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  • MONDAY SEPTEMBER 3 2007 4:00 AM

With Friends Like These, Who Needs Friends?



Recently I was talking with a new-to-social-networks friend of mine about what the hell we're doing with all these online communities. I pointed out that while a benefit of these systems is collecting your friends in one place, it's still fairly difficult to differentiate between loose and strong ties. That is, what's the difference between someone you've known for 10 years vs. someone you just met at a party? In your head you know that the long time friend is a different kind of a connection, but the SNS haven't been able to figure that out yet. There are probably things you'd tell one friend that you aren't sure yet about telling the person you just met, but when your only option is friend or not friend, how do you control what info goes to what people?

Facebook has an option of friending someone while only allowing them to see your "limited profile" which is a step in the right direction, but honestly adding in one more level hardly solves the issue of classifying what is probably hundreds of different kinds of friends. In efforts to continue filing people into handy little categories there is now a "Top Friends" application that, similar to the "Top 8" on [ULR=http://myspace]MySpace, allows you to highlight people who are really your friends, or at least you really want people to think they are your friends. Not surprisingly these two steps actually cause more problems than they solve. In fact these actually take what are supposed to be comfortable social interactions and make them awkward and drama filled.

In the case of a limited profile, people know you've chosen this option the moment they click to your profile and only see half the info they can see on their other friends pages. In the case of a set of "Top" friends, more often than not there are people who think they should be in that list and will take it personally when they aren't included. Or worse, people you don't even know will ask you to put them in there and then you are forced to either do it, which negates the value of the list all together, or tell them "no" which puts you in an uncomfortable situation. Software and services designed to help facilitate social behavior should never create uncomfortable situations, but unfortunately it's all too common.



And this doesn't only apply to friends. Here on SuicideGirls we have the option of picking favorite girls. I'm fairly certain this feature was put in so members could highlight the sets and photos of the girls they really liked, but quickly it became a status issue with "favorite" spots on certain members pages becoming coveted achievements. Recently I actually deleted all of my favorites because I was sick of getting messages from girls asking to be added to my list. Not responding, or saying no totally sucked, but I didn't want to just add them to a list that was supposed to be something I hand picked so rather than keep stressing about I just killed that list all together.



While my take-my-ball-and-go-home solution works for some people, others are resorting to a different form of not playing. Xeni Jardin from BoingBoing responded to a question asked on twitter about these friends lists creating awkward situations by saying, "I recently changed all my 'top friends' on MySpace to non-human entities (blogs, tv shows, dead cultural icons) for that VERY reason." If there's no way to tell your real friends from your casual acquaintances, and very special lists of very special friends have to be deleted to stacked with things other than actual friends so as not to hurt any feelings -- doesn't that kind of defeat the point? Have you ever felt obligated to put someone in a list you really didn't think they belonged in? How did you deal with it?

 

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Vindice

Vindice

United Kingdom
February 2005

SEP 04, 2007 12:20 PM

I don't really care that much.

Pistolita

Pistolita

SUICIDEGIRL

Oregon, USA

SEP 04, 2007 12:36 PM

girls actually messaged you asking to be on your top friends? What is the world coming to!?

_Brody_

_Brody_

Cardiff By The Sea, CA
February 2007

SEP 04, 2007 01:35 PM

Wolfgang_ said:
People generally suck.



LOL. Yes.






I ended up putting my friend on my top on myspace cos he said I'd be his number one... and one of his friends hates me and said she'd take him off of HER friends list if I was ahead of her.

And I liked causing drama.

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

SEP 04, 2007 03:51 PM

BrodyistheSHIT said:
I ended up putting my friend on my top on myspace cos he said I'd be his number one... and one of his friends hates me and said she'd take him off of HER friends list if I was ahead of her.

That's weird, why his friend hate you?

And I liked causing drama.


I'd like to retract my previous question.

phoenixorcism

phoenixorcism

Australia
June 2006

SEP 04, 2007 04:42 PM

Clidna said:

phoenixorcism said:
I had one internet dependent loser threaten to kill himself and delete his myspace after I deleted him from my page.
He did neither.
Maybe it's the modern day version of a popularity contest.
There really are some people out there who's total existence revolves around this shit.



Bahahahaha!!! Seriously? "I'm going to kill myself because you deleted me" is bad enough, but "I'm going to kill myself and delete my MySpace because you deleted me" is worse... "This is what you've driven me to!!!"

*still snickering*



Me too!
tongue

Virtute

Virtute

Brooklyn, NY
July 2007

SEP 04, 2007 07:49 PM

Subrosa said:

JohnHaverchuck said:
With friends like you, who needs friends?



Dear JohnHaverchuck,

I am sorry to say that I have secretly found out that Mr. Blume is having an affair with Miss Cross. My first suspicions came when I saw them Frenching in front of our house. And then I knew for sure when they went skinny dipping in Mr. Blume's swimming pool, giving each other handjobs while you were taking a nap on the front porch.


Thanks for telling me. You're such a good friend.

swingkungfu

swingkungfu

Washington Crossing, PA
November 2005

SEP 05, 2007 12:31 AM

AceT said:

swingkungfu said:
Hold on, people actually put that much thought into this stuff?


Yes. This may come as a shock to you, but it's some people's job to put this much thought into this stuff. And this may come as a bigger shock, they make billions of dollars doing it. So, it's kind of relevant, wether you think so or not.

The answer is an obvious 'yes,' cause hey, the 'society' we live in today is just 'ridiculous.'

How about we just don't get worked up over some HTML?


Getting "worked up" over this stuff is how innovation happens. You can feel free to allow companies to keep delivering the status quo, I prefer progress.



it's myspace, facebook and blogs. get over it. this 'top friends' crisis can be solved pretty easily, and doesn't need a room full of brains to do it.

