We were all briefed about the controversy surrounding the removal of 5,000 "sexually explicit" applications in the App Store, including SuicideGirls very own Flip Strip app.
(If you don't know about this yet, check out Nicole's article here.)
In the most generic wording possible, SG was given notice of the programs removal at 10 at night, after having already deleted it from iTunes:
"The App Store continues to evolve, and as such, we are constantly refining our guidelines. Your application, SuicideGirls -- Flip Strip, contains content that we had originally believed to be suitable for distribution.
However, we have recently received numerous complains from our customers about this type of content, and have changed our guidelines appropriately. We have decided to remove any overtly sexual content from the App Store, which includes your application."
When asked if Missy was planning on reformulating the FlipStrip app to be approved by Apple, she wittily remarked:
"We could reformulate it and show the girls in Victorian Era bathing suits, you know.. maybe show a little ankle."
How can we conquer censorship? It's clearly time to start the revolution of sexy starched collars! Who's with me!
Combichristian said:
Noone's forcing you to buy iAnything.
Nor is it censorship - they have the right to decide at any time what to sell, just as this site can decide at any time to remove anything posted by anyone and zot them.
Don't like it, make your own site - make your own platform - sell your own App through your own channel.
yeah. what he said.
"Censorship: Censorship is the act or process of examining and removing obscene or otherwise objectionable material; the act of expurgating. A censor is a person who examines and removes such material."
How is what Apple is doing not censorship?
They're a business: they're not writing laws.
Well, that would be the difference between governmental censorship and the censorship that is going on here. It is, by definition, censorship.
Secondly, NO ONE is saying that Apple doesn't have a right to do it (they clearly do), but whether it makes sense or is right for them to do it. Another thread you've missed the point on.
Combichristian said:
Noone's forcing you to buy iAnything.
Nor is it censorship - they have the right to decide at any time what to sell, just as this site can decide at any time to remove anything posted by anyone and zot them.
Don't like it, make your own site - make your own platform - sell your own App through your own channel.
yeah. what he said.
"Censorship: Censorship is the act or process of examining and removing obscene or otherwise objectionable material; the act of expurgating. A censor is a person who examines and removes such material."
How is what Apple is doing not censorship?
They're a business: they're not writing laws.
Well, that would be the difference between governmental censorship and the censorship that is going on here. It is, by definition, censorship.
Secondly, NO ONE is saying that Apple doesn't have a right to do it (they clearly do), but whether it makes sense or is right for them to do it. Another thread you've missed the point on.
No, I got it.
Here's what you've missed the point on.
It's THEIR business.
THEY can decide what they want.
YOU are not forced to buy anything from them.
It makes sense because that's THEIR business and what THEY want for THEIR business.
Is it right? YES. It's THEIR business.
Combichristian said:
Noone's forcing you to buy iAnything.
Nor is it censorship - they have the right to decide at any time what to sell, just as this site can decide at any time to remove anything posted by anyone and zot them.
Don't like it, make your own site - make your own platform - sell your own App through your own channel.
yeah. what he said.
"Censorship: Censorship is the act or process of examining and removing obscene or otherwise objectionable material; the act of expurgating. A censor is a person who examines and removes such material."
How is what Apple is doing not censorship?
They're a business: they're not writing laws.
Well, that would be the difference between governmental censorship and the censorship that is going on here. It is, by definition, censorship.
Secondly, NO ONE is saying that Apple doesn't have a right to do it (they clearly do), but whether it makes sense or is right for them to do it. Another thread you've missed the point on.
No, I got it.
Here's what you've missed the point on.
It's THEIR business.
THEY can decide what they want.
YOU are not forced to buy anything from them.
It makes sense because that's THEIR business and what THEY want for THEIR business.
Is it right? YES. It's THEIR business.
/thread
I guess that's why the DOJ and FCC are investigating Apple's recent actions.
Combichristian said:
Noone's forcing you to buy iAnything.
Nor is it censorship - they have the right to decide at any time what to sell, just as this site can decide at any time to remove anything posted by anyone and zot them.
Don't like it, make your own site - make your own platform - sell your own App through your own channel.
yeah. what he said.
"Censorship: Censorship is the act or process of examining and removing obscene or otherwise objectionable material; the act of expurgating. A censor is a person who examines and removes such material."
