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  • SATURDAY JULY 16 2005 9:22 PM

A Loving Tribute to Some Truly Wonderful People

Submitted by Sean

Edited by Christopher

The BBC would like you to know the bombers who killed all those people in London last week were lovely people, you know, when they weren't doing that mass murder thing.

"He was a good man, quiet," said one parent, speaking outside the school.

"When I told my daughter she said 'no, he can't do something like that'. I had to go and buy the paper and show her."

Another parent, Sharon Stevens, told the Press Association how he had been a "big supporter" of pupils and parents.

"He was really understanding and he did work for the children and parents."

Mohammad Sidique Khan was born in Leeds in 1974

During its last Ofsted inspection in 2002, the school's learning assistants had been singled out for special praise in dealing with a transient pupil population from a socially deprived area.


Just because people blow up subways, doesn't mean they are all bad, and I thank the BBC for taking the time to remind us of that. I think a lot of us had been maybe a little judgmental and angry towards these people, just because of one thing they did. I really think we should all take the time to appreciate their more positive personality traits. For one, they were all very religious people, and we all know how rare that is amongst the godless younger folks these days.

Also, let's not forget the bombers also died, and so they and their families are also victims in all this.

In a statement they described Hussain as "a loving and normal young man who gave us no concern".

"We are having difficulty taking this in," they said..

"...we have to live ourselves with the loss of our son in these difficult circumstances.


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hermetica

hermetica

Cook Islands
January 2004

JUL 17, 2005 05:22 PM

RustyShackelford said:

tellyfone said:

FreakPirate said:

[Rev. Jerry Falwell] also blamed said attack [of 9-11-2001] on the homosexuals, abortionists and feminists. He's a fucking nutjob. He isn't explicitly endorsing violence but he's setting the groundwork that can lead to some serious violent hatred.



I've always thought of Jerry Falwell as the National Enquirer division of the "religious right".

Seriously, religious fanaticism - any kind of religious fanaticism - will make people do terrible things. Witness the violent crimes of the "Pro-Life" movement.


Again not even close to the same thing. Maybe if you compared it to the fanaticism of the various communist regimes in history or even some things done in the name of the Catholic Church hundreds of years ago then your point about extremism might hold.





[Edited on Jul 17, 2005 by RustyShackelford]




See, thats one of the funny things about it- Islam is a few hundred years younger than Christianity and seems to be going through a similar extremist, bloody, violent period where non-believers are killed en masse-- just like the Catholic Church did a few hundred years ago. Really, the only difference is the technology and the fact that Islamic fundamentalism hasn't consolidated temporal power in the places that its trying to intimidate, and they aren't using the scare tactics as an attempt to convert people and/or confiscate thier property and rights.
Christianity has much to answer for , when it comes to the bloody massacre of innocents. Those who think that there is no comparison haven't looked hard enough at the history books.

RustyShackelford

RustyShackelford

I'm lost
April 2005

JUL 17, 2005 07:45 PM

hermetica said:

RustyShackelford said:

tellyfone said:

FreakPirate said:

[Rev. Jerry Falwell] also blamed said attack [of 9-11-2001] on the homosexuals, abortionists and feminists. He's a fucking nutjob. He isn't explicitly endorsing violence but he's setting the groundwork that can lead to some serious violent hatred.



I've always thought of Jerry Falwell as the National Enquirer division of the "religious right".

Seriously, religious fanaticism - any kind of religious fanaticism - will make people do terrible things. Witness the violent crimes of the "Pro-Life" movement.


Again not even close to the same thing. Maybe if you compared it to the fanaticism of the various communist regimes in history or even some things done in the name of the Catholic Church hundreds of years ago then your point about extremism might hold.





[Edited on Jul 17, 2005 by RustyShackelford]




See, thats one of the funny things about it- Islam is a few hundred years younger than Christianity and seems to be going through a similar extremist, bloody, violent period where non-believers are killed en masse-- just like the Catholic Church did a few hundred years ago. Really, the only difference is the technology and the fact that Islamic fundamentalism hasn't consolidated temporal power in the places that its trying to intimidate, and they aren't using the scare tactics as an attempt to convert people and/or confiscate thier property and rights.
Christianity has much to answer for , when it comes to the bloody massacre of innocents. Those who think that there is no comparison haven't looked hard enough at the history books.



There are several differences, but the big difference is that the murder of innocents by terrorists in the name of Islam is going on now and being done by people that are living now.

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

JUL 17, 2005 11:38 PM

Phoebus said:
I wonder when they decided to get into the terrorist gig. That is, how long were they in undercover mode for, just waiting to do the deed?



