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Wil Wheaton's Geek in Review: Carded.

WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 10 2007 12:00 PM

Submitted by WilWheaton. Edited By WilWheaton.

TAGS: Video Games, Laws, New York, Jack Thompson

My wife and I are both in our mid-thirties. We have two kids, one of whom is in college, but we must look young, because we still get carded in restaurants, bars, and even at the market. It happens so frequently, we’ve made it into a contest, to see who can get carded most often, and in the most unlikely circumstances.

This last weekend, I pulled ahead in our contest, when I was carded at the mall, while attempting to buy a video game.

“Wait.” I said to the cashier. “You’re carding me for a video game?”

“Yeah,” he said, “It’s an M-rated game. I have to.”

“I’m 35,” I said. “This is hilarious.”

“I’m sorry, but my manager is standing right there, so . . .” he said.

“Well, I don’t want to be a dick, and I don’t want to get you into any trouble.” I said. I reached into my wallet and handed him my ID. “But isn’t this sort of lame?”

The manager nodded. “It’s the stupidest thing in the world, and it’s all because of the Grand Theft Auto thing.”

“Hot Coffee, right?” I said.

The cashier handed me back my ID, and turned around to get my game out of the Big Drawer of Games We Don't Want People To Steal.

“Did it strike you guys as a little weird that parents groups and politicians were totally fine with the violence and criminal behavior in GTA, but as soon as their precious little children – who shouldn’t have been playing the game in the first place – could see some crappy simulated sex, they lost their fucking minds?”

They both laughed. It was clear that this was a regular topic of conversation in the store, among employees and customers alike.

A young couple walked up to the cash register next to me. The guy excitedly held a copy of Madden in his hand, while the girl – clearly a long-suffering Xbox Widow – patiently waited with him.

“I mean,” I continued, “don’t they know that their precious little children have access to far more explicit sexual material online? They’re worried about a simulated polygonal sex act while little Timmy can get all the bukkake he wants with three clicks?”

The guy next to me stifled a laugh as the manager finished ringing them up.

As they walked out of the store, the girl said, “What’s bukkake?”

The three of us at the counter didn't try to stifle our collective laugh.

“That’s not even the worst part,” the manager said to me. “Check this out: if I sold a minor alcohol, I’d get about a $300 misdemeanor fine. But they’re trying to pass a law in New York and here in California that would make it a $1500 fine and a felony for me to sell this game,” he held up the game I was buying, Dead Rising, “to the same kid.”

“That’s fucking retarded,” I said. “Laws like that have already been struck down in Louisiana, Oklahoma, Michigan, and Illinois!”

“Oh, we know,” he said, “but that’s not stopping them from trying in pretty much every state.”

“Thank you Jack Thompson,” I said.

The cashier laughed. “That guy’s an idiot.”

“And get this,” the manager said, “if a kid comes in here and tries to buy an M-rated game, we have to tell him that he has to come back with a parent, but when he comes back with a parent, I can’t sell the game to the parent, because he’s going to give it to the minor.”

“What?”

“Yeah,” he said, “try to figure out the logic there.”

He handed my game to the cashier, who put it into a bag while I signed my credit card slip, no doubt joining a long list of potentially dangerous future criminals who will one day go on a zombie-killing rampage across the country, armed with hockey sticks, pie plates, and cash registers. I held my breath, and wondered if anyone would read the Minority Report.

“Well,” I said, as I put my wallet back into my pocket and picked my subversive contraband, “thanks for being our nation’s eleventh line of defense against children with parents who aren’t involved enough in their lives to pay attention to ratings and decide what’s appropriate for them.”

When I got home, I had my staff send me some Internets with information about this proposed New York law. What I read was chilling:

The latest bill proposed in New York would actually make selling or renting a game to a minor which has "depraved violence and indecent images" a class E felony. What is that exactly in prison time? According to New York penal law, "For a class E felony, the term shall be fixed by the court, and shall not exceed four years." However, it must be over one year imprisonment to be considered class E. But wait, it gets better. "Depraved" is defined by the bill as anything showing "rape, dismemberment, physical torture, mutilation or evisceration of a human being." So, many M rated games would fall under this category. Boiled all the way down, this new law would have a kid working at Gamestop, Best Buy, or the local Blockbuster potentially get sent to OZ for 1 - 4 years because he sold or rented a minor an M rated video game. With politicians like these, who needs Jack Thompson?



Do these politicians even know what they’re doing, anymore? Or are they so busy pandering to the authoritarian nanny-staters that they’ve lost their collective minds? It’s bad enough that they think video games are as harmful to minors as alcohol abuse, but they actually want to put people in fucking jail for up to four years for selling a game? The only thing that surprises me, to be honest, is that I haven’t heard any of these opportunists invoke 9/11 (9/11! 9/11! 9/11!) as some justification for this insanity.

