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  • MONDAY AUGUST 13 2007 4:00 AM

Facebook Vs. MySpace: What's Class Got To Do With It?


(Photograph by Mack Reed)

At least twice a month someone asks me for a link to my page on MySpace -- I usually end up pointing them to a blog post I made about this time last year called, "MySpace can eat a bag of dick." The short version is that I got so frustrated with every single aspect of how MySpace works that I deleted my account, walked away, and never looked back. The interesting change is that at that point people were asking me for the link several times a week and it's been steadily decreasing since then. For the most part I'm not very vocal about my distaste for MySpace so I don't think that's why requests have slowed, instead I'm getting the same questions but now asking about my page on Facebook.

I'd been noticing more and more of my social circle moving over to Facebook but had just assumed it was the same kind of migration we'd seen a few years ago when people started moving off of Friendster and over to MySpace. This was just my assumption and I had little to back it up, so when danah boyd started talking about the same topic I was very interested. Turns out it's anything but the same kind of migration, and in fact is more of a division. A few months ago danah wrote a piece called, "Viewing American class divisions through Facebook and MySpace" where she noted that only certain kinds of people were leaving MySpace for Facebook but for some circles MySpace was still the premier SNS. After a bit of explanation about how "class" in America has less to do with how much money you make and more with who you surround yourself with, she points out where this split is happening:

The goodie two shoes, jocks, athletes, or other "good" kids are now going to Facebook. These kids tend to come from families who emphasize education and going to college. They are part of what we'd call hegemonic society. They are primarily white, but not exclusively. They are in honors classes, looking forward to the prom, and live in a world dictated by after school activities.

MySpace is still home for Latino/Hispanic teens, immigrant teens, "burnouts," "alternative kids," "art fags," punks, emos, goths, gangstas, queer kids, and other kids who didn't play into the dominant high school popularity paradigm. These are kids whose parents didn't go to college, who are expected to get a job when they finish high school. These are the teens who plan to go into the military immediately after schools. Teens who are really into music or in a band are also on MySpace. MySpace has most of the kids who are socially ostracized at school because they are geeks, freaks, or queers.


A very important note to make here is that danah's research focuses on high school kids only, as that's who she was speaking with directly before she came to these conclusions. It was interesting to see that among Facebook users, all of them knew about MySpace (and often had negative things to say about it), but frequently MySpace users hadn't ever heard of Facebook. As you might expect people misread her article, pulled bits out of context and jumped to conclusions prompting her to write a response a month later addressing many of the issues people brought up. The age issues was a big one, as was the use of race in her observations. In her follow up she clarified a bit more where all this info came from, stating:

When I talk about data, I'm not talking about my friends or what I hear from teenagers in Los Angeles (or San Francisco). I drive to disconnected communities and talk to teenagers from different schools about their lives. I hang out in public places where I watch teens. I hang out on MySpace and scan the micro-profiles that one can see on Facebook. I talk to parents, teachers, pastors, and community leaders from all over the nation. I talk to people from varied backgrounds, all to get at what's going on. The trick to ethnographic work like this is to understand the biases that are operating in the spheres you study. This is not survey work. This is about contextualizing what you learn, making sense of how an individual is or is not like her/his peers. This is not about random sampling, but sampling until you start to see patterns that are predictable, until you flesh out the domain. While individual experiences are important, when I'm drawing patterns, I'm talking beyond the individual - I'm trying to paint a meta portrait.


One point from her original piece that really struck me was how this division was reflecting in the military. She found that the educated Officers were all on Facebook, while the rank and file troops were hanging out on MySpace. MySpace was recently banned while Facebook remains accessible - perhaps because of who each site is reaching. danah writes:

MySpace is the primary way that young soldiers communicate with their peers. When I first started tracking soldiers' MySpace profiles, I had to take a long deep breath. Many of them were extremely pro-war, pro-guns, anti-Arab, anti-Muslim, pro-killing, and xenophobic as hell. Over the last year, I've watched more and more profiles emerge from soldiers who aren't quite sure what they are doing in Iraq. I don't have the data to confirm whether or not a significant shift has occurred but it was one of those observations that just made me think. And then the ban happened. I can't help but wonder if part of the goal is to cut off communication between current soldiers and the group that the military hopes to recruit.


