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Wil Wheaton's Geek in Review: Carded.

WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 10 2007 12:00 PM

Submitted by WilWheaton. Edited By WilWheaton.

TAGS: Video Games, Laws, New York, Jack Thompson

My wife and I are both in our mid-thirties. We have two kids, one of whom is in college, but we must look young, because we still get carded in restaurants, bars, and even at the market. It happens so frequently, we’ve made it into a contest, to see who can get carded most often, and in the most unlikely circumstances.

This last weekend, I pulled ahead in our contest, when I was carded at the mall, while attempting to buy a video game.

“Wait.” I said to the cashier. “You’re carding me for a video game?”

“Yeah,” he said, “It’s an M-rated game. I have to.”

“I’m 35,” I said. “This is hilarious.”

“I’m sorry, but my manager is standing right there, so . . .” he said.

“Well, I don’t want to be a dick, and I don’t want to get you into any trouble.” I said. I reached into my wallet and handed him my ID. “But isn’t this sort of lame?”

The manager nodded. “It’s the stupidest thing in the world, and it’s all because of the Grand Theft Auto thing.”

“Hot Coffee, right?” I said.

The cashier handed me back my ID, and turned around to get my game out of the Big Drawer of Games We Don't Want People To Steal.

“Did it strike you guys as a little weird that parents groups and politicians were totally fine with the violence and criminal behavior in GTA, but as soon as their precious little children – who shouldn’t have been playing the game in the first place – could see some crappy simulated sex, they lost their fucking minds?”

They both laughed. It was clear that this was a regular topic of conversation in the store, among employees and customers alike.

A young couple walked up to the cash register next to me. The guy excitedly held a copy of Madden in his hand, while the girl – clearly a long-suffering Xbox Widow – patiently waited with him.

“I mean,” I continued, “don’t they know that their precious little children have access to far more explicit sexual material online? They’re worried about a simulated polygonal sex act while little Timmy can get all the bukkake he wants with three clicks?”

The guy next to me stifled a laugh as the manager finished ringing them up.

As they walked out of the store, the girl said, “What’s bukkake?”

The three of us at the counter didn't try to stifle our collective laugh.

“That’s not even the worst part,” the manager said to me. “Check this out: if I sold a minor alcohol, I’d get about a $300 misdemeanor fine. But they’re trying to pass a law in New York and here in California that would make it a $1500 fine and a felony for me to sell this game,” he held up the game I was buying, Dead Rising, “to the same kid.”

“That’s fucking retarded,” I said. “Laws like that have already been struck down in Louisiana, Oklahoma, Michigan, and Illinois!”

“Oh, we know,” he said, “but that’s not stopping them from trying in pretty much every state.”

“Thank you Jack Thompson,” I said.

The cashier laughed. “That guy’s an idiot.”

“And get this,” the manager said, “if a kid comes in here and tries to buy an M-rated game, we have to tell him that he has to come back with a parent, but when he comes back with a parent, I can’t sell the game to the parent, because he’s going to give it to the minor.”

“What?”

“Yeah,” he said, “try to figure out the logic there.”

He handed my game to the cashier, who put it into a bag while I signed my credit card slip, no doubt joining a long list of potentially dangerous future criminals who will one day go on a zombie-killing rampage across the country, armed with hockey sticks, pie plates, and cash registers. I held my breath, and wondered if anyone would read the Minority Report.

“Well,” I said, as I put my wallet back into my pocket and picked my subversive contraband, “thanks for being our nation’s eleventh line of defense against children with parents who aren’t involved enough in their lives to pay attention to ratings and decide what’s appropriate for them.”

When I got home, I had my staff send me some Internets with information about this proposed New York law. What I read was chilling:

The latest bill proposed in New York would actually make selling or renting a game to a minor which has "depraved violence and indecent images" a class E felony. What is that exactly in prison time? According to New York penal law, "For a class E felony, the term shall be fixed by the court, and shall not exceed four years." However, it must be over one year imprisonment to be considered class E. But wait, it gets better. "Depraved" is defined by the bill as anything showing "rape, dismemberment, physical torture, mutilation or evisceration of a human being." So, many M rated games would fall under this category. Boiled all the way down, this new law would have a kid working at Gamestop, Best Buy, or the local Blockbuster potentially get sent to OZ for 1 - 4 years because he sold or rented a minor an M rated video game. With politicians like these, who needs Jack Thompson?



