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  • MONDAY SEPTEMBER 3 2007 4:00 AM

With Friends Like These, Who Needs Friends?



Recently I was talking with a new-to-social-networks friend of mine about what the hell we're doing with all these online communities. I pointed out that while a benefit of these systems is collecting your friends in one place, it's still fairly difficult to differentiate between loose and strong ties. That is, what's the difference between someone you've known for 10 years vs. someone you just met at a party? In your head you know that the long time friend is a different kind of a connection, but the SNS haven't been able to figure that out yet. There are probably things you'd tell one friend that you aren't sure yet about telling the person you just met, but when your only option is friend or not friend, how do you control what info goes to what people?

Facebook has an option of friending someone while only allowing them to see your "limited profile" which is a step in the right direction, but honestly adding in one more level hardly solves the issue of classifying what is probably hundreds of different kinds of friends. In efforts to continue filing people into handy little categories there is now a "Top Friends" application that, similar to the "Top 8" on [ULR=http://myspace]MySpace, allows you to highlight people who are really your friends, or at least you really want people to think they are your friends. Not surprisingly these two steps actually cause more problems than they solve. In fact these actually take what are supposed to be comfortable social interactions and make them awkward and drama filled.

In the case of a limited profile, people know you've chosen this option the moment they click to your profile and only see half the info they can see on their other friends pages. In the case of a set of "Top" friends, more often than not there are people who think they should be in that list and will take it personally when they aren't included. Or worse, people you don't even know will ask you to put them in there and then you are forced to either do it, which negates the value of the list all together, or tell them "no" which puts you in an uncomfortable situation. Software and services designed to help facilitate social behavior should never create uncomfortable situations, but unfortunately it's all too common.



And this doesn't only apply to friends. Here on SuicideGirls we have the option of picking favorite girls. I'm fairly certain this feature was put in so members could highlight the sets and photos of the girls they really liked, but quickly it became a status issue with "favorite" spots on certain members pages becoming coveted achievements. Recently I actually deleted all of my favorites because I was sick of getting messages from girls asking to be added to my list. Not responding, or saying no totally sucked, but I didn't want to just add them to a list that was supposed to be something I hand picked so rather than keep stressing about I just killed that list all together.



While my take-my-ball-and-go-home solution works for some people, others are resorting to a different form of not playing. Xeni Jardin from BoingBoing responded to a question asked on twitter about these friends lists creating awkward situations by saying, "I recently changed all my 'top friends' on MySpace to non-human entities (blogs, tv shows, dead cultural icons) for that VERY reason." If there's no way to tell your real friends from your casual acquaintances, and very special lists of very special friends have to be deleted to stacked with things other than actual friends so as not to hurt any feelings -- doesn't that kind of defeat the point? Have you ever felt obligated to put someone in a list you really didn't think they belonged in? How did you deal with it?

 

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end_of_innocence

Milton, ON
April 2006

SEP 03, 2007 08:15 PM

Saraphine said:
My rule is that if I like your pic, I'll put you up there. If your pic suddenly changes and sucks, I may take it down. So what?




so now we're discrimating based on picture too?

in all seriousiness, that's a good idea. it forces people to be creative and then if they want a "spot" they'd have to earn it

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

SEP 03, 2007 08:23 PM

end_of_innocence said:

Saraphine said:
My rule is that if I like your pic, I'll put you up there. If your pic suddenly changes and sucks, I may take it down. So what?


so now we're discrimating based on picture too?

in all seriousiness, that's a good idea. it forces people to be creative and then if they want a "spot" they'd have to earn it

Not to mention, it keeps those "pesky" ugly people down at the bottom where they need to be. It should never be based on someone's character or whether or not they are an actual friend.

Because what this world needs is to be more shallow. smile

CancerSticker

CancerSticker

Austin, TX
February 2007

SEP 03, 2007 09:56 PM

PointBlank said:
The way i tell my really good friends from the not-so-good ones because I don't need a website to talk to them.



+1

aaronthere

aaronthere

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

SEP 04, 2007 12:06 AM

Who here wants to join the hottest new website, Aquaintance-ster? Oh well, it did have a nice ring to it.

SaRawr

SaRawr

I'm lost
May 2007

SEP 04, 2007 01:35 AM

The top 8 friends application works out great for me. I have exactly 8 people that I care about. Everyone else can suck my dick. Without the top 8 application, how would those 8 ever know that they're my REAL friends? And don't think I waste my time talking to people who aren't on Facebook AND MySpace.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Or, you know, I can be friends with grown ups who don't care or even notice that shit.

Johnny_Flapjacks

Johnny_Flapjacks

Williamsport, PA
September 2006

SEP 04, 2007 05:45 AM

I'm sad that people take this stuff so seriously. Top friends??? My best friends in life know who they are, and don't need my myspace page to tell them that.

geo35

geo35

Minneapolis, MN
January 2003

SEP 04, 2007 06:13 AM

Jennifer_ said:
If they're such good friends, why is it so hard to remember for yourself how much you like them? Why would you need a computer telling you that they're your 'top friends'?
Surely if they're 'top friends' then you have pretty regular and meaningful offline contact with these people and can figure it out for yourself.



