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  • TUESDAY FEBRUARY 19 2008 4:42 PM

Goodnight, Sweet Prince: HD-DVD is dead



At last: revenge.

Some might argue that Red still has some fight left in him, but it’s clear from recent announcements that the entertainment industry has chosen Blu-ray as their champion, leaving HD-DVD on limited life support.

The first blow came on January 4th, when Warner Brothers announced that beginning later this year they would release titles exclusively on the Blu-ray format.

(January 4, 2008 – Burbank, CA) – In response to consumer demand, Warner Bros. Entertainment will release its high-definition DVD titles exclusively in the Blu-ray disc format beginning later this year, it was announced today by Barry Meyer, Chairman & CEO, Warner Bros. and Kevin Tsujihara, President, Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Group.


Then two more in rapid succession: both Netflix and Blockbuster will dump HD-DVD for Blu-ray, though they plan to keep HD-DVD on the shelves for around a year before those titles disappear all together.

In a huge blow to Toshiba, Universal, and the rest of the HD DVD devotees, rental giant Blockbuster has decided to stock only Blu-ray discs in the vast majority of its nationwide locations, although HD DVD titles will continue to be offered online and in the 250 (out of 1,450) stores that have been testing both formats since last year.


If that wasn’t enough, both Best Buy and Wal-Mart kicked HD-DVD to the curb barely a week ago. And today Universal issued a press release announcing their side in the Hi-Def Format War.

"While Universal values the close partnership we have shared with Toshiba, it is time to turn our focus to releasing new and catalog titles on Blu-ray," said Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Studios Home Entertainment.

"The path for widespread adoption of the next-generation platform has finally become clear. Universal will continue its aggressive efforts to broaden awareness for hi-def´s unparalleled offerings in interactivity and connectivity, at an increasingly affordable price. The emergence of a single, high-definition format is cause for consumers, as well as the entire entertainment industry, to celebrate."


Oh, God, do you still think there’s a chance that HD-DVD might overcome? A small sliver of hope? Hope you have a hankie, because you’re wrong. HD-DVD’s most ardent supporter has also called it quits.

TOKYO--Toshiba Corporation today announced that it has undertaken a thorough review of its overall strategy for HD DVD and has decided it will no longer develop, manufacture and market HD DVD players and recorders. This decision has been made following recent major changes in the market. Toshiba will continue, however, to provide full product support and after-sales service for all owners of Toshiba HD DVD products.


We barely knew him. May he rest in peace.

punk feels sorry for those who couldn’t wait to see who came out on top and bought an HD-DVD player. Really, he does. Hat-tip to Bennybum.

 

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DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

FEB 19, 2008 05:37 PM

FearTheReaper said:
The difference between a dvd player and an internet streaming/downloading set top box is that Time Warner will give you a internet streaming/video on demand set/downloading set top box as part of their bundling service. Time Warner will not give you a dvd player.




meh. we're a long ways from that.

Our infrastructure is partially to blame. Most people don't pay attention to download/upload rates, accept maybe gamers. But the average hi-speed connections, rarely ever touch the speed they are sold at. I have a "hi speed" cable connection, and my download rate sucks and is often affected by activity of other users.

I download at about 4Mb per second, 8,192 megabytes = 1 gigabyte. A standard Blu Ray movie is about 20 Gigs. That's assuming the cable companies would operate on their own cable service, and not make people work through dial-up or DSL.

Time Warner, Comcast, Cox Communications and other digital cables aren't built to interact to that extent with their customers. The cable connections often lag because there are too many internet users, now add downloading movies through digital cable boxes, and i am pretty sure the download rate would be about an hour a movie.

Until these companies adopt fiber optics the fastest and most secure data transfer at the moment, we are far from having a device that downloads movies onto a flash device. On top of that, the cable companies would have to dump tons of money into their private infrastructure. They would require enormous storage servers, to store every single movie made, and make it readily available for download.

I like the idea, but a lot of change would have to happen in order for it to occur, not just a drop in price of Hardware to store the movie.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

FEB 19, 2008 05:43 PM

DevilsReject said:
I like the idea, but a lot of change would have to happen in order for it to occur, not just a drop in price of Hardware to store the movie.



Actually, it's pretty close to being as simple as cable companies upgrading hardware to DOCSIS 3.0 compliant stuff. So far, American cable companies have been slow to adopt DOCSIS 3.0, but the standard will allow much higher transmission rates over the same infrastructure (except Adelphia, who had sold off all their hardware anyhow during bankruptcy and were gobbled up by Time Warner before their transition was complete). Now, while upgrading all of your customers' modems and all your hardware is tricky, it's nothing compared to the prospect of having to re-wire North America. They haven't even finished bringing copper everywhere.

gdarklighter

gdarklighter

San Diego, CA
August 2005

FEB 19, 2008 05:43 PM

BlastProcessing said:

gdarklighter said:

FearTheReaper said:

gdarklighter said:

FearTheReaper said:
Bandwith and compression are not an issue with video on demand. This is why everyone is coming out with set-top boxes. Technology like media center, appletv and netflix watch now, will take the lead away from digital downloads. Log onto the service, pick what you want to watch when you want to watch it, no waiting for a d/l. Digital download is fine for music. Instant streaming is the way for video.