Bringing this back to my own observations, my peers use their SNS for more than just staying in touch with a select circle of friends. Lots of business is done through these sites and connecting with the right network of people can make all the difference when launching or hyping a new project. As key figures in these networks jump from one ship to the other there are huge circles of people following their lead, in the same way popular kids in high school circles determine (often without knowing it) which sites their peers will be using simply by which they choose to stay on themselves. I personally shifted to Facebook simply because it worked, where MySpace never seemed to.


 

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Keri

Keri

SUICIDEGIRL

Virginia, USA

AUG 13, 2007 10:12 AM

isn't this already an article? Myspace/Facebook ?

anyways yes i can understand why there's a "class" difference. Facebook is (or used to be) for people who attend or teach school, and most of which have to have some kind of money. pretty simple to me.

Harlow

Harlow

United Kingdom
April 2006

AUG 13, 2007 10:32 AM

im 28. i went straight to work out of high school. i never did any further education. im white and english south african. initially i thought facebook was another crappy friend thing like myspace, bebo and friendster (all shite in my opinion altho i had a myspace profile which was gathering dust).

the reason i use facebook 99% of the time now is because it is sleek and private. easy to use, way, WAY easier than myspace and doesnt get clogged with a whole lot of subjective shit (apart from all the annoying apps now cropping up).

i only add people i actually know despite getting a lot of requests from strangers. i just ignore them. i like having an exclusive place my personal friends and i can keep in touch.

i keep myspace for all the industry and culture friends of the stuff im interested in.

i think facebook is more for actually communicating with friends, whereas myspace is a marketing and promotion tool.

and facebook works!

GonzoChaote

GonzoChaote

Vancouver, BC
March 2007

AUG 13, 2007 10:48 AM

OctEgon said:
Facebook's major leverage is that you can't turn your profile into unreadable garbage.



+1

I think the killer app of Facebook for me (I migrated months ago, but to be fair I practically never used my MySpace) is that it seems to be geared more towards connecting and keeping in contact with people you already know than dealing with dozens of people you've never seen before adding you for arbitrary reasons.

I think comic book writer/artist Brian Wood summed it up best when he said in his blog that he intended to only add people to his Facebook who he knows personally, while he would still continue to add fans and well wishers to his MySpace.

I run my social life out of Facebook. Having a party and only want to invite your close friends? Create an event. I've got it hooked up to my cell phone too, so I don't even have to be at my computer to get messages from my friends. MySpace can't do any of that.

Formus

Formus

Milwaukee, WI
May 2007

AUG 13, 2007 10:57 AM

Being on Facebook, and knowing a great deal of people who are on Facebook, I can truthfully say this is a load of crap. At least 90% of kids who have Myspace pages have Facebook pages too.

RileyStClair

RileyStClair

Los Angeles, CA
September 2006

AUG 13, 2007 11:42 AM

GonzoChaote said:

OctEgon said:
Facebook's major leverage is that you can't turn your profile into unreadable garbage.



+1

I think the killer app of Facebook for me (I migrated months ago, but to be fair I practically never used my MySpace) is that it seems to be geared more towards connecting and keeping in contact with people you already know than dealing with dozens of people you've never seen before adding you for arbitrary reasons.

I think comic book writer/artist Brian Wood summed it up best when he said in his blog that he intended to only add people to his Facebook who he knows personally, while he would still continue to add fans and well wishers to his MySpace.

I run my social life out of Facebook. Having a party and only want to invite your close friends? Create an event. I've got it hooked up to my cell phone too, so I don't even have to be at my computer to get messages from my friends. MySpace can't do any of that.



+1 facebook really does seem more geared towards communicating with one's friends and acquaintances than obtaining unnatural numbers of "friends" and trolling for hotties.

i personally will add just about anyone on myspace without discrimination, but keep facebook limited to people i actually know (or kind of know).

