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"Marine of the Year" Charged With Attempted Murder

Last month, Sgt. Daniel Cotnoir was named "Marine of the Year" for his service in Iraq. But today, he faced charges of attempted murder after opening fire on a nightclub crowd outside his apartment in Lawrence, Massachusetts.

Early Saturday morning, police said, he pointed a 12-gauge shotgun out the window of his second-floor apartment and fired a single shot at a noisy crowd leaving nearby nightclubs. Lissette Cumba, 15, and Kelvin Castro, 20, were both struck in the leg by fragments. They were treated at local hospitals and released.

Cotnoir, a married father of two daughters, told police he feared for the safety of his family after someone threw an empty juice bottle through his bedroom window.


Cotnoir pled not guilty, saying publicly that his job as a mortician preparing the bodies of dead U.S. soldiers took a severe psychological toll on him during his 10 months in Iraq. He claims he meant to only fire a warning shot.

[Victim Lissette] Cumba's uncle, James Rodriquez, was visibly angry after Cotnoir's arraignment.

"She's been crying all night," he said of his niece. "If this man is sick, why was he holding weapons in his house?"

James Stokes, a retired minister who went to school with Cotnoir's father, said he does not believe Daniel Cotnoir was trying to kill anyone.

"This man is a wonderful person," he said. "Something might have happened when he came back from Iraq. ... He's out there picking up body parts," he said.


Cotnoir will undergo psychiatric evaluation to determine whether he is competent to stand trial. He is charged with two counts of armed assault with intent to murder, two counts of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, and one count of discharging a firearm within 500 feet of a dwelling.

 

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rushlight

rushlight

Allen, TX
May 2004

AUG 16, 2005 04:37 AM

PaulNikon said:
Maybe dude saved someone from getting killed by wounding a drunk.



K, I felt the following needed to be pointed out:

The two injured individuals were a 15 year old female and a 20 year old male. Unless I miss my guess, they're both too young to drink at any establishment, including a nightclub. Yes, it's possible they were drunk, though I'd wager one of you news jockeys would've found that out by now and posted it wink.

Anyway, that's my two cents. No need to gather the pitchforks and torches on my behalf.

llouys

llouys

Brazil
August 2003

AUG 16, 2005 04:49 AM

dvldg said:


His "warning shot" was pointed down into the crowd instead of in the air? It's good to know he wasn't working crowd control while in Iraq...



We’ll how do you know it wasn’t a ricochet? I’m sure he felt threatened enough to encourage his actions.

[Edited on Aug 16, 2005 7:03AM]



Right, because everyone knows a 12-gauge is the appropriate response to assualt with a juice bottle.

a548456

a548456

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

AUG 16, 2005 05:00 AM

Oh boy...
My apartment is right in the middle of the town center. There is a pub I can walk to in about fifteen seconds from my front door. There are another four or five in a two minute radius, one night club and about four fried chicken/curry shops in a five minute radius. Bearing all that in mind, things are for the most part pretty quiet, but on the odd occasion it's got noisy, my fiance found that pretty scary. If some drunken piece of shit threw something through one of my windows I'd probably do something about it too. (I don't have a shotgun, but I do have a katana) I think everything should be taken into account when viewing the case, and I hope the guy gets the psychiatric counselling he needs for his PTSD. I can undestand why he reacted the way he did, but it was still an unnecessarily extreme reaction (probably due to the PTSD) I definitely think the charges should be reduced from attempted murder to assualt with a deadly weapon.
[Edit for spelling]

[Edited on Aug 16, 2005 by Spike]

filmjedi

filmjedi

Brighton, MA
June 2004

AUG 16, 2005 05:25 AM

i think its a good thing that this man brought freedom to iraq.

with freedom givers like him over there, no wonder they love us and our freedom.

swingkitten

swingkitten

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

AUG 16, 2005 05:44 AM

Rush said:

PaulNikon said:
Maybe dude saved someone from getting killed by wounding a drunk.