What sort of "machines" does one have to buy for flash play? Stick the card in your computer and stream to your tv or watch the movie through the hdmi out on your phone.

Also if there is anything you HAVE to buy a machine for it's blu-ray. Why go with a format that i need another player for when i can stick a flash card into every media device i own? The price is high now but prices drop as technology advances much the way it has with hd-dvd and blu-ray and dvd and floppies and every other form of media storage. I can easily see people buying movies on flash in the near future, maybe even usb sticks. and people can touch them!



Sure, I'll go pick up a flash drive that's comparable to a Blu-Ray disc. Oh, wait.



Right. Prices stay the same. Always.



Yeah, but compare it with this. Optical media is much, much cheaper to manufacture than solid state media, and it will continue to be for quite some time.



This issue has already been addressed.



The cost of hardware is not what will drive the long-term success of a format (see HD-DVD). Media will.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

FEB 19, 2008 05:45 PM

Why are you focused on downloading? Expect internet search set top boxes, like this, to be pushed by providers.

First, video on demand/internet boxes will appear and then downloads will follow.

Again, service providers have no incentive to provide you with a DVD player of any kind, but quite a bit of incentive to provide you with a box that helps them bundle their services.

Video on demand is doable now, it will greatly impact DVD sales.

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

FEB 19, 2008 05:56 PM

bean said:

DevilsReject said:
I like the idea, but a lot of change would have to happen in order for it to occur, not just a drop in price of Hardware to store the movie.



Actually, it's pretty close to being as simple as cable companies upgrading hardware to DOCSIS 3.0 compliant stuff. So far, American cable companies have been slow to adopt DOCSIS 3.0, but the standard will allow much higher transmission rates over the same infrastructure (except Adelphia, who had sold off all their hardware anyhow during bankruptcy and were gobbled up by Time Warner before their transition was complete). Now, while upgrading all of your customers' modems and all your hardware is tricky, it's nothing compared to the prospect of having to re-wire North America. They haven't even finished bringing copper everywhere.



So far the only Cable company that i have read about even thinking of doing that is Comcast, and they're still only thinking about it, and if they did move forward with it, from what i have read, only 20% of their subscribers would have access to it, even at that, they are going to pay higher surcharges for it.

The technology is almost there, just a bunch of politics behind it

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 19, 2008 06:00 PM

gdarklighter said:

BlastProcessing said:

gdarklighter said:

FearTheReaper said:

gdarklighter said:

Sure, I'll go pick up a flash drive that's comparable to a Blu-Ray disc. Oh, wait.



Right. Prices stay the same. Always.



Yeah, but compare it with this. Optical media is much, much cheaper to manufacture than solid state media, and it will continue to be for quite some time.



This issue has already been addressed.



The cost of hardware is not what will drive the long-term success of a format (see HD-DVD). Media will.



Last time I checked, the cost of hardware is exactly what has kept next-gen disc media from high levels of consumer adoption.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

FEB 19, 2008 06:04 PM

DevilsReject said:

bean said:

DevilsReject said:
I like the idea, but a lot of change would have to happen in order for it to occur, not just a drop in price of Hardware to store the movie.



Actually, it's pretty close to being as simple as cable companies upgrading hardware to DOCSIS 3.0 compliant stuff. So far, American cable companies have been slow to adopt DOCSIS 3.0, but the standard will allow much higher transmission rates over the same infrastructure (except Adelphia, who had sold off all their hardware anyhow during bankruptcy and were gobbled up by Time Warner before their transition was complete). Now, while upgrading all of your customers' modems and all your hardware is tricky, it's nothing compared to the prospect of having to re-wire North America. They haven't even finished bringing copper everywhere.



So far the only Cable company that i have read about even thinking of doing that is Comcast, and they're still only thinking about it, and if they did move forward with it, from what i have read, only 20% of their subscribers would have access to it, even at that, they are going to pay higher surcharges for it.

The technology is almost there, just a bunch of politics behind it



I thought Comcast has already tested DOCSIS 3.0 and was moving to deploy it in areas where Verizon has deployed FiOS.

The estimates I've read were DOCSIS 3.9 in 40% of homes by 2011. Who knows how many will have FiOS.

punk

punk

Phoenix, AZ
January 2004

FEB 19, 2008 06:07 PM

bean said:

DevilsReject said:
I like the idea, but a lot of change would have to happen in order for it to occur, not just a drop in price of Hardware to store the movie.



