i see mostly younger people shifting to facebook over myspace. im 31, i hardly ever see or hear of people my age shifting. its the next generation, those in the teens to early 20s range.

i met someone 21 recently who talked about facebook so i finally went to check it out. i decided to see who from my school was on it since it seems to be quite the thing in schools these days. sure enough, starting with my graduating class and moving forward in years, the evidence showed true. In my year, only 4 or so users, none of which i even recall, but appear to have been goody two shoes. then with each year forward, a few more, then a few more, then one year in particular, it seems to explode. must have been the year facebook began perhaps, and ive just been out of the loop...

facebook also seems to allow more privacy, so i see girls shifting over to it to dodge creeps and stalker/lurker types easier. i dont seem to have any problems with those types, and im just too fucking lazy to be honest, so myspace it stays.

interesting article.

I don't know about America, but in Australia half the 'alternative kids', 'artists', 'punks, emos and goths' that I know are from 'middle class' (ie upper working class) background and a lot of them do go to University. Most certainly wouldn't go into the military at the end of school.

It seems like she's just trying to dichotomise everyone into "University" going jocks and cheerleaders, and working class 'reject' 'outsiders' , to prove her point about class differences between My Space and Facebook.

I think if she explained the division as being between those who uphold the values of middle class America, versus those who reject those values or are outside of those values to begin with, it might be a bit more accurate.

Ethnographer or not, that sounded a little creepy.

Is it really ethnographic research if the subject didn't exist five years ago and will be irrelevant in ten, or is it just self absorbed and self promotional crap that only marketers will remotely give as shit about?

This is about as important as the fucking hula hoop, but baby, you're the ginchiest.

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who say there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't.

Almost all dichotomies are false.

Facebook (I have no account) and MySpace (have an account, but it just generates spam - and I have a graduate degree by the way.) are competitors positioning themselves for market share. Once one of them outdoes the other, it will start looking like that which it sought to destroy.

In short, when Facebook is all that is left, it will start looking like MySpace and some upstart competitor will be siphoning off all the early adopters.

I couldn't agree more, but then I am partial to the ideas of Levi-Strauss and Derrida.

Ethnography implies that it's based on fieldwork - lots of participant observation - and that it results in a lot of indepth descriptive writing about a social/cultural phenomena... so in that sense it is methodolgoically virtually ethnographic, even though in terms of ethnography as a tradition of writing it may be a very poor example. But yeah, I agree with your point that in ten years time when the My Space vs Facebook market war is over, it isn't really going to last as significant Sociological research, and that it is of more interest to marketers looking to define the demographics of consumers, then it is to Sociologists pondering Cultural Capital.

Meh. For what it's worth, I think Facebook's far and away the superior service for a lot of reasons, and so do my "ne'er do-well" friends -- goths, punks, "art fags." There's no real class division except, on either service, the ones who are actually using it -- sending messages, making and joining groups, having actual discussions, etc. -- tend to be the outsiders. Most people just let it sit, making the occasional "haha lol" post somewhere.

I think this is precisely the kind of subject where it's easy to find evidence to support whatever conclusion you want to draw. I could argue both sides of this one all day.

Also, I actually get a lot done with my Facebook.

For me, it seems that the big difference between the two is the level of angst present. Facebook seems to posses a certain level of maturity, offers things to people who are out of high school, where as myspace caters more to the high school mindset. Case and point, if you look at myspace bulletins, especially the "answer and repost" surveys seem to have a lot of questions that seem almost silly to ask anyone out of high school, such as "Have you ever left your house without telling your parents?" That was taken directly from a survey from a myspace bulletin, and I would share others about such delicate subjects as "making out" and "driving" but I wont take precious space on these here internets.

Facebook just seems to be less, well, silly. While it does have its moments with its varied applications, something about it just seems less childish. Not all that much, but enough to make a difference.

Interesting article...

PS. I am a firm Facebook fan, having made the move across from MySpace a couple of months ago.

I'm sticking with myspace because that's where SG's wallace, stormy and voltaire keep journals

I loved reading the MSNBC article you linked to. The woman who wrote that said boyd spelled 'paradigm' incorrectly (or, she used '(sic)'), when, in fact, it was correct. She then went on to declare the original article to be full of typos and grammatical errors, despite the fact that there were none.

Got to love people who don't actually pay attention to what they read, and then go on to judge everyone else.

Dichotomies, even false ones, can be useful if they stir up the brain cells. In this spirit, it seems to me we have a conflict here between "good and evil." The snobs and rip-off artists move to Facebook while those who value democratic ideals and hard work stick with MySpace. I've attended many universities, got my degrees, and my shit still stinks. Go MySpace!

Um, it's not exactly that clear cut. The original article by danah boyd made that explicitly clear.

And, while I have a MySpace, I just say 'meh' to both MS and Facebook. One's not 'more mature' than the other, or 'less silly', they are what they are. To think is to buy into a rather juvenile marketing machine (no offense to anyone intended).

this was totally on boingboing like a month ago.

interesting use of the word "hang out" - how do you hang out on a website?