Do these politicians even know what they’re doing, anymore? Or are they so busy pandering to the authoritarian nanny-staters that they’ve lost their collective minds? It’s bad enough that they think video games are as harmful to minors as alcohol abuse, but they actually want to put people in fucking jail for up to four years for selling a game? The only thing that surprises me, to be honest, is that I haven’t heard any of these opportunists invoke 9/11 (9/11! 9/11! 9/11!) as some justification for this insanity.

Look, I’m a parent, and I am also a gamer, so I know what my kids are playing, and when they're playing it. I also know that there are thousands of parents who aren’t gamers, who rely on ratings to know what’s appropriate for their children. I also fully support retailers not selling M titles to children, the same way I support movie theaters not selling tickets for rated R films to minors. But making it a felony to do so? That’s outrageous.

It's especially stupid and wasteful, too, since it will most likely be struck down in New York like it has been everywhere else, because, according to common sense and the judge who granted a preliminary injunction against the effort in California:

The evidence does not establish that video games, because of their interactive nature or otherwise, are any more harmful than violent television, movies, internet sites or other speech-related exposures.

Although some reputable professional individuals and organizations have expressed particular concern about the interactive nature of video games, there is no generally-accepted study that supports that concern. There has also been no detailed study to differentiate between the effects of violent videos on minors of different ages.

The court, although sympathetic to what the legislature sought to do by the Act, finds that the evidence does not establish the required nexus between the legislative concerns about the well-being of minors and the restrictions on speech required by the Act.



There are real problems facing children in America, like underfunded, overcrowded schools, a criminal lack of health insurance, abusive parents, and Hannah Montana. If lawmakers are really going to try to “protect the children,” they should stop wasting their time and our money pandering to those who think video games are the new heavy metal music.

Wil Wheaton has a warm, secret, fuzzy heart. In a box under his bed.

 

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GeorgeLiquor

GeorgeLiquor

Langley, WA
June 2007

OCT 10, 2007 11:53 PM

I think conversations with managers/cashiers are video game stores can sometimes be the most rewarding.

GonzoChaote

GonzoChaote

Vancouver, BC
March 2007

OCT 11, 2007 12:13 AM

You've a point about being surprised that 9-11 hasn't been invoked, but I'd imagine that Columbine and Virginia Tech have, which is equally crass in my mind.

DannyDMc

DannyDMc

Fargo, ND
July 2003

OCT 11, 2007 12:45 AM


You think thats bad? I can't even go to the store and try to buy tobacco anymore without getting carded; I'm 25 fuckin years old! Up until a few months ago, I TAUGHT 18 year olds (hell, thanks to the low graduation rate at our school; I actually taught some 20 year olds, but thats another matter entirely).
My MOTHER, at one store, keeps getting carded when she guys beer. Me good 'ol Mum is, as of last December, 50 years old. Her hair has started to go silver. But, the store has a policy that EVERYONE has to be carded. You know, in case some poor 17 year-old-kid comes in and only LOOKS 50 (My argument: Is a 17 year old has had a hard enough life that they appear 50 by that age...go ahead and sell them the beer. They've EARNED it! Hell, NOT selling them the beer would be immoral in my mind!)
The worst thing about this all, is that its only gotten worse in the past few years. I remember being 18, buying a pack of smokes for someone (who, of course, was NOT 18 yet biggrin ) and being dissapointed when they didn't card me. The same thing happened when I turned 21. I actually get carded MORE now, as a 25 year old adult, than I did when I was still 18.
It boggles the mind; and, even more, is horribly offensive.

wenis

wenis

Brentwood, CA
July 2006

OCT 11, 2007 02:01 AM

its only going to get repeated again and again but the only way this fucking stupid bullshit is going to stop is when the older generation finally dies and the people who grew up with video games and understand what they are take over the reigns..until then hopefully the last few remaining intelligent beings in office around the country can swat these laws down like flys.

