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Success! Only 20,000 Kidnapped in Iraq Since January

A report prepared by a group of 125 non-governmental organizations in Iraq has discovered some shocking numbers. 20,000 Iraqis, who don’t seem to understand they are better off not living under Saddam Hussein, have been kidnapped.

The survey, which underscores the massive social upheaval caused by rebel activity and increasing sectarian conflict, does not give the number of people killed. However, it says that 15,462 people have been wounded.

The 19,548 people kidnapped includes 4,959 women and 2,350 children...The thousands of Iraqis being kidnapped are primarily the victims of political rivalry and of common criminal gangs seeking ransom.

The report states 80 percent of the current violence is politically motivated. Civil war, anyone?

The violence is generated by armed militias linked to political parties and is fed by the [Iraq’s] porous borders and by the delay in forming a new government.

The survey does not record the number of people killed but on-line website Iraqbodycount.org has estimated that between 34,511 and 38,660 civilians have lost their lives since the invasion. That count is taken from media reports. No word on whether the dead think they are “better off.”

 

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UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

APR 25, 2006 05:19 PM

just the people the world needs protecting from...and Hugo Chavez

ideally, it wouldn't be down to Britain and America all the time, but the UN are as much use as tits on a fish

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

APR 25, 2006 05:21 PM

UpTight said:
just the people the world needs protecting from...and Hugo Chavez

ideally, it wouldn't be down to Britain and America all the time, but the UN are as much use as tits on a fish



What about the people who think that it is the US and Britain the people in the world need protecting from?

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

APR 25, 2006 05:28 PM

MetaTag said:

UpTight said:
Anyway, I'm bored of Iraq. Bring on the sequel.



How would you feel if we said that we are bored of hearing about people in Israel being killed by suicide bombs. I think you would have a different opinion in that case.



well evidently someone is - cos we hardly hear a thing about suicide bombers in Israel

What a luxury it is, to be bored of the the killing and chaos in Iraq. Imagine if you lived there?



If I lived there, I'd blame the people killing Iraqis - namely Jordanain and Syrian terrorists

Viva

Viva

Las Vegas, NV
August 2004

APR 25, 2006 05:39 PM

UpTight said:
just the people the world needs protecting from...and Hugo Chavez

ideally, it wouldn't be down to Britain and America all the time, but the UN are as much use as tits on a fish



This is what, as a guy who is getting older, I just can't understand about Neo-Cons. All the old conservatives I knew and respected were always very pragmatistic and would complain about liberals being too idealistic. The ideal the neo-cons have about righting the wrongs of the world seems so unrealistic and pipe dreamish. I agree it would be a good thing if we could make all the bad people go away but I dont see any real chance of this happening. Also from a conservative perspective the expense of trying is sure to put us at such a competetive disadvantage economicaly with those we think are so awful.

Sometimes I wonder if Neo Cons just think we cant compete so we need to just use military force.

MetaTag

MetaTag

United Kingdom
September 2002

APR 25, 2006 05:52 PM

Shalome said:

MetaTag, I hate to tell you, but you fell for the bait, here...



I have read his answer and you are right wink

Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

APR 25, 2006 06:01 PM

FearTheReaper said:
Civil war, anyone?


Fingers crossed!

Xanippi

Xanippi

HOPEFUL

Richmond, VA

APR 25, 2006 06:12 PM

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

sorry to tweak out like this. I know it’s not contributing anything to the discussion but it helps me process bad news.

AAAAARRRAAAAGGHGGGHHH!
.......... aaaaaaaaAaaaaaAaaAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

BurningKrome

BurningKrome

San Jose, CA
April 2005

APR 25, 2006 07:26 PM

FearTheReaper said:

zoton said:

UpTight said:
Anyway, I'm bored of Iraq. Bring on the sequel.



suggestion/ betting pool

I got iran for 10 bucks !

anybody going for syria ?



Venzuela.


Albuquerque

JohnClement

JohnClement

Silver Spring, MD
January 2004

APR 25, 2006 08:02 PM

UpTight said:


again - most of these deaths were caused by terrorists, the death rate is shrinking as Zarqawi's boys are being crushed,
[Edited on Apr 25, 2006 by UpTight]




Fuck it, I'm not responding to your garbage anymore. When you're proven wrong you just ignore it anyway.

[Edited on Apr 25, 2006 by BillHaverchuck]

Landed

Landed

I'm lost
March 2006

APR 25, 2006 08:10 PM

UpTight said:

FearTheReaper said:
A report prepared by a group of 125 non-governmental organizations in Iraq has discovered some shocking numbers. 20,000 Iraqis, who don’t seem to understand they are better off not living under Saddam Hussein,



but it doesn't cross your mind to...you know...blame the fucking kidnappers!!!!

nah

course not



Clearly, CLEARLY, nobody was ever kidnapped or gunned down or bombed to pieces in Iraq before March 03. Fuck you, GWB! *middle finger*

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

APR 25, 2006 08:31 PM

Landed said:

Clearly, CLEARLY, nobody was ever kidnapped or gunned down or bombed to pieces in Iraq before March 03. Fuck you, GWB! *middle finger*



As bad as he was - and he was very bad - Saddam kept a tight lid on his country. There was no islamic terrorism in Iraq before we blew the occupation...or weren't you aware of that?

troglodyte

troglodyte

Victoria, BC
May 2003

APR 25, 2006 08:32 PM

Landed said:

UpTight said:

FearTheReaper said:
A report prepared by a group of 125 non-governmental organizations in Iraq has discovered some shocking numbers. 20,000 Iraqis, who don’t seem to understand they are better off not living under Saddam Hussein,



but it doesn't cross your mind to...you know...blame the fucking kidnappers!!!!

nah

course not



Clearly, CLEARLY, nobody was ever kidnapped or gunned down or bombed to pieces in Iraq before March 03. Fuck you, GWB! *middle finger*


Iraqis weren't afraid to leave their homes after five PM prior to March '03.