How is what Apple is doing not censorship?
They're a business: they're not writing laws.
Well, that would be the difference between governmental censorship and the censorship that is going on here. It is, by definition, censorship.
Secondly, NO ONE is saying that Apple doesn't have a right to do it (they clearly do), but whether it makes sense or is right for them to do it. Another thread you've missed the point on.
No, I got it.
Here's what you've missed the point on.
It's THEIR business.
THEY can decide what they want.
YOU are not forced to buy anything from them.
It makes sense because that's THEIR business and what THEY want for THEIR business.
Is it right? YES. It's THEIR business.
/thread
A classic example of arguing semantics with reactionaries.
Apple did the right to exclude Adobe's proprietary Flash software from the iOS. Steve Jobs is right, Adobe is lazy. For instance, the 64-bit version of Flash for Linux runs so shitty that attempting to watch 360p YouTube videos in full screen will either freeze up video or crash the plugin, every time.
Why would a company place so many eggs in another company's basket instead of open, international standards. Especially a company like Adobe.
I can't see logically how the government could build a case against Apple in regards to the Adobe dispute.
To clarify, Apple isn't being investigated for refusing to support Flash content, they're being investigated for refusing to allow developers to build an iPhone app using Adobe tools. Refusing to carry certain products in your store is your right as a businessman; dictating who your suppliers are allowed to do business with is definitely edging towards monopoly.
motorfirebox said:
To clarify, Apple isn't being investigated for refusing to support Flash content, they're being investigated for refusing to allow developers to build an iPhone app using Adobe tools. Refusing to carry certain products in your store is your right as a businessman; dictating who your suppliers are allowed to do business with is definitely edging towards monopoly.
Yeah, but Apple isn't dictating that developers use one company's product over Adobe's to create iOS apps. They are dictating that developers C, C++ and Objective-C. These languages are either ISO standards, or based upon them. In addition, they use the GCC to compile the code, which is licensed under the GPL, the most liberal, open, and free software license there is.
I'm not saying Apple shouldn't be investigated. Certainly, the iOS Developer Agreement is very restrictive, for example, but let's clear up this dispute between Apple and Adobe.
motorfirebox said:
To clarify, Apple isn't being investigated for refusing to support Flash content, they're being investigated for refusing to allow developers to build an iPhone app using Adobe tools. Refusing to carry certain products in your store is your right as a businessman; dictating who your suppliers are allowed to do business with is definitely edging towards monopoly.
Yeah, but Apple isn't dictating that developers use one company's product over Adobe's to create iOS apps. They are dictating that developers C, C++ and Objective-C. These languages are either ISO standards, or based upon them. In addition, they use the GCC to compile the code, which is licensed under the GPL, the most liberal, open, and free software license there is.
I'm not saying Apple shouldn't be investigated. Certainly, the iOS Developer Agreement is very restrictive, for example, but let's clear up this dispute between Apple and Adobe.
I imagine that's the distinction that the DOJ/FCC's inquiry will hinge on, but I have to say that kneecapping a big rival is only slightly less of a monopolistic move than kneecapping all possible competitors. Not that Adobe is any better in that regard, of course.
Apple is tightening its already firm grip on what software can run on the iPhone and its other mobile devices, as shown by its recent changes to the rules that outside programmers must follow.
The new rules, released last week, say in part that app developers may only use Apple’s programming tools. That is a problem for Adobe Systems, which announced a new package of tools on Monday that were meant to let developers create apps once and then automatically generate versions for the iPhone and other companies’ devices.
Developers will also no longer be permitted to use outside services to measure how their applications are performing. The company says it will refuse to distribute any apps in the iTunes store that violate the new agreement. link
Apple is tightening its already firm grip on what software can run on the iPhone and its other mobile devices, as shown by its recent changes to the rules that outside programmers must follow.
The new rules, released last week, say in part that app developers may only use Apple’s programming tools. That is a problem for Adobe Systems, which announced a new package of tools on Monday that were meant to let developers create apps once and then automatically generate versions for the iPhone and other companies’ devices.