CancerSticker

CancerSticker

Austin, TX
February 2007

OCT 11, 2007 03:09 AM

Same shit different decade. Anybody else remember Jack Chick's tract criticizing Dungeons and Dragons? Dark Dungeons

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

See? We just need the magic Jesus to come and save us from the demonic video game menace. It's so simple!



As much as it sounds like Libertarian rhetoric, I blame the parents. There's no need to legislate things just because people are too stupid to look at what they're buying for their kids. If parents don't want their kids buying things they can't approve first, they shouldn't be empowering the little pricks with cash to be spent without supervision...

I think it's more upsetting that the generation following ours is going to be made up primarily of overindulged, undereducated, coddled bags of snot than the fact that a 5 o'clock shadow isn't enough age verification to buy a piece of entertainment software.

AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

OCT 11, 2007 03:11 AM

Don't take this the wrong way Wil, but I've met you and could easily see you getting carded for more than just video games tongue

And frankly, I don't have a problem with getting carded for M rated games if it means they can actually make interesting adult games that deserve the M rating. I'd have no problem with NC-17 movies if theaters would actually show NC-17 movies. Like with MPAA, the rating system isn't the problem, it's the ratings board that's the problem.

MistressMissy

MistressMissy

Grand Rapids, MI
March 2003

OCT 11, 2007 03:22 AM

If I ever get in a car accident again, I think I'll blame it on Burn Out and ask what my crash score is.

miserabelle

miserabelle

United Kingdom
April 2007

OCT 11, 2007 06:40 AM

The whole issue with Manhunt's been brought back up again here - I've been reading little snips of it in the paper lately, I just think it's pathetic. If you think that it's okay to kill somebody because you saw it in a game you're obviously not that mentally stable to begin with.

It's like banning adult movies because kids get their hands on them, it's completely stupid.

I've been playing violent, disgusting games since I was far too young, and I've never so much as got into a fight.

x

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Mokena, IL
January 2005

OCT 11, 2007 06:54 AM

idais31 said:
and just think back in the day when those senetors were kids they watched bugs bunny dressing up as a girl and playing with dynomite and elmer fudd trying to shoot and kill bugs bunny and daffy duck.
and look how they turned out.
ARRR!!!



Wait a minute...

Blowing people up, no consequences, the blowee just gets up in the next scene and is fine?

This is why the administration has gone insane! They watched too much Looney Tunes as kids!

CancerSticker

CancerSticker

Austin, TX
February 2007

OCT 11, 2007 07:09 AM

that adds a whole new level of depth and hilarity to Cheney's quail hunting debacle too...

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

OCT 11, 2007 08:00 AM

Great article, Wil.

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Mokena, IL
January 2005

OCT 11, 2007 09:25 AM

CancerSticker said:
that adds a whole new level of depth and hilarity to Cheney's quail hunting debacle too...



Be vewwy vewwy quiet...I'm hunting for Wawyews...Huhuhuhuhuh!

Shell_Shock

Shell_Shock

Rockmart, GA
May 2007

OCT 11, 2007 10:27 AM

tHEY a re dummeeng us downe sow musch that i THIink Im gona pyuk. I yam to stoopid to now whut too ete so my tato chipz donot teyst az good as beyfor. I yam too dum too dreenk a kup of kofee. Now i donot nowwhat is better at my cilderen az perteyining too vediyou gamz. mad

Weso

Weso

Santa Cruz, CA
July 2002

OCT 11, 2007 12:29 PM

What an insane set of laws. I can't wait for the cyber-punk future where street hackers can humble big business and goverenments a like over stuff like this.

NightskyDarkstar

NightskyDarkstar

Spokane, WA
May 2007

OCT 11, 2007 12:51 PM

Wow reading Shell_Shock's post made my head hurt.

Seriously though, I dont mind getting carded for vid games, but I think its really stupid to make it a felony, much less charge as much as they are talking about charging for it. Politicians need to get a clue in that its not the video games that is making kids violent. If they want to fix it, maybe they should start ordering parents, on their own dime, to pay for parenting classes should their kids get busted buying or renting a game that is not rated for them. Save the tax payers money, and it wakes the parents up at the same time.

And yes, I am a parent and I am a gamer. I moniter what my child has availability to. I sure as hell dont want her watchin mommy sniper some poor noob on Halo.

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