FireBomber

FireBomber

Leesburg, FL
March 2005

APR 25, 2006 08:41 PM

"Yeah, before Team America went to Iraq, there were rivers of chocolate, and children danced and played with gumdrop smiles!"

Unless you count these few trifling annoyances:


-- Under Saddam's regime many hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of his actions - the vast majority of them Muslims.

-- According to a 2001 Amnesty International report, "victims of torture in Iraq are subjected to a wide range of forms of torture, including the gouging out of eyes, severe beatings and electric shocks... some victims have died as a result and many have been left with permanent physical and psychological damage."

-- Saddam has had approximately 40 of his own relatives murdered.

-- Allegations of prostitution used to intimidate opponents of the regime, have been used by the regime to justify the barbaric beheading of women.

-- Documented chemical attacks by the regime, from 1983 to 1988, resulted in some 30,000 Iraqi and Iranian deaths.

-- Human Rights Watch estimates that Saddam's 1987-1988 campaign of terror against the Kurds killed at least 50,000 and possibly as many as 100,000 Kurds.

-- The Iraqi regime used chemical agents to include mustard gas and nerve agents in attacks against at least 40 Kurdish villages between 1987-1988. The largest was the attack on Halabja which resulted in approximately 5,000 deaths.

-- 2,000 Kurdish villages were destroyed during the campaign of terror.

-- Iraq's 13 million Shi'a Muslims, the majority of Iraq's population of approximately 22 million, face severe restrictions on their religious practice, including a ban on communal Friday prayer, and restriction on funeral processions.

-- According to Human Rights Watch, "senior Arab diplomats told the London-based Arabic daily newspaper al-Hayat in October [1991] that Iraqi leaders were privately acknowledging that 250,000 people were killed during the uprisings, with most of the casualties in the south."

-- Refugees International reports that the "Oppressive government policies have led to the internal displacement of 900,000 Iraqis, primarily Kurds who have fled to the north to escape Saddam Hussein's Arabization campaigns (which involve forcing Kurds to renounce their Kurdish identity or lose their property) and Marsh Arabs, who fled the government's campaign to dry up the southern marshes for agricultural use. More than 200,000 Iraqis continue to live as refugees in Iran."

-- The U.S. Committee for Refugees, in 2002, estimated that nearly 100,000 Kurds, Assyrians and Turkomans had previously been expelled, by the regime, from the "central-government-controlled Kirkuk and surrounding districts in the oil-rich region bordering the Kurdish controlled north."

-- "Over the past five years, 400,000 Iraqi children under the age of five died of malnutrition and disease, preventively, but died because of the nature of the regime under which they are living." (Prime Minister Tony Blair, March 27, 2003)

-- Under the oil-for-food program, the international community sought to make available to the Iraqi people adequate supplies of food and medicine, but the regime blocked sufficient access for international workers to ensure proper distribution of these supplies.

-- Since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, coalition forces have discovered military warehouses filled with food supplies meant for the Iraqi people that had been diverted by Iraqi military forces.

-- The Iraqi regime has repeatedly refused visits by human rights monitors. From 1992 until 2002, Saddam prevented the UN Special Rapporteur from visiting Iraq.

-- The UN Special Rapporteur's September 2001, report criticized the regime for "the sheer number of executions," the number of "extrajudicial executions on political grounds," and "the absence of a due process of the law."

Executions: Saddam Hussein's regime has carried out frequent summary executions, including:

-- 4,000 prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in 1984;
-- 3,000 prisoners at the Mahjar prison from 1993-1998;
-- 2,500 prisoners were executed between 1997-1999 in a "prison cleansing campaign";
-- 22 political prisoners were executed at Abu Ghraib prison in February/March 2000;
-- 23 political prisoners were executed at Abu Ghraib prison in October 2001;
-- At least 130 Iraqi women were beheaded between June 2000 and April 2001;



Fact sheet released by The White House, office of the press secretary, April 2003.

I'm sure that Bush made it all up, though.

troglodyte

troglodyte

Victoria, BC
May 2003

APR 25, 2006 08:44 PM

FireBomber said:
"Yeah, before Team America went to Iraq, there were rivers of chocolate, and children danced and played with gumdrop smiles!"


Holy false dilema, Batman!

Fact sheet released by The White House, office of the press secretary, April 2003.

I'm sure that Bush made it all up, though.


Well, I was gonna say that this is the same White House that insisted there were WMD in there, too...

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

APR 25, 2006 08:51 PM

FireBomber said:
"Yeah, before Team America went to Iraq, there were rivers of chocolate, and children danced and played with gumdrop smiles!"

Unless you count these few trifling annoyances:

+ stuff



Way to miss the point. The poster said "gunned down, blown to pieces", which = failure to maintain order.

WE have failed to maintain order, which is OUR responsibility since WE chose to invade.

Iraq became a hotbed of Islamic terrorism under OUR watch. Got it?

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