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  • SUNDAY JANUARY 15 2006 1:00 AM

A Day To Celebrate Being British?

The USA has Independence Day, Canada has Canada Day, and now "prime minister in waiting" Gordon Brown wants a day to celebrate being British.

"We have to face uncomfortable facts that while the British response to July 7th was remarkable, they were British citizens, British born apparently integrated into our communities, who were prepared to maim and kill fellow British citizens irrespective of their religion. We have to be clearer now about how diverse cultures which inevitably contain differences can find the essential common purpose also without which no society can flourish."

He said society should not apply a narrow "cricket test" to ethnic minorities but needed a "united shared sense of purpose".

In the wide-ranging speech, Mr Brown said it is time for the modern Labour party and its supporters to be unashamedly patriotic as, for too long, such feelings have been caricatured as being tied up with right-wing beliefs, when in fact they encompass "progressive" ideas of liberty, fairness and responsibility.

"Instead of the BNP using it as a symbol of racial division, the flag should be a symbol of unity and part of a modern expression of patriotism too," Mr Brown said. "All the United Kingdom should honour it, not ignore it. We should assert that the Union flag by definition is a flag for tolerance and inclusion."

"What is our equivalent for a national celebration of who we are and what we stand for?" Mr Brown said. And what is our equivalent of the national symbolism of a flag in the United States in every garden?"


While some, including the Commission for Racial Equality and, er, Billy Bragg, have welcomed the idea (which would no doubt entail a new bank holiday in the UK), the Scottish National Party has rejected the idea, saying that Britishness is less important than Scottishness north of the border.

Scottish National Party leader Alex Salmond said Labour's opposition to a Scottish holiday on St Andrew's Day was a "fatal weakness" in the argument.

"His repeated attempts to resuscitate British identity are looking increasingly desperate, a necessary move to make himself acceptable as a British prime minister. However, you cannot sustain a national identity just because someone wants to be national leader," he said. "For two generations and more it is Scottish identity which has been on the rise. Bulldog Brown is waving the wrong flag at Scotland."

He said there was also a renewed sense of Englishness rather than Britishness south of the border.


Indeed, since Labour took power, more and more effort has been expended in the name of devolution: the creation of the Welsh Assembly and the Scottish Parliament have all happened since 1997. English sporting teams get more coverage in the press than the other countries' teams: indeed, recent efforts to unite the football teams to enter the London 2012 Olympics have failed, with the Scottish pulling out first.

Whilst a sensible idea, this speech is timed well to remind the people that amongst the Liberal Democrat election and the continuing rise of David Cameron, Gordon Brown is still around.

 

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Unskeptic

Unskeptic

Columbus, OH
November 2005

JAN 15, 2006 01:53 AM

I think Monty Python should come up with the name and theme song. Maybe Nancy-boy day...

JohnnyForeigner

JohnnyForeigner

United Kingdom
July 2003

JAN 15, 2006 02:09 AM

Would I seem vapid if I just wanted an extra day off work? Anyway, sounds like a good idea in theory. And Billy Bragg has never steered me wrong before ARRR!!!

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

JAN 15, 2006 02:48 AM

I'd prefer Britain to be disolved into its constituent nations, but if that isn't going to happen I think a "Celebrate Britain" day is a good idea.

A good way of fighting back against the corrosive effect of multiculturalism.

Akrasia

Akrasia

Ireland
August 2004

JAN 15, 2006 02:50 AM

One of yesterdays papers quoted Jack Straw saying he would like to see a union jack in every garden. What a horrible horrible idea. Extreme nationalism is a very dangerous thing, patriotism for patriotism's sake is the first step towards fascism and totalitarianism. the idea of a pledge of allegience is one that should be consigned to the dustbin of history, not promoted as a solution to terrorism (for fuck sake people, can't you see that all of the governments solutions to terrorism serve only to increase their power and control and restrict freedom?)

The reason he wants this kind of idiotarian approach is because he can see what's going on in America where patriotism is the presidents first line of defence against dissenting public opinion of foreign policy, against criticism, and he is able to mobilise millions of loyal spies and footsoldiers to censor and intimidate anyone who might disagree with what the government is doing in the name of the american people.
that is a very attractive resource to any government, but it is such a dangerous step because if it requires a dumbing down of public discourse and an aggressive attack on intellectualism and critical thought.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

JAN 15, 2006 02:54 AM

mat8drb said:
Indeed, since Labour took power, more and more effort has been expended in the name of devolution: the creation of the Welsh Assembly and the Scottish Parliament have all happened since 1997. English sporting teams get more coverage in the press than the other countries' teams: indeed, recent efforts to unite the football teams to enter the London 2012 Olympics have failed, with the Scottish pulling out first.



It is so ridiculous that Wales, NI and Scotland have independent parliaments but England doesn't.

As for their being an emphasis on English sport - people forget that more people live in the London area alone than live in Scotland & Wales put together!

Now that we are part of the EU, there is simply no need for the UK nor the British Commonwealth. Both are anachronisms.

Akrasia

Akrasia

Ireland
August 2004

JAN 15, 2006 03:05 AM

UpTight said:
I'd prefer Britain to be disolved into its constituent nations, but if that isn't going to happen I think a "Celebrate Britain" day is a good idea.

A good way of fighting back against the corrosive effect of multiculturalism.


will a celebrate britain day be accompanied by some kind of rememberance day for british citizens to reflect and feel remorse for all the horrific crimes carried out by the British State in the name of Britain over the decades and centuries?

