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Bush: Still a Goddamned Liar

You know, I was recently accused of being one of those liberals who can't find anything good to say about the Bush Administration and who is always harping on the negative events of Bush's presidency. That may be true, but when I read stories like this, I feel perfectly justified.

Bush on Good Morning America, Thursday, September 1st, three days after Hurricane Katrina destroyed New Orleans:

"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees. They did anticipate a serious storm. But these levees got breached. And as a result, much of New Orleans is flooded. And now we are having to deal with it and will."



Bullshit, Georgie, bullshit.

The day before Katrina made landfall, the Bush Administration was briefed by the bumbling Michael Brown, then-head of FEMA, that Katrina may very well be "the big one" and that the levees were set to break. There is video evidence of this.

The Associated Press obtained the confidential government video and made it public Wednesday, offering Americans their own inside glimpse into the government's fateful final Katrina preparations after months of fingerpointing and political recriminations.

"My gut tells me ... this is a bad one and a big one," then-federal disaster chief Michael Brown told the final government-wide briefing the day before Katrina struck the Gulf Coast on Aug. 29.

The president didn't ask a single question during the briefing but assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: "We are fully prepared."

A top hurricane expert voiced "grave concerns" about the levees and Brown, then the Federal Emergency Management Agency chief, told the president and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff that he feared there weren't enough disaster teams to help evacuees at the Superdome.

"I'm concerned about ... their ability to respond to a catastrophe within a catastrophe," Brown told his bosses the afternoon before Katrina made landfall.



Yeah, it would have been great if, as the head of FEMA, "Heckuva Job" Brownie had made these realizations sometime during his tenure and tried to fix problems before they occured.

Why does Bush lie so goddamned much? Why can't this administration ever, ever admit when they fucked up and then do their damndest to fix things?

 

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Coliwali

Coliwali

I'm lost
February 2003

MAR 02, 2006 09:49 PM

oyaji said:

Coliwali said:

oyaji said:
A majority of TROOPS IN FUCKING IRAQ, 2 to 1, think that we should leave and that we are fucked.



Could you point me towards that poll? I can’t seem to find it.



Zogby poll.

Released: February 28, 2006

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006

* Le Moyne College/Zogby Poll shows just one in five troops want to heed Bush call to stay “as long as they are needed”
* While 58% say mission is clear, 42% say U.S. role is hazy
* Plurality believes Iraqi insurgents are mostly homegrown
* Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11, most don’t blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks
* Majority of troops oppose use of harsh prisoner interrogation
* Plurality of troops pleased with their armor and equipment

An overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year, and more than one in four say the troops should leave immediately, a new Le Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows.

The poll, conducted in conjunction with Le Moyne College’s Center for Peace and Global Studies, showed that 29% of the respondents, serving in various branches of the armed forces, said the U.S. should leave Iraq “immediately,” while another 22% said they should leave in the next six months. Another 21% said troops should be out between six and 12 months, while 23% said they should stay “as long as they are needed.”

Different branches had quite different sentiments on the question, the poll shows. While 89% of reserves and 82% of those in the National Guard said the U.S. should leave Iraq within a year, 58% of Marines think so. Seven in ten of those in the regular Army thought the U.S. should leave Iraq in the next year. Moreover, about three-quarters of those in National Guard and Reserve units favor withdrawal within six months, just 15% of Marines felt that way. About half of those in the regular Army favored withdrawal from Iraq in the next six months.

The troops have drawn different conclusions about fellow citizens back home. Asked why they think some Americans favor rapid U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, 37% of troops serving there said those Americans are unpatriotic, while 20% believe people back home don’t believe a continued occupation will work. Another 16% said they believe those favoring a quick withdrawal do so because they oppose the use of the military in a pre-emptive war, while 15% said they do not believe those Americans understand the need for the U.S. troops in Iraq.

The wide-ranging poll also shows that 58% of those serving in country say the U.S. mission in Iraq is clear in their minds, while 42% said it is either somewhat or very unclear to them, that they have no understanding of it at all, or are unsure. While 85% said the U.S. mission is mainly “to retaliate for Saddam’s role in the 9-11 attacks,” 77% said they also believe the main or a major reason for the war was “to stop Saddam from protecting al Qaeda in Iraq.”

“Ninety-three percent said that removing weapons of mass destruction is not a reason for U.S. troops being there,” said Pollster John Zogby, President and CEO of Zogby International. “Instead, that initial rationale went by the wayside and, in the minds of 68% of the troops, the real mission became to remove Saddam Hussein.” Just 24% said that “establishing a democracy that can be a model for the Arab World" was the main or a major reason for the war. Only small percentages see the mission there as securing oil supplies (11%) or to provide long-term bases for US troops in the region (6%).

