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Wil Wheaton's Geek in Review: Carded.

WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 10 2007 12:00 PM

Submitted by WilWheaton. Edited By WilWheaton.

TAGS: Video Games, Laws, New York, Jack Thompson

My wife and I are both in our mid-thirties. We have two kids, one of whom is in college, but we must look young, because we still get carded in restaurants, bars, and even at the market. It happens so frequently, we’ve made it into a contest, to see who can get carded most often, and in the most unlikely circumstances.

This last weekend, I pulled ahead in our contest, when I was carded at the mall, while attempting to buy a video game.

“Wait.” I said to the cashier. “You’re carding me for a video game?”

“Yeah,” he said, “It’s an M-rated game. I have to.”

“I’m 35,” I said. “This is hilarious.”

“I’m sorry, but my manager is standing right there, so . . .” he said.

“Well, I don’t want to be a dick, and I don’t want to get you into any trouble.” I said. I reached into my wallet and handed him my ID. “But isn’t this sort of lame?”

The manager nodded. “It’s the stupidest thing in the world, and it’s all because of the Grand Theft Auto thing.”

“Hot Coffee, right?” I said.

The cashier handed me back my ID, and turned around to get my game out of the Big Drawer of Games We Don't Want People To Steal.

“Did it strike you guys as a little weird that parents groups and politicians were totally fine with the violence and criminal behavior in GTA, but as soon as their precious little children – who shouldn’t have been playing the game in the first place – could see some crappy simulated sex, they lost their fucking minds?”

They both laughed. It was clear that this was a regular topic of conversation in the store, among employees and customers alike.

A young couple walked up to the cash register next to me. The guy excitedly held a copy of Madden in his hand, while the girl – clearly a long-suffering Xbox Widow – patiently waited with him.

“I mean,” I continued, “don’t they know that their precious little children have access to far more explicit sexual material online? They’re worried about a simulated polygonal sex act while little Timmy can get all the bukkake he wants with three clicks?”

The guy next to me stifled a laugh as the manager finished ringing them up.

As they walked out of the store, the girl said, “What’s bukkake?”

The three of us at the counter didn't try to stifle our collective laugh.

“That’s not even the worst part,” the manager said to me. “Check this out: if I sold a minor alcohol, I’d get about a $300 misdemeanor fine. But they’re trying to pass a law in New York and here in California that would make it a $1500 fine and a felony for me to sell this game,” he held up the game I was buying, Dead Rising, “to the same kid.”

“That’s fucking retarded,” I said. “Laws like that have already been struck down in Louisiana, Oklahoma, Michigan, and Illinois!”

“Oh, we know,” he said, “but that’s not stopping them from trying in pretty much every state.”

“Thank you Jack Thompson,” I said.

The cashier laughed. “That guy’s an idiot.”

“And get this,” the manager said, “if a kid comes in here and tries to buy an M-rated game, we have to tell him that he has to come back with a parent, but when he comes back with a parent, I can’t sell the game to the parent, because he’s going to give it to the minor.”

“What?”

“Yeah,” he said, “try to figure out the logic there.”

He handed my game to the cashier, who put it into a bag while I signed my credit card slip, no doubt joining a long list of potentially dangerous future criminals who will one day go on a zombie-killing rampage across the country, armed with hockey sticks, pie plates, and cash registers. I held my breath, and wondered if anyone would read the Minority Report.

“Well,” I said, as I put my wallet back into my pocket and picked my subversive contraband, “thanks for being our nation’s eleventh line of defense against children with parents who aren’t involved enough in their lives to pay attention to ratings and decide what’s appropriate for them.”

When I got home, I had my staff send me some Internets with information about this proposed New York law. What I read was chilling:

The latest bill proposed in New York would actually make selling or renting a game to a minor which has "depraved violence and indecent images" a class E felony. What is that exactly in prison time? According to New York penal law, "For a class E felony, the term shall be fixed by the court, and shall not exceed four years." However, it must be over one year imprisonment to be considered class E. But wait, it gets better. "Depraved" is defined by the bill as anything showing "rape, dismemberment, physical torture, mutilation or evisceration of a human being." So, many M rated games would fall under this category. Boiled all the way down, this new law would have a kid working at Gamestop, Best Buy, or the local Blockbuster potentially get sent to OZ for 1 - 4 years because he sold or rented a minor an M rated video game. With politicians like these, who needs Jack Thompson?