Developers will also no longer be permitted to use outside services to measure how their applications are performing. The company says it will refuse to distribute any apps in the iTunes store that violate the new agreement. link
I'm not saying I agree with what Apple is doing. However, how is any of what Apple is doing now any different than what Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft have been doing for years now.
Comparatively speaking, the bar to entry is still far lower for Apple devices than for an independent developer to attempt to create something for those other platforms.
Apple is tightening its already firm grip on what software can run on the iPhone and its other mobile devices, as shown by its recent changes to the rules that outside programmers must follow.
The new rules, released last week, say in part that app developers may only use Apple’s programming tools. That is a problem for Adobe Systems, which announced a new package of tools on Monday that were meant to let developers create apps once and then automatically generate versions for the iPhone and other companies’ devices.
Developers will also no longer be permitted to use outside services to measure how their applications are performing. The company says it will refuse to distribute any apps in the iTunes store that violate the new agreement. link
I'm not saying I agree with what Apple is doing. However, how is any of what Apple is doing now any different than what Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft have been doing for years now.
Comparatively speaking, the bar to entry is still far lower for Apple devices than for an independent developer to attempt to create something for those other platforms.
The reason that window machines rule the market is that anyone can write s/w to run on them. Apple was a closed environment then and remains so today (not as bad) that limited the amount of s/w that other companies were willing to develop. Apple will be slammed by the DOJ for requiring developers to use the iPhone OS 4.0 SDK.
Independent (and that is the key word) developers should not be restricted in the tools that they choose to use to write s/w. Apple can require that s/w meet certain content limits i.e. nothing sexual, satisfy security requirements, and meet levels of testing reliability. But it is the requirement to use only Apples development tools that will bite apple on its ass.
IDGAS said:
The reason that window machines rule the market is that anyone can write s/w to run on them. Apple was a closed environment then and remains so today (not as bad) that limited the amount of s/w that other companies were willing to develop. Apple will be slammed by the DOJ for requiring developers to use the iPhone OS 4.0 SDK.
Independent (and that is the key word) developers should not be restricted in the tools that they choose to use to write s/w. Apple can require that s/w meet certain content limits i.e. nothing sexual, satisfy security requirements, and meet levels of testing reliability. But it is the requirement to use only Apples development tools that will bite apple on its ass.
First of all, the statement that Windows dominates because anyone can write software on them and Apple was/is a close environment is flawed and inaccurate on many levels. I'll just deal with Mac OS X for starters. Mac OS X is a BSD-variant of UNIX and fully POSIX compliant. In plain english, this means that the Mac can run any program that was developed to be POSIX-compliant. This is open, international IEEE standard that was in existence long before the Mac OS X appeared on the scene.
Anybody can write Mac OS X applications using any number of development environments. Apple has never restricted software on the Mac, and barrier to entry has been historically lower on the Mac than Windows. Hell, compare the two companies development environments. Apple's Xcode is free! Microsoft's Visual Studio Profession is $800.
The real reason that Microsoft has dominated desktop is through their 1990s monopoly, use of proprietary standards and cost-to-access, not because anybody can write software for Windows and not the Mac.
However, we're talking about iOS development. Let's break down Apple's iOS SDK. It asks to you use C, C++ or Objective-C, which are all open international standards. Xcode is only the development environment (which is nothing more than a sophisticated text editor geared towards coding). The complier is gcc, and as I stated earlier, is licensed under one of the most liberal, open and free software licenses there are. There's not much in terms of proprietary requirements going on here. True, you must use the Apple's API, but how the hell else are you going to talk with the hardware that Apple developed.
According to Apple's Developer Agreement:
3.3.1 — Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited).
There is nothing about Apple's SDK or Xcode. You could write iOS applications in a text editor if you wanted to and compile them using gcc.
Now, let's break down what Adobe is attempting to do that Apple is blocking. Their CS5 suite isn't an alternative to the iOS SDK. It's a meta-environment that creates Flash-like applications for multiple platforms by translating them from their proprietary environment to Objective-C code and then compiles them.
Why is this bad? We're talking about devices with slower processors than desktop computers and limited battery lives. Any seasoned software developer that about algorithm efficiency knows just how important it is to write efficient code, especially with devices like iPhones and iPads. Hand written code will effectively always be more efficient than meta-code generated by a translation package. More so especially considering Adobe's track record.
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