Look, I’m a parent, and I am also a gamer, so I know what my kids are playing, and when they're playing it. I also know that there are thousands of parents who aren’t gamers, who rely on ratings to know what’s appropriate for their children. I also fully support retailers not selling M titles to children, the same way I support movie theaters not selling tickets for rated R films to minors. But making it a felony to do so? That’s outrageous.

It's especially stupid and wasteful, too, since it will most likely be struck down in New York like it has been everywhere else, because, according to common sense and the judge who granted a preliminary injunction against the effort in California:

The evidence does not establish that video games, because of their interactive nature or otherwise, are any more harmful than violent television, movies, internet sites or other speech-related exposures.

Although some reputable professional individuals and organizations have expressed particular concern about the interactive nature of video games, there is no generally-accepted study that supports that concern. There has also been no detailed study to differentiate between the effects of violent videos on minors of different ages.

The court, although sympathetic to what the legislature sought to do by the Act, finds that the evidence does not establish the required nexus between the legislative concerns about the well-being of minors and the restrictions on speech required by the Act.



There are real problems facing children in America, like underfunded, overcrowded schools, a criminal lack of health insurance, abusive parents, and Hannah Montana. If lawmakers are really going to try to “protect the children,” they should stop wasting their time and our money pandering to those who think video games are the new heavy metal music.

Wil Wheaton has a warm, secret, fuzzy heart. In a box under his bed.

 

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mokole

mokole

Canada
June 2004

OCT 10, 2007 12:21 PM

don't most of these politicians know, that the simple fact, none of them have been killed, for what they are trying to do, prove that there case is bullshit? i mean, it's not like us video gamers are pro-lifers who kill doctors....... you would think, if video games are as dangerous as they seem to say, a few of these assholes would have been assassinated by now? what with my incredible sniping skills from battlefield 2142, shouldn't be a problem or anything.... since they barely regulated guns..... damn those evil video games though

mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Waldwick, NJ
June 2003

OCT 10, 2007 12:48 PM

Dead Rising rules!

DownNeck

DownNeck

Bloomfield, NJ
March 2006

OCT 10, 2007 01:08 PM

what clownshoes! i'm re-playing manhunt in protest.

Realist

Realist

USA
September 2006

OCT 10, 2007 01:16 PM

DownNeck said:
what clownshoes! i'm re-playing manhunt in protest.



Don't you mean 'suffer through' rather than re-playing?

As for the article, I fully support felony prosecution should you allow your child to watch Hannah Montana.

jon_o

jon_o

United Kingdom
July 2006

OCT 10, 2007 01:24 PM

Good ol will, always a good read.
I must admit after reading some of the stories posted here on the newswire American's cop way less stick overseas for their stupidity and ignorance than they really deserve. Priorities need to be adjusted slightly one thinks.

But then again it is the same with everything you get a few absolute idiots making everyone else look bad

ortho7117

ortho7117

Charlotte, NC
April 2004

OCT 10, 2007 01:31 PM

Well I think it's a good thing to jail people for selling this filth. Once the precedent is set, then it will be much easier to jail all other smut peddlers, alcohol peddlers, etc. Jail them for life without parole. Can't they see that alcohol prevents our children from being able to go out in the world and become something? In fact, we should just execute the offenders who sell these violent games to our dear children. We should do whatever it takes to show that we are against violence and killing.

insomniac_dream

insomniac_dream

United Kingdom
May 2005

OCT 10, 2007 01:32 PM

The government over here in the UK have launched a study to determine what effect video games have on children. Our media have gone apeshit and are promoting the idea that games have a serious effect on the youth of today. One TV presenter was interviewing the psychologist who is running the study. He said, 'It is known that games make people violent isn't it?'
The lady psychologist replied, 'No, there is no evidence anywhere in the world to suggest that is the case.' Which took the wind out of the sails of that segment. This woman says she is approaching the study with an open mind and wants to look at all sides. So, not everyone is anti-gaming. Although the media has certainly jumped, yet again, on the band wagon.
I'm 36, am well educated and have a good professional job. i don't want to be told what to read, what to play, what to watch or what to listen to.
Perhaps if people were sufficently educated and were more thoughtful and responsible in their attitudes and treat people with a modicum of respect and allow that the majority of people are sensible enough to do the right thing with regard to games and censorship, we wouldn't have these idiotic proposals being made.
My job- I'm a teacher and also being a gamer has allowed me to touch base with a lot of my students. Every kid I have taught knows the difference between the fictional world of a game and reality. It is the adults who don't seem to be able to tell the difference. This being the case, there is at least some hope for the future!

