saying Iraq is the pinnacle of democratic freedom. That's how I read it anyway.

DanTheGreater

DanTheGreater

Anacortes, WA
November 2004

JUL 17, 2006 06:42 PM

oyaji said:

DanTheGreater said:

oyaji said:

Yes, fantastic. His big "roadmap" for peace in the middle east is to blow shit up and convince one party to the conflict to give up. That's bound to fix things any day now.

This administration is displaying its utter lack of imagination and leadership w/r/t the current intensification of the Arab-Israeli conflict much as it has with 9/11 and Katrina. The question that remains is will the legacy of this most recent manifestation of incompetence and fecklessness be as catastrophic as in the first two instances I mentioned.

Only time will tell.



The Middle East will never see peace as long as Hezbollah and Hamas exist(as they are today) period.



If you say so, Dan.

Since these are organization with deep support through all stratas of Lebanese and Palestinian society, respectively, your statement seems to preclude making any progress in the problem for the foreseeable future. This is unacceptable. It's called lack of imagination and incompetence. Period.



It's called being realistic.

DanTheGreater

DanTheGreater

Anacortes, WA
November 2004

JUL 17, 2006 06:44 PM


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