The continuing insurgent attacks have not turned U.S. troops against the Iraqi population, the survey shows. More than 80% said they did not hold a negative view of Iraqis because of those attacks. About two in five see the insurgency as being comprised of discontented Sunnis with very few non-Iraqi helpers. “There appears to be confusion on this,” Zogby said. But, he noted, less than a third think that if non-Iraqi terrorists could be prevented from crossing the border into Iraq, the insurgency would end. A majority of troops (53%) said the U.S. should double both the number of troops and bombing missions in order to control the insurgency.

The survey shows that most U.S. military personnel in-country have a clear sense of right and wrong when it comes to using banned weapons against the enemy, and in interrogation of prisoners. Four in five said they oppose the use of such internationally banned weapons as napalm and white phosphorous. And, even as more photos of prisoner abuse in Iraq surface around the world, 55% said it is not appropriate or standard military conduct to use harsh and threatening methods against insurgent prisoners in order to gain information of military value.

Three quarters of the troops had served multiple tours and had a longer exposure to the conflict: 26% were on their first tour of duty, 45% were on their second tour, and 29% were in Iraq for a third time or more.

A majority of the troops serving in Iraq said they were satisfied with the war provisions from Washington. Just 30% of troops said they think the Department of Defense has failed to provide adequate troop protections, such as body armor, munitions, and armor plating for vehicles like HumVees. Only 35% said basic civil infrastructure in Iraq, including roads, electricity, water service, and health care, has not improved over the past year. Three of every four were male respondents, with 63% under the age of 30.

The survey included 944 military respondents interviewed at several undisclosed locations throughout Iraq. The names of the specific locations and specific personnel who conducted the survey are being withheld for security purposes. Surveys were conducted face-to-face using random sampling techniques. The margin of error for the survey, conducted Jan. 18 through Feb. 14, 2006, is +/- 3.3 percentage points.

(2/28/2006)



There is some interesting stuff there. Thanks.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAR 02, 2006 10:00 PM

oyaji said:
Dude. The simple fact of the matter is he said, more or less, no one could have predicted it.



Sure - and who in government did?

Certainly not Clinton who axed the program that could have averted much of the damage.

But no - you are talking about the warning that was given on the video tape.

But even this warning was simply Chertoff airing "concerns" about the Levee.

Do you REALLY expect the world to believe that this counts as "advanced knowledge" of the scale of the impending devastation???

Also, the "advance knowledge" that is causing Dems to scream "Bush Lied" was only "advance" by a matter of hours.

The DEMOCRAT GOVERNER didn't have "knowledge" of the state of the levees even AFTER the hurricaine hit. And she was on the scene!!!!

It's an irrlevent point anyway. A quibble over rhetoric spun into a "dramatic lie.

Perlease!

His approval rating is in the low 30s.



yes - according to a CBS poll that only included 28% Republicans.

act surprised!

Dead_Ringer

Dead_Ringer

I'm lost
September 2004

MAR 02, 2006 10:18 PM

UpTight said:

oyaji said:
Dude. The simple fact of the matter is he said, more or less, no one could have predicted it.



Sure - and who in government did?


The National Weather Service.

Certainly not Clinton who axed the program that could have averted much of the damage.


You mean, the administration that eventually approved the highest budget ever, which was slashed by 75%, and gradually thereafter during the years of the following administration - the one that happened to preside over the disaster - the one that said everything was just peachy while people were dying? Grow up. Blaming Clinton for events that occurred 5 years after his presidency?

Also, the "advance knowledge" that is causing Dems to scream "Bush Lied" was only "advance" by a matter of hours.


If by "hours," you mean, "two days," you might be on to something.

The DEMOCRAT GOVERNER didn't have "knowledge" of the state of the levees even AFTER the hurricaine hit. And she was on the scene!!!!


You mean the chaotic scene, under which she had very limited jurisdiction. Of course what she actually said was that the levees hadn't appeared to have been compromised BEFORE they had actually been compromised - but even still informed the president that water was coming over the levees - the same levees, the integrity of which were called into question by the National Weather Service, and the Corps of Engineers two days before?

His approval rating is in the low 30s.


yes - according to a CBS poll that only included 28% Republicans.

act surprised!


And you can establish this ... how? Nevermind:


CNN/USA Today Poll.

Bloomberg Poll.

FOX News Poll.

Again, reading more than LGF might be helpful in determining the actual state of U.S. politics.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 02, 2006 10:24 PM

Between oyaji and DeadRinger, that was like watching someone get done over in stereo. biggrin

Dead_Ringer

Dead_Ringer

I'm lost
September 2004

MAR 02, 2006 10:27 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:
Between oyaji and DeadRinger, that was like watching someone get done over in stereo. biggrin


Yeah, we should coordinate our outfits before the ball next time. wink

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAR 02, 2006 10:27 PM

I'm just waiting for CBS to base their approval rating on a poll of MoveOn activists

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

MAR 02, 2006 10:30 PM

UpTight said:

His approval rating is in the low 30s.



yes - according to a CBS poll that only included 28% Republicans.

act surprised!