K, I felt the following needed to be pointed out:

The two injured individuals were a 15 year old female and a 20 year old male. Unless I miss my guess, they're both too young to drink at any establishment, including a nightclub. Yes, it's possible they were drunk, though I'd wager one of you news jockeys would've found that out by now and posted it wink.

Anyway, that's my two cents. No need to gather the pitchforks and torches on my behalf.



I was just coming to post this. I hope more people pay attention to this fact if they're gonna argue about hostile drunk people and whether they deserve to be shot. Does anyone know if it was an all-ages club? Maybe they were all on E (considering the juice), instead, and he was trying to defend his home and family from the evil, disheveled youngsters who would drink juice and PET him.

amaz0nmatchu

amaz0nmatchu

I'm lost
December 2004

AUG 16, 2005 05:51 AM

swingkitten said:

Rush said:

PaulNikon said:
Maybe dude saved someone from getting killed by wounding a drunk.



K, I felt the following needed to be pointed out:

The two injured individuals were a 15 year old female and a 20 year old male. Unless I miss my guess, they're both too young to drink at any establishment, including a nightclub. Yes, it's possible they were drunk, though I'd wager one of you news jockeys would've found that out by now and posted it wink.

Anyway, that's my two cents. No need to gather the pitchforks and torches on my behalf.



I was just coming to post this. I hope more people pay attention to this fact if they're gonna argue about hostile drunk people and whether they deserve to be shot. Does anyone know if it was an all-ages club? Maybe they were all on E (considering the juice), instead, and he was trying to defend his home and family from the evil, disheveled youngsters who would drink juice and PET him.



But petting leads to heavy petting. And heavy petting leads to sex. And we all know that everyone who ever had sex immediately got AIDS and became pregnant with a crack baby - at least, that's what I learned in sex ed.

DON'T YOU HIPPIES KNOW THAT AIDS KILLS MILLIONS OF PEOPLE A YEAR? MIILLLIIIOOOONSSS!

I've never been shot, and I've never gotten AIDS, but one time I got the flu and man did it suck.

[Edited on Aug 16, 2005 5:54AM]

bambam226

bambam226

Fort Worth, TX
December 2004

AUG 16, 2005 06:17 AM

benhasglasses said:
i think its a good thing that this man brought freedom to iraq.

with freedom givers like him over there, no wonder they love us and our freedom.


Punch yourself in your mouth.

if

if

Providence, RI
April 2005

AUG 16, 2005 06:21 AM

PaulNikon said:
No, they threw a bottle throught a window.



"They" threw "a" bottle? Could you please either explain the mechanics involved in multiple people throwing the same bottle through a window or just admit that the straws you're grasping at are crumbling at your touch?

a548456

a548456

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

AUG 16, 2005 10:28 AM

From the starting post:

Early Saturday morning, police said, he pointed a 12-gauge shotgun out the window of his second-floor apartment and fired a single shot at a noisy crowd leaving nearby nightclubs. Lissette Cumba, 15, and Kelvin Castro, 20, were both struck in the leg by fragments. They were treated at local hospitals and released.

Cotnoir, a married father of two daughters, told police he feared for the safety of his family after someone threw an empty juice bottle through his bedroom window.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

AUG 16, 2005 10:33 AM

Spike said:
From the starting post:

Early Saturday morning, police said, he pointed a 12-gauge shotgun out the window of his second-floor apartment and fired a single shot at a noisy crowd leaving nearby nightclubs. Lissette Cumba, 15, and Kelvin Castro, 20, were both struck in the leg by fragments. They were treated at local hospitals and released.

Cotnoir, a married father of two daughters, told police he feared for the safety of his family after someone threw an empty juice bottle through his bedroom window.



I think you rather missed the point, that point being that someone in a large crowd allegedly threw a juice bottle through his window. Not the entire crowd, as that is physically impossible. Nimrod the Mighty, however, fired a scattergun into the entire crowd. One person out of 30 or 40 threw something, so he shot randomly at 30 or 40 people ~29 - 39 of whom had done absolutely nothing.

a548456

a548456

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

AUG 16, 2005 10:52 AM

reprobate said:

Spike said:
From the starting post:

Early Saturday morning, police said, he pointed a 12-gauge shotgun out the window of his second-floor apartment and fired a single shot at a noisy crowd leaving nearby nightclubs. Lissette Cumba, 15, and Kelvin Castro, 20, were both struck in the leg by fragments. They were treated at local hospitals and released.