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Mokena, IL
January 2005

OCT 10, 2007 01:38 PM

WilWheaton said:
Wil Wheaton has a warm, secret, fuzzy heart. In a box under his bed.



I tend to keep mine on a shelf in the living room.

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Mokena, IL
January 2005

OCT 10, 2007 01:39 PM

ortho7117 said:
Well I think it's a good thing to jail people for selling this filth. Once the precedent is set, then it will be much easier to jail all other smut peddlers, alcohol peddlers, etc. Jail them for life without parole. Can't they see that alcohol prevents our children from being able to go out in the world and become something? In fact, we should just execute the offenders who sell these violent games to our dear children. We should do whatever it takes to show that we are against violence and killing.



Whatever it takes, like, possibly, violence and killing.

Cherry

Cherry

SUICIDEGIRL

British Columbia, Canada

OCT 10, 2007 01:39 PM

I'm almost 26 and have recently been carded for buying video games and a 15 rated film. It's quite insane. Having said this, more does need to be done to encourage retailers to ID kids who are buying games and films. Making it a felony though? Ha! It's almost something out of a dystopian cyberpunk novel. There'll be whole prisons full of spotty kids who sold the forbidden interactive gore games to minors.

I hate being asked for ID and I'm "only" 25, but I think I'd rather that than risk some poor kid's minimum wage job turning him into a criminal.

Cherry

Cherry

SUICIDEGIRL

British Columbia, Canada

OCT 10, 2007 01:41 PM

insomniac_dream said:
The government over here in the UK have launched a study to determine what effect video games have on children. Our media have gone apeshit and are promoting the idea that games have a serious effect on the youth of today. One TV presenter was interviewing the psychologist who is running the study. He said, 'It is known that games make people violent isn't it?'
The lady psychologist replied, 'No, there is no evidence anywhere in the world to suggest that is the case.' Which took the wind out of the sails of that segment. This woman says she is approaching the study with an open mind and wants to look at all sides. So, not everyone is anti-gaming. Although the media has certainly jumped, yet again, on the band wagon.
I'm 36, am well educated and have a good professional job. i don't want to be told what to read, what to play, what to watch or what to listen to.
Perhaps if people were sufficently educated and were more thoughtful and responsible in their attitudes and treat people with a modicum of respect and allow that the majority of people are sensible enough to do the right thing with regard to games and censorship, we wouldn't have these idiotic proposals being made.
My job- I'm a teacher and also being a gamer has allowed me to touch base with a lot of my students. Every kid I have taught knows the difference between the fictional world of a game and reality. It is the adults who don't seem to be able to tell the difference. This being the case, there is at least some hope for the future!



Oh but this has been happening for years all over the world. The media just take something like a "study" as a rock solid excuse to dredge up that old zombie.

Synthiviper

Synthiviper

Chicago, IL
June 2004

OCT 10, 2007 01:46 PM

Wil, you are my hero.

SixBoxes

SixBoxes

Stoney Creek, ON
June 2007

OCT 10, 2007 02:07 PM

Would've been cooler if you got carded buying a T rated game.

And I for one feel much safer thinking of cops staking out the Best Buy parking lots trying to spot kids toting ill-gotten copies of God of War, rather than try to catch serial rapists or something.

PixieDuzt

PixieDuzt

Cincinnati, OH
February 2004

OCT 10, 2007 02:13 PM

I have no comment, you've stated exactly what I feel on this subject. Seriously Wil, I think you are one of the things I will miss the most when I have to leave this wonderful (but expensive for a college student) community. Thank you for being you and I hope you are still writing when I come back.

(P.S. I still believe, and will until the day I die most likely, that people should have to pass a parenting class in order to have children. People are just too damned lazy/self-absorbed for kids anymore. Why watch my kids or interact with them in any way when the TV/computer/video games will do it for me?)

lavenir

lavenir

Turlock, CA
June 2007

OCT 10, 2007 02:53 PM

Wil Wheaton said:
There are real problems facing children in America, like underfunded, overcrowded schools, a criminal lack of health insurance, abusive parents, and Hannah Montana.

Or, in California, already overlfowing and understaffed prisons. Honestly, we wouldn't have anywhere to put these so-called "felons." California is a primary example of how simply locking people up for everything is not a sustainable practice. Of course, it could conceivably work if facism keeps growing in the States and it becomes legal to starve and torture inmates.

Yeah, I know. I'm a fucking ray of sunshine, aren't I?

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