Perhaps more like "how long did it take for them to get brainwashed by their handler"...

hermetica

hermetica

Cook Islands
January 2004

JUL 18, 2005 05:40 AM

RustyShackelford said:

hermetica said:

RustyShackelford said:

tellyfone said:

FreakPirate said:

[Rev. Jerry Falwell] also blamed said attack [of 9-11-2001] on the homosexuals, abortionists and feminists. He's a fucking nutjob. He isn't explicitly endorsing violence but he's setting the groundwork that can lead to some serious violent hatred.



I've always thought of Jerry Falwell as the National Enquirer division of the "religious right".

Seriously, religious fanaticism - any kind of religious fanaticism - will make people do terrible things. Witness the violent crimes of the "Pro-Life" movement.


Again not even close to the same thing. Maybe if you compared it to the fanaticism of the various communist regimes in history or even some things done in the name of the Catholic Church hundreds of years ago then your point about extremism might hold.





[Edited on Jul 17, 2005 by RustyShackelford]




See, thats one of the funny things about it- Islam is a few hundred years younger than Christianity and seems to be going through a similar extremist, bloody, violent period where non-believers are killed en masse-- just like the Catholic Church did a few hundred years ago. Really, the only difference is the technology and the fact that Islamic fundamentalism hasn't consolidated temporal power in the places that its trying to intimidate, and they aren't using the scare tactics as an attempt to convert people and/or confiscate thier property and rights.
Christianity has much to answer for , when it comes to the bloody massacre of innocents. Those who think that there is no comparison haven't looked hard enough at the history books.



There are several differences, but the big difference is that the murder of innocents by terrorists in the name of Islam is going on now and being done by people that are living now.




And so that makes history irrelevant? Perhaps people could learn something from history, since it's obviously so prone to repeat itself? I hope you're not trying to excuse Christianity. An apology from the Vatican doesn't cut it.
Just because individuals died at the hands of religion 250 years ago instead of yesterday doesnt make thier lives and the tragedy of thier death any less relevant. To think otherwise is short-sighted, and there are world leaders who would do well to look at what happened all those years ago. Times change, but human nature tends to follow well-worn paths. Perhaps they might find possible solutions for the 'now' by looking at the 'then'.

Nic

Nic

SUICIDEGIRL

United Kingdom

JUL 18, 2005 06:01 AM

Dem_z pretty much covered everything that needs to be said on this matter.

GhettoBlaster

GhettoBlaster

Cleveland, OH
September 2003

JUL 18, 2005 06:05 AM

Nic said:
Dem_z pretty much covered everything that needs to be said on this matter.




WTF is that supposed to mean? All other discussion is Verbotten?

I do believe ass sex and blowjobs have been beat into submission around here as well.

I don't mean to single you out, but the cronism around here is enough to make one gag. puke

MisterSatan

MisterSatan

Portland, OR
August 2002

JUL 18, 2005 06:46 AM

GhettoBlaster said:

Nic said:
Dem_z pretty much covered everything that needs to be said on this matter.




WTF is that supposed to mean? All other discussion is Verbotten?

I do believe ass sex and blowjobs have been beat into submission around here as well.

I don't mean to single you out, but the cronism around here is enough to make one gag. puke


I think it means since dem_z and Nic are both British and you're not, they might see things just a bit differently. How is it "cronism" to offer one's opinion that there's nothing more to say on the matter? And the only way all other discussion is "Verbotten" is if a moderator closes the thread.

Sorry Nic, didn't mean to jump in like that, but talk like this really pisses me off. Not to mention it has nothing at all to do with the original topic.

Dear guy- take your whining somewhere else. Thanks.

Sickophant

Sickophant

United Kingdom
November 2011

JUL 18, 2005 06:47 PM

I apologise if this has been covered but what of the BBC's decision that these people should be called 'bombers' and by no means 'terrorists'. Surely these bombs were meant to cause terror? I hate it when language gets in the way of the truth, but then maybe thats just a reflection on how ignorant people perceive it.....

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

JUL 19, 2005 06:02 AM

MisterSatan said:

GhettoBlaster said:

Nic said:
Dem_z pretty much covered everything that needs to be said on this matter.




WTF is that supposed to mean? All other discussion is Verbotten?

I do believe ass sex and blowjobs have been beat into submission around here as well.

I don't mean to single you out, but the cronism around here is enough to make one gag. puke


I think it means since dem_z and Nic are both British and you're not, they might see things just a bit differently. How is it "cronism" to offer one's opinion that there's nothing more to say on the matter? And the only way all other discussion is "Verbotten" is if a moderator closes the thread.

Sorry Nic, didn't mean to jump in like that, but talk like this really pisses me off. Not to mention it has nothing at all to do with the original topic.

Dear guy- take your whining somewhere else. Thanks.



Mister Satan has said it all on that topic.

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