Do these politicians even know what they’re doing, anymore? Or are they so busy pandering to the authoritarian nanny-staters that they’ve lost their collective minds? It’s bad enough that they think video games are as harmful to minors as alcohol abuse, but they actually want to put people in fucking jail for up to four years for selling a game? The only thing that surprises me, to be honest, is that I haven’t heard any of these opportunists invoke 9/11 (9/11! 9/11! 9/11!) as some justification for this insanity.

Look, I’m a parent, and I am also a gamer, so I know what my kids are playing, and when they're playing it. I also know that there are thousands of parents who aren’t gamers, who rely on ratings to know what’s appropriate for their children. I also fully support retailers not selling M titles to children, the same way I support movie theaters not selling tickets for rated R films to minors. But making it a felony to do so? That’s outrageous.

It's especially stupid and wasteful, too, since it will most likely be struck down in New York like it has been everywhere else, because, according to common sense and the judge who granted a preliminary injunction against the effort in California:

The evidence does not establish that video games, because of their interactive nature or otherwise, are any more harmful than violent television, movies, internet sites or other speech-related exposures.

Although some reputable professional individuals and organizations have expressed particular concern about the interactive nature of video games, there is no generally-accepted study that supports that concern. There has also been no detailed study to differentiate between the effects of violent videos on minors of different ages.

The court, although sympathetic to what the legislature sought to do by the Act, finds that the evidence does not establish the required nexus between the legislative concerns about the well-being of minors and the restrictions on speech required by the Act.



There are real problems facing children in America, like underfunded, overcrowded schools, a criminal lack of health insurance, abusive parents, and Hannah Montana. If lawmakers are really going to try to “protect the children,” they should stop wasting their time and our money pandering to those who think video games are the new heavy metal music.

Wil Wheaton has a warm, secret, fuzzy heart. In a box under his bed.

 

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Clidna

Clidna

Emo, ON
January 2005

OCT 11, 2007 01:25 PM

jonze said:
I got carded a couple years ago for buying Diablo 2. I needed to be 13+ to buy the game....
...I was 22 and in the Navy. Fuckin' Wal-Mart.



For that matter, how many 13 to 15 year olds have ID? I don't let my kids carry their ID. I don't let my kids go buy their own video games though, either - I want to know what they are playing.

I love how people with no gaming experience consistantly seem to think that video game violence = real life violence. I have been a huge fan of Zelda since I was a kid, but I don't get up in the morning, grab my sword, and go on a Ganandorf hunt, nor do I try and track down pieces of the triforce. My husband is a huge Socom freak, yet he doesn't sit on our roof trying to snipe the Terrorists as they run by. My kids love the Mario games, and they have yet to eat a mushroom to see if it'll make them grow, or a flower so they can shoot fireballs with their hands. Believe it or not, people in this day and age are pretty good at differentiating between fantasy and reality (and those that aren't are on fantastic medications for it!).

What's next, should we stop kids from reading, because they might start thinking they have to hunt down and kill Lord Voldemort? This is getting bloody ridiculous.

Jace

Jace

Reno, NV
February 2004

OCT 11, 2007 01:52 PM

Wil Wheaton said:
Look, I'm a parent, and I am also a gamer, so I know what my kids are playing, and when they're playing it.



That's the problem. Most parents of kids aren't gamers, but more than that, they have no idea what their kids are playing, or when. Parents don't get involved in their kids' lives anymore, but then when the kids get in trouble, they look somewhere else to place the blame. Enter television, rap music, video games, etc. This isn't anything new; Wil referenced heavy metal music in the OP, which was the target during the 70's and 80's.

