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  • MONDAY MAY 22 2006 10:00 AM

They Should Have Called it an Irony Snare

As the President seeks to distract attention away from one war against brown people (Iraqis) to another (immigrants), his pals in Congress are pulling out all the stops. Last week, the Senate passed amendments designed to make English the "national language" and the "unifying language" of the United States. Over the years, there have been many attempts to do this, but with half of Republicans in a xenophobic froth these days, we're closer than ever to federally-mandated English. (For the President's own sake, implementation should be delayed until January 2009.)

Winning votes through racism is old hat, but the language debate has produced one of the finest examples of irony in the Bush age. After the Senate amendments passed, White House press secretary Tony Snow said:

"...what has come out of that is a description of English as the national language. And I think — and we have supported both of these.



But Bush's Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales on Friday had a different take:

"The president has never supported making English the national language."



And how did the White House reconcile opposing statements on language from two prominent administration officials?

Later on Friday, the White House weighed in to clarify Gonzales' remarks, saying the President does not believe in English as an "official" language.

"The attorney general got caught in a linguistic snare. He took 'national' language to mean what we describe as 'official' language.



Maybe it isn't such a good idea to elevate English when the Attorney General can't differentiate between "national" and "official," and when the White House press operation can't avoid the hilarious pratfall that is explaining the confusion with the phrase "linguistic snare."

 

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FrankMask

FrankMask

Saint Paul, MN
June 2003

MAY 22, 2006 04:07 PM

thestral said:
It's about damned time. Cultural diversity is great but compartmentalizing the nation isn't. Without some agreed upon language for communication there's no way for us to SHARE our culture with one another.



Learn Spanish. And Japanese. And Korean. And French. And Russian.

Does speaking only one language strike anyone else as fundamentally limiting? And kind of embarassing, given how many places throughout history have been multi-lingual?

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

MAY 22, 2006 04:34 PM

RockabillyRev said:
I do beleive that English won out over German as our National Language. Won by two votes if I remember correctly. It was either the Third or Fourth Continental Congress. But then again., anything else written by those wacky guys in the late 1700's has already been watered down and shit on anyway. Especially our Bill Of Rights.


Actually, that's a myth, which has unfortunately been receiving a lot of airplay recently.

Ain't Snopes great?
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Nokturn

Nokturn

United Kingdom
April 2006

MAY 22, 2006 04:43 PM

Well, if English is gonna be the national language, Bush better start learning it now! skull

Nokturn

Nokturn

United Kingdom
April 2006

MAY 22, 2006 04:48 PM

(And surely Iraqis don't consider themselves to be 'brown people'. I don't think they have any kind of solidarity with afro-american, african people and so on...)
Its the growth of the Spanish language they seem to oppose, and Mexicans aren't considered brown are they???
I dunno. Semantics. skull

joshuaheretic

joshuaheretic

Urbana, IL
December 2004

MAY 22, 2006 07:37 PM

The news post makes it seem as if Alberto Gonzalez is espousing things contrary to the Administration's official line. However, I think that in reality the White House is very conflicted on the subject of immigration. Bush has been very strong with latino/a voters up to this point, but the GOP's immigration strategies and bullshit stunts like this are alienating them. But a lack of decisive (anti-)immigration strategy is alienating the party base of middle-aged white conservative men. The GOP is pissed at Bush, so they'd much rather concentrate on immigration than on the fiasco in Iraq. But Bush wants to save his political capital with the latino/a voters, so he's actually trying to concentrate on Iraq so that he doesn't have to pick sides in the immigration debate. Gonzalez was probably saying what he thought was the White House line, and then the Administration backpedaled in order to not take sides.

It's kind of pathetic. You've gotta love anything that can rip the GOP voting block asunder like idiotic douchebaggery like the "National Language" Bill, which indidentally contains no power of actual enforcement for said bill.

Also, America should not have a national language. I've had this debate with my Mom time and again, so I won't get into it here. But it goes against the idea of what this country is.

joshuaheretic

joshuaheretic

Urbana, IL
December 2004

MAY 22, 2006 07:38 PM

Aw crap.

[Edited on May 22, 2006 9:39PM]

bones_708

bones_708

Houston, TX
December 2004

MAY 22, 2006 08:29 PM

Frank said:

thestral said:
It's about damned time. Cultural diversity is great but compartmentalizing the nation isn't. Without some agreed upon language for communication there's no way for us to SHARE our culture with one another.