Amen, sister!

Just because computers exist, we've "computerized" everything, including how we relate to our friends. It's ridiculous and unnecessary.

What defines a "friend" nowadays? I had a girlfriend dump me once and run off with my Amex card. My best friend loaned me five grand to cover me for her spending spree. Try calling your top SG "friends" for that kind of support in your next train wreck.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

SEP 04, 2007 06:20 AM

JohnHaverchuck said:
With friends like you, who needs friends?



Dear JohnHaverchuck,

I am sorry to say that I have secretly found out that Mr. Blume is having an affair with Miss Cross. My first suspicions came when I saw them Frenching in front of our house. And then I knew for sure when they went skinny dipping in Mr. Blume's swimming pool, giving each other handjobs while you were taking a nap on the front porch.

edith

edith

France
April 2006

SEP 04, 2007 06:25 AM

Saraphine said:
What saddens and alarms me is to hear my late 20s, early 30s real life friends getting upset because their new boyfriend didn't put them in their top 8, or even from my own ex b that HE wasn't in my top 8. It truly, truly saddens me....my rule is that if I like your pic, I'll put you up there. If your pic suddenly changes and sucks, I may take it down. So what? The internet has turned us all into children. Children who can't read or write and feel the need to alert us of their upcoming show every goddamned hour. bok



i think this is funny too. yeah, the 14 year olds with myspace..i GET it. but when 34 year olds start fussing about who belongs in their top 8...um

there are codes that make your entire friends lists disappear. try them

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

SEP 04, 2007 06:45 AM

Roethke said:

PointBlank said:
The way i tell my really good friends from the not-so-good ones because I don't need a website to talk to them.



Oh, snap.

Girls message members about getting into their favorites list? I find that very funny. Everyone knows the best way to make someone love you is to nag them.



Why haven't you nagged me, lately?

Clidna

Clidna

Canada
January 2005

SEP 04, 2007 06:58 AM

Jennifer_ said:
If they're such good friends, why is it so hard to remember for yourself how much you like them? Why would you need a computer telling you that they're your 'top friends'?
Surely if they're 'top friends' then you have pretty regular and meaningful offline contact with these people and can figure it out for yourself.



I personally use the Top Friends app so that when I go onto Facebook, I have a quick link to their pages, and don't have to scroll through a couple hundred people that I went to school with/worked with. It's not to "remind myself" that they are my friends. And they may not be people I see regularly, ie. out-of-town friends and relatives.

Clidna

Clidna

Canada
January 2005

SEP 04, 2007 07:01 AM

Jennifer_ said:

PointBlank said:
The way i tell my really good friends from the not-so-good ones because I don't need a website to talk to them.


Amen to that.



If you've just had a baby, and thus can't get out much, it can stop you from going crazy - plus it's cheaper than long distance wink

_panda_

_panda_

I'm lost
November 2005

SEP 04, 2007 07:07 AM

Saraphine said:
What saddens and alarms me is to hear my late 20s, early 30s real life friends getting upset because their new boyfriend didn't put them in their top 8, or even from my own ex b that HE wasn't in my top 8. It truly, truly saddens me....my rule is that if I like your pic, I'll put you up there. If your pic suddenly changes and sucks, I may take it down. So what? The internet has turned us all into children. Children who can't read or write and feel the need to alert us of their upcoming show every goddamned hour. bok



Good point!!!

how come I am not in your top 8?

Clidna

Clidna

Canada
January 2005

SEP 04, 2007 09:00 AM

phoenixorcism said:
I had one internet dependent loser threaten to kill himself and delete his myspace after I deleted him from my page.
He did neither.
Maybe it's the modern day version of a popularity contest.
There really are some people out there who's total existence revolves around this shit.



Bahahahaha!!! Seriously? "I'm going to kill myself because you deleted me" is bad enough, but "I'm going to kill myself and delete my MySpace because you deleted me" is worse... "This is what you've driven me to!!!"

*still snickering*

RileyStClair

RileyStClair

Los Angeles, CA
September 2006

SEP 04, 2007 09:19 AM

Saraphine said:
What saddens and alarms me is to hear my late 20s, early 30s real life friends getting upset because their new boyfriend didn't put them in their top 8, or even from my own ex b that HE wasn't in my top 8. It truly, truly saddens me....my rule is that if I like your pic, I'll put you up there. If your pic suddenly changes and sucks, I may take it down. So what? The internet has turned us all into children. Children who can't read or write and feel the need to alert us of their upcoming show every goddamned hour. bok



i'm not gonna lie, i think social networking sites are silly, but if i have a bf and he's got a myspace or a facebook profile and i'm not in his "top friends", i would feel kind of sad.

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