_Elichrusos

_Elichrusos

Australia
November 2004

SEP 05, 2007 12:46 AM

swingkungfu said:

AceT said:

swingkungfu said:
Hold on, people actually put that much thought into this stuff?


Yes. This may come as a shock to you, but it's some people's job to put this much thought into this stuff. And this may come as a bigger shock, they make billions of dollars doing it. So, it's kind of relevant, wether you think so or not.

The answer is an obvious 'yes,' cause hey, the 'society' we live in today is just 'ridiculous.'

How about we just don't get worked up over some HTML?


Getting "worked up" over this stuff is how innovation happens. You can feel free to allow companies to keep delivering the status quo, I prefer progress.



it's myspace, facebook and blogs. get over it. this 'top friends' crisis can be solved pretty easily, and doesn't need a room full of brains to do it.


So solve it. Click your magic penis fingers, and personally redesign every SNS site so as to allow easy grouping and ranking of friends without causing a scene.

And stop using apostrophes around random words for no grammatical reason, douche.

What *I* don't get is why this problem needs innovation to solve it. Livejournal has had friends groups for years.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

SEP 05, 2007 01:03 AM

The few people I consider my really close friends aren't on either MySpace or Facebook--that I'm aware of anyway--and if they are I can guarantee you they're not sitting there bitching and moaning because they're not on my friends list. But then again, I'm getting old, and all this shit came around past our "high-school drama" phase.

I could really care less, but I think it's good people are being innovative when it comes to these types of issues. There have been a couple times on SG and MySpace when I wish I had a more precise choice in who got to read my blog.

SaRawr

SaRawr

I'm lost
May 2007

SEP 05, 2007 07:47 PM

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

_Elichrusos said:

swingkungfu said:

AceT said:

swingkungfu said:
Hold on, people actually put that much thought into this stuff?


Yes. This may come as a shock to you, but it's some people's job to put this much thought into this stuff. And this may come as a bigger shock, they make billions of dollars doing it. So, it's kind of relevant, wether you think so or not.

The answer is an obvious 'yes,' cause hey, the 'society' we live in today is just 'ridiculous.'

How about we just don't get worked up over some HTML?


Getting "worked up" over this stuff is how innovation happens. You can feel free to allow companies to keep delivering the status quo, I prefer progress.



it's myspace, facebook and blogs. get over it. this 'top friends' crisis can be solved pretty easily, and doesn't need a room full of brains to do it.


So solve it. Click your magic penis fingers, and personally redesign every SNS site so as to allow easy grouping and ranking of friends without causing a scene.

And stop using apostrophes around random words for no grammatical reason, douche.

What *I* don't get is why this problem needs innovation to solve it. Livejournal has had friends groups for years.



Well lookie who's not going to make it to swingkungfu's top 8.

swingkungfu

swingkungfu

Washington Crossing, PA
November 2005

SEP 14, 2007 10:40 PM

_Elichrusos said:

swingkungfu said:

AceT said:

swingkungfu said:
Hold on, people actually put that much thought into this stuff?


Yes. This may come as a shock to you, but it's some people's job to put this much thought into this stuff. And this may come as a bigger shock, they make billions of dollars doing it. So, it's kind of relevant, wether you think so or not.

The answer is an obvious 'yes,' cause hey, the 'society' we live in today is just 'ridiculous.'

How about we just don't get worked up over some HTML?


Getting "worked up" over this stuff is how innovation happens. You can feel free to allow companies to keep delivering the status quo, I prefer progress.



it's myspace, facebook and blogs. get over it. this 'top friends' crisis can be solved pretty easily, and doesn't need a room full of brains to do it.


So solve it. Click your magic penis fingers, and personally redesign every SNS site so as to allow easy grouping and ranking of friends without causing a scene.

And stop using apostrophes around random words for no grammatical reason, douche.

What *I* don't get is why this problem needs innovation to solve it. Livejournal has had friends groups for years.



or don't add people you don't want to read your sensitive, personal bullshit? or have two accounts, public and private, until that ultimate solution is finally figured out.

but oh noes, that might not be convenient!

myspace has the option to set preferred lists for blogs, and has for a loooooooooooooong time.

at some point we actually had to socialize with people...

AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

SEP 29, 2007 02:34 PM

http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/09/facebooks-killer-feature-coming-soon/

Back in August I suggested that if Facebook allowed you to place your friends in specific groups (e.g. professional, social, family, etc) and assign custom privacy settings, LinkedIn would be doomed. While Facebook is going to have to work toward putting an end to LinkedIn, they have announced their intention to launch this new feature. Facebook states:

We'll let you organize that long list of friends into groups so you can decide more specifically who sees what.

As Alexey Komissarouk told me: it doesn't get more official then that. This is a highly anticipated feature. A number of people posted comments on my article stating that this was a critical feature that Facebook should release in the near future. I couldn't agree more and fortunately, it looks like they are listening. Are you going to stop using LinkedIn when this new feature comes out?

Spladow

Spladow

Los Angeles, CA
November 2007

NOV 25, 2008 05:33 AM

i was just reading a discussion similar to this about twitter about the creation of group lists. Arguments against were that as a "micro-blog" it should be available to any readership just like a classic blog would be available and that it is actually beneficial not to draw distinctions between your friends and acquaintances because it encourages a more comfortable interaction that could lead to a better general understanding of people

The pro argument generally seemed based on the idea of twitter as a way of sending messages to friends and were generally focused either on the benefits of being able to designate people by region so you could coordinate actual physical interaction without cluttering up everyone else's feed.or the possibility of just one or two people that you didn't want to receive certain posts from you. Like maybe I'd have a group full of my family members that i put on a list I'd ban from any posts about me shooting heroin or something.

Its all interesting stuff to think about.

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