Yup, all those polls only included democrats, especially the Fox News one.

Dead_Ringer

Dead_Ringer

I'm lost
September 2004

MAR 02, 2006 10:32 PM

UpTight said:
I'm just waiting for CBS to base their approval rating on a poll of MoveOn activists


And we're just waiting for you to finally purchase that "U.S. Politics for Dummies" volume, you so badly need to at least skim.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAR 02, 2006 10:32 PM

okay - it's so late it's early - but I'm going to simplify this once more before bed.

anyoneclaiming that Bush lied when he said "nobody could have predicted it", will have to a fuck sight more that a "concern" voiced ONE FUCKING DAY BEFORE the hurricaine hit.

Desperate or what???

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAR 02, 2006 10:33 PM

Dead_Ringer said:

UpTight said:
I'm just waiting for CBS to base their approval rating on a poll of MoveOn activists


And we're just waiting for you to finally purchase that "U.S. Politics for Dummies" volume, you so badly need to at least skim.



Can I borrow yours once you've learned to read the big words?

Dead_Ringer

Dead_Ringer

I'm lost
September 2004

MAR 02, 2006 10:38 PM

UpTight said:
okay - it's so late it's early - but I'm going to simplify this once more before bed.

anyoneclaiming that Bush lied when he said "nobody could have predicted it", will have to a fuck sight more that a "concern" voiced ONE FUCKING DAY BEFORE the hurricaine hit.

Desperate or what???


You mean other than the Army Corps of Engineers, the National Weather Service?

Dead_Ringer

Dead_Ringer

I'm lost
September 2004

MAR 02, 2006 10:39 PM

oyaji said:

Dead_Ringer said:

TheFuckOffKid said:
Between oyaji and DeadRinger, that was like watching someone get done over in stereo. biggrin


Yeah, we should coordinate our outfits before the ball next time. wink



I'll be wearing Zegna with a nice Turnbull & Asser shirt. Tie from Hermes. Shoes from Ferragamo.


I've got an excellent suit from KMart lined up on lay-away.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAR 02, 2006 10:39 PM

Shalome said:

UpTight said:

His approval rating is in the low 30s.



yes - according to a CBS poll that only included 28% Republicans.

act surprised!






but Oyaji said "His approval rating is in the low 30s."

spin

with the debatable exception of the CBS "Comedy poll of Bush Haters" (which was arguably mid-30's)

it's all bollocks anyway

don't believe me?

Does the phrase "exit poll" ring any bells?

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAR 02, 2006 10:44 PM

Dead_Ringer said:

UpTight said:
okay - it's so late it's early - but I'm going to simplify this once more before bed.

anyoneclaiming that Bush lied when he said "nobody could have predicted it", will have to a fuck sight more that a "concern" voiced ONE FUCKING DAY BEFORE the hurricaine hit.

Desperate or what???


You mean other than the Army Corps of Engineers, the National Weather Service?



And when exactly did they predict the bursting of the levees?

When did they warn Bush?

Sincere question.

Dead_Ringer

Dead_Ringer

I'm lost
September 2004

MAR 02, 2006 11:00 PM

UpTight said:

Dead_Ringer said:

UpTight said:
okay - it's so late it's early - but I'm going to simplify this once more before bed.

anyoneclaiming that Bush lied when he said "nobody could have predicted it", will have to a fuck sight more that a "concern" voiced ONE FUCKING DAY BEFORE the hurricaine hit.

Desperate or what???


You mean other than the Army Corps of Engineers, the National Weather Service?



And when exactly did they predict the bursting of the levees?

When did they warn Bush?

Sincere question.


Well, they stated that two days before the fact. "Telling Bush" isn't really the issue, because no one can seriously claim that he could have done anyhing about it at that point. The issue is that he claimed that no one could have predicted it, when EVERYONE who knew better, did in fact predict it, warn against it, and beg for support - publicly. The issue is that the administration did not take these warnings seriously, and did not take steps to offer support to the victims, until well after the disaster. Why? Because they fucked up, and per usual, did their best to deny responsibility for its failure to be on top of the situation. If they just came out and admitted that they didn't comprehend what was happening - that it all just happened too fast - that the situation just got out of control, that would be understandable. But they didn't. They came out and claimed that there was no warning and that they couldn't have done a thing to help people - facts which are demonstrably false. This is refelcted in the president's poll numbers, as a majority of Americans do not believe that the administration is not only NOT doing a good job, but it is also not taking responsibilty for its numerous failures.

You might understand that if you had any connection - even the most remote connection - to how administration policies continue to hurt and promote extreme anxiety in the American public.

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