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  • MONDAY SEPTEMBER 3 2007 4:00 AM

With Friends Like These, Who Needs Friends?



Recently I was talking with a new-to-social-networks friend of mine about what the hell we're doing with all these online communities. I pointed out that while a benefit of these systems is collecting your friends in one place, it's still fairly difficult to differentiate between loose and strong ties. That is, what's the difference between someone you've known for 10 years vs. someone you just met at a party? In your head you know that the long time friend is a different kind of a connection, but the SNS haven't been able to figure that out yet. There are probably things you'd tell one friend that you aren't sure yet about telling the person you just met, but when your only option is friend or not friend, how do you control what info goes to what people?

Facebook has an option of friending someone while only allowing them to see your "limited profile" which is a step in the right direction, but honestly adding in one more level hardly solves the issue of classifying what is probably hundreds of different kinds of friends. In efforts to continue filing people into handy little categories there is now a "Top Friends" application that, similar to the "Top 8" on [ULR=http://myspace]MySpace, allows you to highlight people who are really your friends, or at least you really want people to think they are your friends. Not surprisingly these two steps actually cause more problems than they solve. In fact these actually take what are supposed to be comfortable social interactions and make them awkward and drama filled.

In the case of a limited profile, people know you've chosen this option the moment they click to your profile and only see half the info they can see on their other friends pages. In the case of a set of "Top" friends, more often than not there are people who think they should be in that list and will take it personally when they aren't included. Or worse, people you don't even know will ask you to put them in there and then you are forced to either do it, which negates the value of the list all together, or tell them "no" which puts you in an uncomfortable situation. Software and services designed to help facilitate social behavior should never create uncomfortable situations, but unfortunately it's all too common.



And this doesn't only apply to friends. Here on SuicideGirls we have the option of picking favorite girls. I'm fairly certain this feature was put in so members could highlight the sets and photos of the girls they really liked, but quickly it became a status issue with "favorite" spots on certain members pages becoming coveted achievements. Recently I actually deleted all of my favorites because I was sick of getting messages from girls asking to be added to my list. Not responding, or saying no totally sucked, but I didn't want to just add them to a list that was supposed to be something I hand picked so rather than keep stressing about I just killed that list all together.



While my take-my-ball-and-go-home solution works for some people, others are resorting to a different form of not playing. Xeni Jardin from BoingBoing responded to a question asked on twitter about these friends lists creating awkward situations by saying, "I recently changed all my 'top friends' on MySpace to non-human entities (blogs, tv shows, dead cultural icons) for that VERY reason." If there's no way to tell your real friends from your casual acquaintances, and very special lists of very special friends have to be deleted to stacked with things other than actual friends so as not to hurt any feelings -- doesn't that kind of defeat the point? Have you ever felt obligated to put someone in a list you really didn't think they belonged in? How did you deal with it?

 

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d20

d20

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

SEP 03, 2007 12:34 PM

With Friends Like These, Who Needs COINTELPRO?

Roethke

Roethke

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

SEP 03, 2007 01:06 PM

PointBlank said:
The way i tell my really good friends from the not-so-good ones because I don't need a website to talk to them.



Oh, snap.

Girls message members about getting into their favorites list? I find that very funny. Everyone knows the best way to make someone love you is to nag them.

Jennifer_

Jennifer_

Venezuela
November 2006

SEP 03, 2007 01:06 PM

PointBlank said:
The way i tell my really good friends from the not-so-good ones because I don't need a website to talk to them.


Amen to that.

Wren

Wren

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

SEP 03, 2007 01:33 PM


Recently I actually deleted all of my favorites because I was sick of getting messages from girls asking to be added to my list.



"HI I DONT KNOW U BUT CAN I BE 1 OF UR FAVE SGS PLS K THKS"

geekgurl

geekgurl

Philadelphia, PA
June 2003

SEP 03, 2007 02:06 PM

Should I now feel bad cause nobody's asked me to add them to my top friend's list? whatever

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

SEP 03, 2007 02:42 PM

Roethke said:
Girls message members about getting into their favorites list? I find that very funny. Everyone knows the best way to make someone love you is to nag them.


I also find this amazing. If an SG sent me a message like that I would never stop laughing.

TAFKASP

TAFKASP

Oakland, CA
June 2003

SEP 03, 2007 02:55 PM

I haven't the time to think about human social-networking site problems. I'm busy building the social-networking site of the future, catering strictly to robots.


"Hey guys, check out my new blog, LOL!"
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xazapdmytinu

xazapdmytinu

Fort Collins, CO
July 2007

SEP 03, 2007 04:38 PM

I made all my top 8 bands at one point but then they made the top 12 or 24 or whatever and I had exactly enough hoo-mahn friend/acquaintances that it worked out.

I had a couple friends stop talking to each other over a myspace demotion...honestly how crap is that.

and I've also had people notify me of their relationship status over facebook...how hard is it to just say, "Whoa there Tiger, I'm seeing someone, but thanks for the interest...can I introduce you to my ka-wai japanese international student roommate?"

apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

SEP 03, 2007 04:56 PM

What's wrong with just telling people the shit you want them to know?

Saraphine

Saraphine

SUICIDEGIRL

Pennsylvania, USA

SEP 03, 2007 05:07 PM

What saddens and alarms me is to hear my late 20s, early 30s real life friends getting upset because their new boyfriend didn't put them in their top 8, or even from my own ex b that HE wasn't in my top 8. It truly, truly saddens me....my rule is that if I like your pic, I'll put you up there. If your pic suddenly changes and sucks, I may take it down. So what? The internet has turned us all into children. Children who can't read or write and feel the need to alert us of their upcoming show every goddamned hour. bok

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

SEP 03, 2007 05:10 PM

The problem I have experienced that happens with this; is the friends only blog. Of course it is a good idea to lock out just anyone from reading what you consider private information, but what happens when you have some "friends" you don't want reading it? There is a convenience to being able to write about an experience and share it with all your close friends in one place, that is taken away when there are a few on the list that are just acquaintances. The work around should be an option to select which friends you want reading a particular entry. MySpace has the preferred list, but it is irritating to set up.
Anyway, back the other part of this. Any person who'd be upset over where they reside in "rank" on a friends list I have on a website, has automatically disqualified themselves from being on the list.

Davoxrelentless

Davoxrelentless

United Kingdom
January 2007

SEP 03, 2007 05:44 PM

tthe kind of sites being talked about arnt for all aspects of you there just for ego's, meaning your ego decides what you want be showed and what you what people to think of you wiether it be bad or good...id say most people you couldnt tell much from there myspace or facebook ect about what there really like, but then theres a huge number of folk who really are all ego...

Dr_Pwnage

Dr_Pwnage

Gainesville, FL
February 2005

SEP 03, 2007 07:00 PM

I think that this is a very relevant and thought provoking issue.

I don't have these problems, though, because I am just not that popular. It must be very difficult.

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

SEP 03, 2007 07:05 PM

buzzsaw71 said:
I think that this is a very relevant and thought provoking issue.

I don't have these problems, though, because I am just not that popular. It must be very difficult.

I don't have those problems either but it's because I simply don't care about the issue.

I also don't care to hang out or know anyone who's that fragile and emotional.

phoenixorcism

phoenixorcism

Australia
June 2006

SEP 03, 2007 07:17 PM

I had one internet dependent loser threaten to kill himself and delete his myspace after I deleted him from my page.
He did neither.
Maybe it's the modern day version of a popularity contest.
There really are some people out there who's total existence revolves around this shit.

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