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  • SATURDAY JUNE 17 2006 10:00 AM

Depends on the Definition of "Rape Rooms"

Tags: torture, Iraq

To those who share the administration's torture fetish, the following revelation will be met with yet another round of "why is this bad again?," but even if torture = good, it's certainly a bit inconsistent with our stated goals:

President Bush (1/12/04):

And the job is getting done. Iraq is more free every day. The citizens are beginning -- the lives of the citizens are improving every day. And one thing is for certain; there won't be any more mass graves and torture rooms and rape rooms. The tyrant will no longer come back to threaten the Iraqi people. These people will be able to live in -- these Iraqi citizens will not only be able to live in a free society, they'll be able to live in a society that is free from one of the most brutal dictators in the world's history.



Washington Post (6/16/06):

In an interview this week, Deputy Prime Minister Salam al-Zobaie, the top Sunni Arab in Iraq's new government, showed photographs taken from one recent inspection of an Interior Ministry detention center. An inmate in one of the photos held out his misshapen, limp hands for the camera. The man's hands had been broken in a beating, Zobaie said. Other inmates showed massive, dark bruises on their skin; one bore a large, open infected sore.

Inmates in another photo clustered around chains hung from the middle of one of the crowded cells. The chains were used to hoist prisoners by their bound hands, Zobaie said. The practice, noted frequently in inspection reports of Interior Ministry detention centers, often results in the dislocation of prisoners' shoulders.
[...]
On Saturday, a group of parliament members paid a surprise visit to a detention facility run by the Interior Ministry in Baqubah, north of Baghdad. "We have found terrible violations of the law," said Muhammed al-Dayni, a Sunni parliament member who said as many as 120 detainees were packed into a 35-by-20-foot cell. "They told us that they've been raped," Dayni said. "Their families were called in and tortured to force the detainees to testify against other people."

"The detention facilities of the ministries of Defense and Interior are places for the most brutal human rights abuse," he added.



Our policy of freedom and democracy promotion seems to consist of "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." Certainly a proud day to be an American.

 

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BurningKrome

BurningKrome

San Jose, CA
April 2005

JUN 18, 2006 10:41 AM

Reaver said:
Man....


We just so built that new government! Goddammit, now we have to have regime change again, who can we replace these iraqis with?


I've got it!! All the illegal immigrants!!

(It was just so obvious we must have missed it before...)

;-p

CheshireCat

CheshireCat

Los Angeles, CA
January 2004

JUN 18, 2006 02:41 PM



BurningKrome said : something to debate


If you follow one of the links I gave it details how the Pentagon actually has a handbook for torture which was given out to Latin american. There was never proof of this until recently and until then it was speculation that america would train mini dictators on torture technique.Ok your right ;because of insufficient data on this particular thread one could only assume that the same thing has been done here.But as the other links I provided show;the United States has held its actions above the law when it comes to torture .So one must surely guess that while the media and U.S. administration publicly scorn these acts they are not doing anything because they see it as a necessary means and are answering to no one and ignoring the Geneva code. You are not going to get a video of President Bush hitting a prisoner with a stick which is what you seem to want.But its fairly evident that approval of rape and torture is approved of in these prisons. The URL I added is about eight comments above.

BurningKrome

BurningKrome

San Jose, CA
April 2005

JUN 18, 2006 09:37 PM

CheshireCat said:


BurningKrome said : something to debate


If you follow one of the links I gave it details how the Pentagon actually has a handbook for torture which was given out to Latin american. There was never proof of this until recently and until then it was speculation that america would train mini dictators on torture technique.Ok your right ;because of insufficient data on this particular thread one could only assume that the same thing has been done here.But as the other links I provided show;the United States has held its actions above the law when it comes to torture .So one must surely guess that while the media and U.S. administration publicly scorn these acts they are not doing anything because they see it as a necessary means and are answering to no one and ignoring the Geneva code. You are not going to get a video of President Bush hitting a prisoner with a stick which is what you seem to want.But its fairly evident that approval of rape and torture is approved of in these prisons. The URL I added is about eight comments above.


I agree with what you are saying, and the links are valid.

So we have decided (as individuals and/or Americans) that, since it appears the U.S. government is guilty of torture in Iraq...then the U.S. government is guilty of ALL torture that occurs in Iraq?

Wolfmaen

Wolfmaen

Roswell, GA
May 2004

JUN 19, 2006 01:12 PM

KhillerKitten said:
One day I will transform into a large fire and slowly consume this entire world in flames



i love you

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