Gerry_D

Gerry_D

Los Angeles, CA
May 2003

AUG 13, 2007 12:17 PM

i flushed myspace for the same reason: didn't work.

the interface was garbage too - too much spam. sucked.

Markus001

Markus001

United Kingdom
November 2004

AUG 13, 2007 12:39 PM

OctEgon said:
Facebook's major leverage is that you can't turn your profile into unreadable garbage.



+1

I prefer facebook because people who are actually your friends rather than people who claim to be apply for your friendship.

Shell_Shock

Shell_Shock

Rockmart, GA
May 2007

AUG 13, 2007 01:25 PM

Lode_Runner said:


I hang out in public places where I watch teens.



Ethnographer or not, that sounded a little creepy.



I think this is just an example of a poor choice of words... but yeah, it does sound kind of weird. eeek

scribit

scribit

United Kingdom
June 2004

AUG 13, 2007 01:25 PM

rodan said:
interesting use of the word "hang out" - how do you hang out on a website?



i guess you sit there, refreshing your brouser, sorry for the spelling, i'm a lazy dyslexic

littlesherbert

littlesherbert

United Kingdom
November 2005

AUG 13, 2007 01:29 PM

i use both am i a 'queer' 'jock'.. i like to think so tongue xx

Calamity

Calamity

SUICIDEGIRL

New York, USA

AUG 13, 2007 01:57 PM

Kate said:
i use both facebook and myspace.

i dont understand why people get so uptight about having to migrate or whatever....no one says you have to pick just one. i use myspace to promote my art, and facebook to stay in contact with people i actually know.




Here here. I have 4 myspaces, all for different reasons. My facebook is stricktly friends-only.

fanboy37

fanboy37

Quantico, VA
October 2006

AUG 13, 2007 04:00 PM

interesting stuff....I signed on to myspace after hearing my friends harp about it for months on end....It's been great for me, letting me catch up with and renew friendships from years ago,

Also kind of interesting. I fall squarely into the category of "rank and file" military, and a lot of my "friends" on there are people I was stationed with over the years and would have otherwise lost touch with.

MySpace and all the SNS's may be a fad, but I think they'll be around for a while, my parents had a huge address book full of numbers and random slips of paper from whenever someone moved, i think for my generation and younger people especially, who are growing up with everything connected to the net, it'll be something that lasts.

Mav06

Mav06

I'm lost
September 2006

AUG 13, 2007 06:00 PM

interesting conclusions re: the military, but I think the author is overthinking things . . .

1) Facebook started for people .. . in college. To be an officer . . . you've gotta go to college! Wow! So hard to comprehend!

2) Some sinister anti-enlisted conspiracy through censoring myspace? I think not. Until recently, facebook didn't have things like, uh, blogs. And what did the DoD freak out about? Blogs! Hmm, what site have I seen these on before . . .

"So here I am, PVT Dude with the 1/A/2-69 ACR in Diyala, and man, I'm pissed . . . my commander won't let me sleep late because we're launching a raid tomorrow in bumfuckistan tomorrow at 0600 . . ."

Do I really need to explain why such posts were an issue? And it wasn't some huge thing; rather, it was a few dudes screwing it up for the rest of everyone. Imagine that. mass punishment in the military . . . hehe

asbestosman

asbestosman

Australia
October 2005

AUG 13, 2007 06:24 PM

OctEgon said:
Facebook's major leverage is that you can't turn your profile into unreadable garbage.



+1

I never could abide MySpace. Even in the rare case that you could read the text over the ridiculous background there's the problem of

It's like they got together and said 'what do we miss most from the internet in 1998? that's right, embedded MIDI!'


I do like the fact that my hilarious "sit on MySpace" line still works with "sit on my Facebook"

McKenneth

McKenneth

Macedon, NY
August 2005

AUG 13, 2007 06:47 PM

I was on Facebook before I got a Myspace. Then I realized that Myspace is fuckugly and I stuck with Facebook.

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