If parents stay on top of their kids, take an interest, and actually know what the kids are doing, this issue wouldn't exist. But since parents are too busy working to make enough money to support their families (which is probably the case most often - I don't want to throw the book at parents, because I imagine a lot of the unintentional neglect simply comes from both parents putting in 40-50 hours a week, and not having the spare time to interact with their kids on any meaningful level), or doing fucked up things themselves and ignoring their kids (which also happens, and fuck those parents), this doesn't happen.

And speaking of which, where are all the TV and print ads telling parents to do as much? I see a shit ton of anti-drug ads on TV about parents talking to their kids about drugs. All those "parents: the anti-drug ads." Where's the same thing for video games? Instead of spending money on stupid legislation that just puts people in jail, why don't we spend money on teaching parents and kids about why some video games might not be appropriate, and how important it is for kids and parents to, y'know, act like a family again?

CancerSticker

CancerSticker

Austin, TX
February 2007

OCT 11, 2007 06:46 PM

fountainofdreams said:

CancerSticker said:
that adds a whole new level of depth and hilarity to Cheney's quail hunting debacle too...



Be vewwy vewwy quiet...I'm hunting for Wawyews...Huhuhuhuhuh!



keep the Cheney as Fudd image in your head and watch this



If you don't lol until you pee a little I'll buy you a coke.

I'll stop the hijacking now, but this was too funny not to post.

we3_pirate

we3_pirate

I'm lost
July 2007

OCT 11, 2007 07:09 PM

I remember a recall being issued for GTA: San Andreas during the Hot Coffee thing, even for the PS2 version. My only thought was, "Fuck that, I paid $50 for this game, and I probably won't even see the Hot Coffee mod."

Now, I'm off to hack off a zombie's head, collect some gold coins, and use my magic sword to point the way to the next colossus.

Tallboy66

Tallboy66

USA
January 2005

OCT 11, 2007 07:10 PM



"Depraved" is defined by the bill as anything showing "rape, dismemberment, physical torture, mutilation or evisceration of a human being."



I think I saw that on CSI.

KidMorlock

KidMorlock

Indianapolis, IN
October 2003

OCT 11, 2007 07:15 PM

Great story, Wil.
If only all parents were as cool as Doris Roberts.

bigorangemachine

bigorangemachine

Hamilton, ON
January 2005

OCT 11, 2007 08:16 PM

Remember that time that a respectable community man dressed in a clown suit; raped, sodomized and murdered over 30 young men all because of a video game?

Oh wait that was John Wayne Gacy... and he didn't play video games.

HarryJohnson

HarryJohnson

Calgary, AB
March 2004

OCT 11, 2007 09:21 PM

May it come to pass, some day in the future, that Politicians will correctly stop trying to over legislate the morality of today's youth with stupid ineffective laws. Hopefully, they will all come to the idea that it is the responsibility of Parents, not the Government to teach all that is good, moral and right in our youth by instilling good concepts in their offspring. On that day, I imagine, Politicians will be better people and parents as well.

On the next day, lets hope Politicians see the light on DRM, then Internet Radio Royalties, then ineffective MPG Targets, then ...

PaulNikon

PaulNikon

Melbourne, FL
February 2003

OCT 11, 2007 10:50 PM

Wil should run for office.

bendingunit23

bendingunit23

Victoria, BC
April 2005

OCT 12, 2007 11:33 AM

Stuff like this really makes me want to dig a moat at the 49th parallel.

cmjfoxfyre

cmjfoxfyre

Cupertino, CA
February 2006

OCT 13, 2007 09:33 AM

amen. what the hell is wrong with these guys??

i used to work at a Sam Goody. i routinely had to tell 8 yr. olds that No, they couldn't buy GTA themselves...they need to go grab their mom or dad, who's in the car, or out wandering the mall, expecting us to be babysitters, that they need to come to the store...

which pissed the parents off to know end, because, gods forbid,...they watch their child...or know what the kid is doing in his life...

lighthammer1979

lighthammer1979

West Des Moines, IA
February 2007

OCT 16, 2007 07:09 AM

This is just dumb. It's the parent that should get the jail time for letting their kid play the game not the poor 15 year old kid behind the counter of some store. Thats just plain fucked if this law were to be passed.

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