Will the british people remember their treatment of the peasants of Kenya during the Mau Mau revolt in the 1950's (or the conditions that led up to this revolt) while you're celebrating the might of the British Empire? Will you celebrate the British Forces Collusion with Unionist terrorists in Northern Ireland or their Anti Catholic Laws that led to the armed resistance in the first place? What about Cromwell, one of your national heroes who butchered his way across Ireland murdering men women and children indiscriminately. What about the genocide of the american Indians by the British Empire (the British were the first to give the Indians smallpox infected blankets).
There are thousands of shameful incidents in British recent and distant past. If it is suitable to celebrate Britain's greatness, it should also be necessary for the British people to acknowledge the terrible crimes of their nation and pledge to never repeat them. Otherwise you are writing a blank cheque for more massacre and conquest.

[Edited on Jan 15, 2006 by Akrasia]

almostfamous

almostfamous

NEWSWIRE

United Kingdom

JAN 15, 2006 03:11 AM

Akrasia said:
One of yesterdays papers quoted Jack Straw saying he would like to see a union jack in every garden. What a horrible horrible idea. Extreme nationalism is a very dangerous thing, patriotism for patriotism's sake is the first step towards fascism and totalitarianism. the idea of a pledge of allegience is one that should be consigned to the dustbin of history, not promoted as a solution to terrorism (for fuck sake people, can't you see that all of the governments solutions to terrorism serve only to increase their power and control and restrict freedom?)

The reason he wants this kind of idiotarian approach is because he can see what's going on in America where patriotism is the presidents first line of defence against dissenting public opinion of foreign policy, against criticism, and he is able to mobilise millions of loyal spies and footsoldiers to censor and intimidate anyone who might disagree with what the government is doing in the name of the american people.
that is a very attractive resource to any government, but it is such a dangerous step because if it requires a dumbing down of public discourse and an aggressive attack on intellectualism and critical thought.



my first though was, what a blatant popularity exercise, knowing that a ridiculous amount of pople would vote for him simply because he got them a day off work to celebrate being british. but you're probably bang on with the brainwashing idea too. there are some things americans do very well, that i'd be happy were we to emulate over here, but anything that allows that man to not only remain in power for eight years, but have the american people not rise up and revolt when he repeatedly breaks laws and make massive inroads into their civil liberties, is not on my list.

Necrosis

Necrosis

Australia
January 2006

JAN 15, 2006 03:53 AM

I really don't see anything negative about this, even if it's kind of an invented holiday - it's got good intent behind it.

And besides: Billy Bragg likes it, and he's the man.

Cherry

Cherry

SUICIDEGIRL

British Columbia, Canada

JAN 15, 2006 04:01 AM

The Guardian were reporting that it was proposed that the day take place instead of Remembrance Sunday. Which, is quite frankly kind of insulting to the families of those that Remembrance Sunday is in aid of... it almost feels like "well, they're almost all dead and burried now, so lets change the day into something the ignorant masses can relate to."

Mark_plus_Beer

Mark_plus_Beer

United Kingdom
August 2005

JAN 15, 2006 04:03 AM

An extra day off work and a chance to walk round and actually celebrate our nationality in this country rather then moan biggrin biggrin

I'm game !!

Cherry

Cherry

SUICIDEGIRL

British Columbia, Canada

JAN 15, 2006 04:06 AM

Mark_plus_Beer said:
An extra day off work and a chance to walk round and actually celebrate our nationality in this country rather then moan biggrin biggrin

I'm game !!




That sums up our Britishness alright. Sigh.

mat8drb

mat8drb

United Kingdom
October 2004

JAN 15, 2006 04:07 AM

Cherry said:
The Guardian were reporting that it was proposed that the day take place instead of Remembrance Sunday. Which, is quite frankly kind of insulting to the families of those that Remembrance Sunday is in aid of... it almost feels like "well, they're almost all dead and burried now, so lets change the day into something the ignorant masses can relate to."


That would irritate me no end.

Mark_plus_Beer

Mark_plus_Beer

United Kingdom
August 2005

JAN 15, 2006 04:13 AM

Getting rid of remembrance sunday would be a very horrible thing todo. But it would not surprise me if they did try to do it in a few years time when they believe they could get away with it.

Akrasia

Akrasia

Ireland
August 2004

JAN 15, 2006 04:18 AM

Mark_plus_Beer said:
An extra day off work and a chance to walk round and actually celebrate our nationality in this country rather then moan biggrin biggrin

I'm game !!


what kinds of events do you think would best celebrate the British Identity? Should everyone put on bowler caps and open doors for ladies in corsets?

Or will it be like St Patricks day? a parade and a piss up, cause st patricks day doesn;t do a huge amount to instil national pride the next day when we see what a mess we made of the place and we're all dying of a hangover, and St Patricks day is aimed more at the Irish people abroad who miss home, than at instilling a sense of patriotism in Ireland.

What would Britain day be like? Loads of jingistic documentaries on BBC about the brave fight against the germans and revisionist festivals celebrating the greatness of the British empire? Will british subjects all go around just feeling free and prosperous all day (as long as they're not wearing anti war t-shirts and being charged with terrorism like John Catt, the 80 year old Ex RAF WW2 pilot who was arrested and is awaiting trial under the terrorism act for wearing a t-shirt suggesting Tony Blair is a war criminal) Or as long as you don't make any unauthorised political statement within a kilometer of the British parliament

Mark_plus_Beer

Mark_plus_Beer

United Kingdom
August 2005

JAN 15, 2006 04:27 AM

I would hope a british day would be more based on the ideal of something like a community get together. But you just know in the end when its all said and done it would just become another corporate day with all the crap you could want to buy and british day cards aswell puke

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