Cotnoir, a married father of two daughters, told police he feared for the safety of his family after someone threw an empty juice bottle through his bedroom window.



I think you rather missed the point, that point being that someone in a large crowd allegedly threw a juice bottle through his window. Not the entire crowd, as that is physically impossible. Nimrod the Mighty, however, fired a scattergun into the entire crowd. One person out of 30 or 40 threw something, so he shot randomly at 30 or 40 people ~29 - 39 of whom had done absolutely nothing.



I haven't missed the point, I was directly responding to the comment about the thrown bottle, and I actually wrote this previously...

Spike said:
I think everything should be taken into account when viewing the case, and I hope the guy gets the psychiatric counselling he needs for his PTSD. I can undestand why he reacted the way he did, but it was still an unnecessarily extreme reaction (probably due to the PTSD) I definitely think the charges should be reduced from attempted murder to assualt with a deadly weapon.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

AUG 16, 2005 12:23 PM

Spike said:

reprobate said:

Spike said:
From the starting post:
Early Saturday morning, police said, he pointed a 12-gauge shotgun out the window of his second-floor apartment and fired a single shot at a noisy crowd leaving nearby nightclubs. Lissette Cumba, 15, and Kelvin Castro, 20, were both struck in the leg by fragments. They were treated at local hospitals and released.

Cotnoir, a married father of two daughters, told police he feared for the safety of his family after someone threw an empty juice bottle through his bedroom window.



I think you rather missed the point, that point being that someone in a large crowd allegedly threw a juice bottle through his window. Not the entire crowd, as that is physically impossible. Nimrod the Mighty, however, fired a scattergun into the entire crowd. One person out of 30 or 40 threw something, so he shot randomly at 30 or 40 people ~29 - 39 of whom had done absolutely nothing.



I haven't missed the point, I was directly responding to the comment about the thrown bottle,



Yes, you missed the point of the comment about the thrown bottle: "Could you please either explain the mechanics involved in multiple people throwing the same bottle through a window"

That point being that multiple people cannot throw a single bottle. Like I said.

a548456

a548456

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

AUG 16, 2005 12:30 PM

reprobate said:
Yes, you missed the point of the comment about the thrown bottle: "Could you please either explain the mechanics involved in multiple people throwing the same bottle through a window"

That point being that multiple people cannot throw a single bottle. Like I said.


You're looking for an argument in the wrong place, my friend. I read the comment:

someone threw an empty juice bottle through his bedroom window.


and accept it. I posted it for the person that made that comment so they would realize that it was a single person that threw the bottle, not a group of people. There's no way multiple people can throw a single bottle (nor was that what happened) so it's not worth discussing further smile

[Edited on Aug 16, 2005 by Spike]

JasonDelane

JasonDelane

Mountain Home Afb, ID
July 2005

AUG 16, 2005 09:38 PM

A single bottle was thrown from a crowd. One of the people in the crowd or near it had to throw the bottle. He wanted to shoot the person who threw the bottle. So he used logic and said it must be someone in the crowd. He fired into the crowd and hoped the person that threw the bottle would lose an eye or die or something. He then went to bed and dreamed and had some more nightmares.

I love America shocked

neverender

neverender

Pleasanton, CA
January 2003

AUG 17, 2005 11:25 AM

i feel sorry for these guys coming home. i feel really bad for this guy. the required seperation packages for discharge from the Marine Corps is hardly anything to prepare a Marine for the civilian world. i had problems adjusting back to normal life, and i was never even in a combat enviroment. the required Tamp and Tap courses are mostly designed with how to deal with applying for a job or using your GI Bill.

a warning shot, as defined by most ROE's (Rules of Engagement) is a shot fired to WOUND.
while this may or may not have been his intentions, i think that attempted murder charges are way excessive. its obviously he needs help instead of prison.

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