Actually, it's pretty close to being as simple as cable companies upgrading hardware to DOCSIS 3.0 compliant stuff. So far, American cable companies have been slow to adopt DOCSIS 3.0, but the standard will allow much higher transmission rates over the same infrastructure (except Adelphia, who had sold off all their hardware anyhow during bankruptcy and were gobbled up by Time Warner before their transition was complete). Now, while upgrading all of your customers' modems and all your hardware is tricky, it's nothing compared to the prospect of having to re-wire North America. They haven't even finished bringing copper everywhere.



Both DOCSIS 1.0 and 2.0 support speeds up to 38Mbps, so DOCSIS 3.0 isn't really the problem. The bandwidth is there and it's cheap. The problem is that the equipment required to support and deliver such speeds is cost-prohibitive when you look at the overall ROI.

But then you factor in companies like Verizon and their FiOS product. Obviously, someone at Verizon said fuck it.

Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

FEB 19, 2008 06:10 PM

PatrickY said:
I look at the HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray as potentially the most pointless format war ever. The winner is still the loser, since I've yet to see either format come into high demand with consumers.

It's like if there was a war between companies that produce ejaculating vibrators.

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

FEB 19, 2008 06:14 PM

FearTheReaper said:
Why are you focused on downloading? Expect internet search set top boxes, like this, to be pushed by providers.

First, video on demand/internet boxes will appear and then downloads will follow.

Again, service providers have no incentive to provide you with a DVD player of any kind, but quite a bit of incentive to provide you with a box that helps them bundle their services.

Video on demand is doable now, it will greatly impact DVD sales.



because there is still information to be transferred, that little set top box interacts with an ethernet/WAN and a host server. You have to download information to it, that process sucks up a lot of bandwith.

With that set-top box, you're only accessing a database that currently exists and that still only offers what is available, not so much exactly what you want.

If i want to watch "Strange Brew", i have to search for it, if one of the databases doesn't have it, i have to move to DVD or blu ray format.

In order to have interactive television, in which you choose to watch, what you want, at what time you want, the show would need to be stored somewhere and accessible for download.

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Calgary, AB
November 2002

FEB 19, 2008 06:18 PM

I don't want to pay $400 for a new player, $50 for new discs and $2000 for a new television. HD discs have zero appeal to me. Sure they look pretty but nowhere near enough to make me spend that kind of money.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

FEB 19, 2008 06:22 PM

FreakPirate said:
I don't want to pay $400 for a new player, $50 for new discs and $2000 for a new television. HD discs have zero appeal to me. Sure they look pretty but nowhere near enough to make me spend that kind of money.



I don't really care about it myself. Neither does America, apparently. Last I read 32% of homes had a HD TV, but only 17% had signed up for HD service.

People care about content over how it looks. By the time prices drop to an acceptable level, the next thing will be here.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

FEB 19, 2008 06:22 PM

DevilsReject said:

FearTheReaper said:
Why are you focused on downloading? Expect internet search set top boxes, like this, to be pushed by providers.

First, video on demand/internet boxes will appear and then downloads will follow.

Again, service providers have no incentive to provide you with a DVD player of any kind, but quite a bit of incentive to provide you with a box that helps them bundle their services.

Video on demand is doable now, it will greatly impact DVD sales.



because there is still information to be transferred, that little set top box interacts with an ethernet/WAN and a host server. You have to download information to it, that process sucks up a lot of bandwith.

With that set-top box, you're only accessing a database that currently exists and that still only offers what is available, not so much exactly what you want.

If i want to watch "Strange Brew", i have to search for it, if one of the databases doesn't have it, i have to move to DVD or blu ray format.

In order to have interactive television, in which you choose to watch, what you want, at what time you want, the show would need to be stored somewhere and accessible for download.



Really? Well, you're not better than me.

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Calgary, AB
November 2002

FEB 19, 2008 06:28 PM

FearTheReaper said:

I don't really care about it myself. Neither does America, apparently. Last I read 32% of homes had a HD TV, but only 17% had signed up for HD service.

People care about content over how it looks. By the time prices drop to an acceptable level, the next thing will be here.



Those are my feelings exactly. DVD currently has a better catalog, is more widely available and is much more affordable. Why would I want to pay more for less content?

PatrickY

PatrickY

Vancouver, WA
December 2003

FEB 19, 2008 06:30 PM

FearTheReaper said:

People care about content over how it looks. By the time prices drop to an acceptable level, the next thing will be here.



That's the issue I see. Increased picture quality and storage don't seem to count for much with a consumer base that still doesn't grasp the difference between widescreen and formatted for tv releases. My buddy, who manages a Suncoast video, still bitches constantly about customers who skip widescreen because "Those stupid black bars cut off part of the picture".

VHS to DVD was a major change, with obvious advantages. The advantages to switching from DVD to Blu-ray are far less so obvious, especially in the face of services like On Demand and the like.

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