Learn Spanish. And Japanese. And Korean. And French. And Russian.

Does speaking only one language strike anyone else as fundamentally limiting? And kind of embarassing, given how many places throughout history have been multi-lingual?


Fuck that I have enough trouble with one language wink

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

MAY 22, 2006 08:32 PM

Crivelli said:
'Anglo' would be a better description of what Americans commonly speak. Sort of like English but not quite.



Oh right, like what they speak in Manchester is "English."

[Edited on May 22, 2006 by NickFaust]

aegies

aegies

Oakland, CA
June 2004

MAY 23, 2006 01:07 AM

thestral said:
It's about damned time. Cultural diversity is great but compartmentalizing the nation isn't. Without some agreed upon language for communication there's no way for us to SHARE our culture with one another.



i'm kind of thinking that maybe, you know, we should try to develop a culture before we go trying to spread it around.

Crivelli

Crivelli

United Kingdom
January 2005

MAY 23, 2006 02:28 AM

NickFaust said:
Oh right, like what they speak in Manchester is "English."


It's a regional dialect but it's still English. You could say the same of Scousers, people from Yorkshire, the West Country, Brummies, cockerneys. When it comes to spelling (colour) and pronunciation (tw@*) then it's English.

smile



*not being rude but I just think it's pretty funny/irritating to hear people pronounce it 'twot'

abracadabra

abracadabra

Seattle, WA
April 2004

MAY 23, 2006 02:59 AM

whatever...anything to deflect from reality huh?...as the nation goes bankrupt , let's make some things clear...a national language..great , the deficit just got smaller and everyone has affordable healthcare and teachers get more money...riiiiiight...meanwhile , declare war on the poor and keep the news machine rolling spewing out garbage no one cares about...our slogan should be..."america..destroyer of cultures at home or abroad..you choose" puke ...have a wonderful day biggrin

[Edited on May 23, 2006 by razorbladesonata]

Wolfmaen

Wolfmaen

Roswell, GA
May 2004

MAY 23, 2006 10:27 AM

aegies said:
i'm kind of thinking that maybe, you know, we should try to develop a culture before we go trying to spread it around.



We kinda do have a culture. It's represented to the outside world by the likes of Nike, McDonalds, and Britney Spears. Now you begin to see why Western "culture" is considered a pernicious infection in many places worldwide...

aegies

aegies

Oakland, CA
June 2004

MAY 23, 2006 02:39 PM

Wolfmaen said:

aegies said:
i'm kind of thinking that maybe, you know, we should try to develop a culture before we go trying to spread it around.



We kinda do have a culture. It's represented to the outside world by the likes of Nike, McDonalds, and Britney Spears. Now you begin to see why Western "culture" is considered a pernicious infection in many places worldwide...



we don't have culture. we have consumerism and elements of culture. every attempt in this country to build a unique identifying culture has been shit on by the same kinds of people who want to declare a "unifying" national language now: social conservatives who are against any public investment in the arts whatsoever, and fundamentalist religious organizations that feel that the arts are a worship of the earthly self, and godless. the only kind of culture those groups support is a religious one, and in a religion where celebratory imagery or music is more or less blasphemy, that's really not much a culture at all. britney spears isn't culture; she's a corporate distraction for the huddled masses from things that actually matter.

wendoo

wendoo

United Kingdom
February 2006

MAY 23, 2006 05:06 PM

Crivelli said:

NickFaust said:
Oh right, like what they speak in Manchester is "English."


It's a regional dialect but it's still English. You could say the same of Scousers, people from Yorkshire, the West Country, Brummies, cockerneys. When it comes to spelling (colour) and pronunciation (tw@*) then it's English.

smile

*not being rude but I just think it's pretty funny/irritating to hear people pronounce it 'twot'




Indeed. Not all Mancunians speak with that broad stereotyped accent of "Know wot ahm sayin innit." I have been 'accused' of being from Yorkshire and America before oddly enough.
However my well spoken Irish boyfriend takes the piss out of me because I once said "gets chippy..." that is a bit Manc.
What I find worse is people thinking that "glass" is said "glaaarse." *Cringe*

[Edited on May 23, 2006 by wendoo]

Max16Characters

Max16Characters

Korea, Republic Of
March 2003

MAY 24, 2006 06:51 AM

I fail to see how making English the national language is racist.

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