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They Should Have Called it an Irony Snare

MONDAY MAY 22 2006 10:00 AM

As the President seeks to distract attention away from one war against brown people (Iraqis) to another (immigrants), his pals in Congress are pulling out all the stops. Last week, the Senate passed amendments designed to make English the "national language" and the "unifying language" of the United States. Over the years, there have been many attempts to do this, but with half of Republicans in a xenophobic froth these days, we're closer than ever to federally-mandated English. (For the President's own sake, implementation should be delayed until January 2009.)

Winning votes through racism is old hat, but the language debate has produced one of the finest examples of irony in the Bush age. After the Senate amendments passed, White House press secretary Tony Snow said:

"...what has come out of that is a description of English as the national language. And I think — and we have supported both of these.



But Bush's Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales on Friday had a different take:

"The president has never supported making English the national language."



And how did the White House reconcile opposing statements on language from two prominent administration officials?

Later on Friday, the White House weighed in to clarify Gonzales' remarks, saying the President does not believe in English as an "official" language.

"The attorney general got caught in a linguistic snare. He took 'national' language to mean what we describe as 'official' language.



Maybe it isn't such a good idea to elevate English when the Attorney General can't differentiate between "national" and "official," and when the White House press operation can't avoid the hilarious pratfall that is explaining the confusion with the phrase "linguistic snare."

 

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solaris1622

solaris1622

Thousand Oaks, CA
March 2005

MAY 22, 2006 10:13 AM

Yes, that's the United States, allright. We're always out to put Brown people down, whereever we can find them.

We should change our national symbol from the bald eagle to the Rug Doctor...
"Steaming mad at Brown people."

Don't be fooled by the significant administration roles played by Browns, including Alberto Gonzales and Condeleeza Rice...rest assured that Bush's pet names for them are "Token Brown #1", "Token Brown #2", etc.

solaris1622

solaris1622

Thousand Oaks, CA
March 2005

MAY 22, 2006 10:24 AM

Double post. F Gore.

[Edited on May 22, 2006 10:26AM]

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Intercourse, PA
January 2006

MAY 22, 2006 10:53 AM

I thought English was the 'official' language of the United States; or is it simply the defacto language because there is no 'official' language?
However, as someone who study linguistics, and multiple languages, I do believe it is necessary for a modern nation-state to have a single official language for ease of commerce, as well as official government postings. Now whether this language be English or Spanish in the case of the United States, well honestly I say neither. English is generally regarded as the hardest language to be learned as a second language. This is due to the fact that English is linguistically descended from to very different linguistic families, germanic, and latinate. English began as a germanic language and was taken to England by the germanic Angles and Saxons. This is where most of our most basic grammar and linguisitic idioms come from. Ever wonder about the old 'never end a sentence with a preposition' (as I just did in the previous one) yet everyone seems to do it when speaking? That's because in germanic languages these are seperable-prefix verbs, and perfectly normal and grammatically correct. However when the Normans invaded England in 1066, the French language began to exert influence on the Englich language, and such grammatical usage is improper in latinate languages. So you see English has two very different main influences, not to mention minor influences from Celtic languages and Greek.
Spanish on the other hand, while preserving mainly a latinate influence does suffer from mind boggling complexities at the more advanced levels (I gave up trying to keep all the grammatical tenses strait when we got to the subjunctive).
So what language should we be using? I really don't know, I still haven't found that 'perfect language' yet. I can say that the best and most phoenetically accurate writing system I've seen so far is Korean.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

MAY 22, 2006 11:08 AM

It's the language the majority of Americans understand the best. We have no official language as a nation. (Though apparently something like half the states have English or English and another language as official languages.)

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Intercourse, PA
January 2006

MAY 22, 2006 11:36 AM

malkav11 said:
It's the language the majority of Americans understand the best. We have no official language as a nation. (Though apparently something like half the states have English or English and another language as official languages.)



Ah, see there's a legal loophole. If individual states have official languages, then by precedent, it falls to the states to set standards regarding language and usage. If this measure passes, then theoretically it could be struct down on the grounds of unconstutionality.

Crivelli

Crivelli

United Kingdom
January 2005

MAY 22, 2006 11:42 AM

'Anglo' would be a better description of what Americans commonly speak. Sort of like English but not quite.

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Intercourse, PA
January 2006

MAY 22, 2006 11:45 AM

Crivelli said:
'Anglo' would be a better description of what Americans commonly speak. Sort of like English but not quite.



