You know Kangaroo isn't really that remote as far as remoteness goes in Australia, for us it's seen as close to a city (100km i think) and they need the trees as most of the island was cleared for farming. Bring it on.

cool.

It's a nice gesture. If a program like that were to produce real change it would have to be year round and place the trees in locations that would maintain / restore ecosystems and habitat.

it all makes a difference. every little thing.

i'd rather they were doing this than, say, NOT doing this.

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so not only am I paying for the "priviledge" of recycling under threat of fines, soon I will have to calculate the amount of carbon I release and plant trees to absorb what I release? keep it up, and you'll see a whole new breed of "eco-terrorist" dumping motor oil into the sewers, hiding stuff in our recycling that will ruin a batch of recycling, or secretly dumping said recycling into local parks and lakes. so much for freedom... I am no longer free to not give a shit and take no part in saving the humans (life will still flurish on earth long after the human race is long dead, the earth doesn't need our "saving" one damn bit.

if people really gave two shits, they'd stop making babies, anything else is a waste of time

NEC is the heat

We, however, are still free to not give a shit about your bad opinion.

[Edited on Apr 05, 2005 by Keith]

No, you're in America and your leaders don't give a flying fuck about the planet. You're safe to continue driving your ridiculous gas guzzling cars etc.

I think it's safe to say that Americans will top the chart for wasteful use of energy for some considerable time.

You're always free to buy a different brand. Those of us who actually do give a shit about the planet can try to support it by making sure our money goes to companies making some effort to have environmentally responsible policies.

And I dont' really follow your logic at all. Why would an environmentalist want to block recylcing or pollute sewer water with oil?

sorry, I am not trying to be a troll. if you go back and look at my comments in other environmental threads you'll see my opinion has not changed and I am not looking for something bad to say. I just think the idea of saving the "planet" is ignorant. the planet has survived worse than us and will still be supporting life of some kind long after the human race is gone.

no I don't "have the option". Seattle recently passed a law that makes recycling mandatory, if you don't they will fine you. the kicker is, I still pay the same amount for my garbage bill. so I can choose not to recycle, but then I will be hit with fines. not much of a choice. I am being forced to recycle., and charged for the privilege.

by new breed of eco-terrorists, I mean people sick and tired of these silly band aid half measures about saving the human race that do nothing but disrupt our lives for nothing. all of this means nothing if real steps aren't taken, like stopping worldwide uncontrolled population growth, a very ugly idea to some people. or continuing to let "struggling economies" to get a pass on environmental laws. if the environmental situation is a grim as some say, why do we still continue to act the way we do?

as in most people seem quite happy to do their part by recycling, yet they drive a hummer, suburban, or some other SUV. they buy disposable diapers. we don’t care that our government thumbs it nose at other nations trying to impose limitations on pollution, as long as we have our 3 bedroom house, two car garage, 2.6 kids, plasma TV, and a big golden lab. Otherwise we would do something beside bitch about it. how many people even know who their state representative is, much less write them and tell them what you want done. most people only pay lip service to "saving the planet".

nobody else seems to care. raise your hand, how many of you would support forcing only couples to have one child per couple. couples because in this day and age you really should have two parents to financially support a child, how many people would willingly participate?

so either do something or don't, do it right or don't do it at all.

I know the manager of a bookstore who figured out how many trees had been cut down to make his living, went out and bought a farm and planted said amount of trees. Of course he lives in Saskatchewan, so there is room for that kind of thing.

It dosen't work like that. Just because it's a shithole elsewhere dosen't mean that I don't want to breathe clean air here. The environment is not a binary do-everything/do-nothing equation. I do my bit by keeping 200 cars and trucks in good running shape and passing emissions and not driving a behemoth daily, among other things.

If everybody could do simple things, like turning off the lights, walking/riding a bike instead of driving, taking mass transit when it made sense, turning the heat or AC down, turning off the lights and TV when leaving the room, etc we would all benefit. It's not hard and dosen't require massive sacrifice. Really.

Lots of little gestures X 100 million people = making a real difference.

with 6 billion plus people wandering about the world how much of a difference do you think it's really making? is it enough? what is the goal of these small sacrifices? telling yourself "I turned down the heat and put on a sweater, I'm doing my part!" is a joke. if things are really as grim as some people claim, take for example global warming, are we really doing anything to solve it? put aside the argument on whether or not global warming is a problem and assume that it is. we (the USA) chose not to sign the Kyoto treaty because China, India, and other countries won't be held to the higher standard that were proposed for the USA. that's just saying "we'll if they don't have to then why should I?". that's the exact opposite of "I'm doing my part". we are not doing our part. don't kid yourself that by recycling, turning down the heat, riding a bike instead of driving a car or other little measures is making a difference. it's like trying to bail out the Titanic with a fork.

what's the end goal? it's not really about wanting to breath clean air now, it's about the survival of our race in terms of thousands of years. one big rock hits our little planet and it's game over, yet our space program is a embarrassing joke. our atmosphere is becoming a solid, yet I don't see many people running out to get a hybrid car or bio-diesel vehicle. all of this recycling yet I don't see a lot of products packaged in recycled or partially recycled materials.

I'm not optimistic about our chances, it's a matter of pay now or pay later. the longer we wait the bigger the bill is going to be. are we going to wait till the last damn minute? really, if we aren't going to seriously try and solve the problems, why bother at all? we're just postponing the inevitable. in the sort term we won't be effected much, but what about your children, your grandchildren? it's going to take a lot more than turning off a few lights. we need to stop fooling ourselves. if you really believe you are doing everything in your power to change things, you are the acception to the rule.