No Anglo would seem to indicate a more ancient dialect, such as 'Anglo-Saxon'.
What a lot of US citizens would answer when asked what language they speak, "I speak American!"

bones_708

bones_708

Houston, TX
December 2004

MAY 22, 2006 11:47 AM

RudeBoy99 said:

malkav11 said:
It's the language the majority of Americans understand the best. We have no official language as a nation. (Though apparently something like half the states have English or English and another language as official languages.)



Ah, see there's a legal loophole. If individual states have official languages, then by precedent, it falls to the states to set standards regarding language and usage. If this measure passes, then theoretically it could be struct down on the grounds of unconstutionality.


There is no constitutional argument here. That states do it (designate an official language) doesn't mean that the feds can't also.

Eiron

Eiron

Buffalo, NY
May 2006

MAY 22, 2006 12:49 PM

Having English as an official language does not coincide with the American image of "the pioneer"; We Need Esperanto.

thestral

thestral

Manassas, VA
August 2005

MAY 22, 2006 01:02 PM

It's about damned time. Cultural diversity is great but compartmentalizing the nation isn't. Without some agreed upon language for communication there's no way for us to SHARE our culture with one another.

TheG

TheG

Somerville, MA
February 2004

MAY 22, 2006 01:36 PM

bones_708 said:

RudeBoy99 said:

malkav11 said:
It's the language the majority of Americans understand the best. We have no official language as a nation. (Though apparently something like half the states have English or English and another language as official languages.)



Ah, see there's a legal loophole. If individual states have official languages, then by precedent, it falls to the states to set standards regarding language and usage. If this measure passes, then theoretically it could be struct down on the grounds of unconstutionality.


There is no constitutional argument here. That states do it (designate an official language) doesn't mean that the feds can't also.



Actually, in a technical sense, it does mean that. Unless a Constitutional ammendment is passed to state otherwise, all powers not expressly given to the Feds in the Constitution are reserved solely for the states. There are plenty of instances where the Feds have gotten around this before, but this is at least how it is supposed to work.

camdenroad

camdenroad

I'm lost
November 2004

MAY 22, 2006 02:00 PM

i disagree with the "brown people" remark. USA has slaughtered white people in WWii by the thousand. white countries slaughter all sorts of people, the "brown people" remark is provocative without being useful. A lot of white countries have, only recently in many cases, become liberal democracies that do not tend to go to war with each other. the cold war threatened nuclear distruction of the USSR (and pretty much everywhere else) which was not a brown people place". Seeing the world as the remark suggests has in my opinion become preducial and fatuous

Crivelli

Crivelli

United Kingdom
January 2005

MAY 22, 2006 02:02 PM

Is it irony or sarcasm that Americans aren't good at?

Allegedly.

camdenroad

camdenroad

I'm lost
November 2004

MAY 22, 2006 02:18 PM

RockabillyRev said:

theUSA said:
i disagree with the "brown people" remark. USA has slaughtered white people in WWii by the thousand. white countries slaughter all sorts of people, the "brown people" remark is provocative without being useful. A lot of white countries have, only recently in many cases, become liberal democracies that do not tend to go to war with each other. the cold war threatened nuclear distruction of the USSR (and pretty much everywhere else) which was not a brown people place". Seeing the world as the remark suggests has in my opinion become preducial and fatuous



The term dates back to when LBJ was increasing troops in Vietnam. The US has never had a mandate to only kill people of a darker skin color. Just the majority of Cold War and post Cold War battles seem to take place in Third World Countires. Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Central America, Cambodia, Iraq, etc. By todays standards it has come to encompass our European Slaver history and the attempted eradication of the original dwellers of this great country as well.



i agree but the vast majority of humanity is not white and the "white battles" of the early / mid 20th century have more or less been settled (at leat for the time being). There are lots of "brown people" heading for america as we speak and to many of them it represents hope, they are fleeing oppression. i do not believe the white/non white way of looking at things is accurate or adequate anymore

FrankMask

FrankMask

Saint Paul, MN
June 2003

MAY 22, 2006 03:24 PM

Liebe Government, Das Bumsen schließen!

¡Estimado Government, cerró la cogida para arriba!

Cher Government, a fermé la baise !

Caro Government, ha chiuso la scopata in su!

Caro Governo, fechou a foda acima!

عزيزي الحكومه اغلقت حتي فوك!

親愛なるGovernmentは、性交を締めた!

친애하는 Government는, 성교를 닫았다!

亲爱的政府,关闭了他妈的!

I can't say it more clearly than that.
Hat tip Google Translate.

[Edited on May 22, 2006 by Frank]

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