The 360 controller is no different from the PS2 controller.

If you replace the trigger buttons with second shoulder buttons and switch the D-pad and analog stick, it's virtually identical to the PS2 controller.

it is true though, you used to be able to play games with one button now you need six just to aim and shoot a gun.

A good example being killer 7 which I stopped playing as it took some many buttons just to shoot someone.

Well you used to be able to watch TV with four buttons. :shrug:

are we really having this disccussion? too many buttons? what a load of shit

"Moore's new outlook seems inspired by the Nintendo Wii"


that's because Nintendo is the end all be all of gaming...

buttons has fuck all to do with it, they just give you options, the developers decide whether to make them all do the same thing or make them all do different ones.
guitar hero doesn't have that many buttons, but it's much fucking harder to play properly than halo

Wow, to think Nintendo is inspiring fear.

Yah know.... I've kinda always wanted more buttons.

If you can drive a car, then you can use these controllers. I don't understand what the difficulty is. It's like how my mother, or most people I know over 40, just won't learn how to use the internet. It's not that complicated. Of course, I don't think women are as difficult as they're made out to be either, so what do I know?

Yeah, I picked it up and it pretty much is exactly the same hand placements and stuff.

The only thing about the difference in shape between the two, is the playstation controller is small enough to be able to have all four shoulder buttons covered, and the 360 needs your middle fingers underneath the controller to stabilize the size/weight. Though, that extra forward weight could be from the wireless shit inside it, and not just the size.

I wonder how the ps3 and its silver banana thing will fair, if it ever comes out.

Except the 360 controller is comfortable to hold, whereas the PS2 (and soon to be PS3 controller) is not.

You know, until consoles come standard with a fucking keyboard and the ability to map the buttons on the controller as I see fit, anythingh else they do with the controls is just a bunch of dick waving.

I worked on a video game internship last summer where we developed a PopCap-esque web game for the GDC's Student Showcase competition. We ended up with a two player simultaneous game, one player using the keyboard and another player using a joypad (Microsoft Sidewinder in this case, almost exactly identical to the Sega Genesis 6-button controller). The guy who was in charge of the internship was a hardcore gamer from the Pac-Man, Joust, and Arkanoid days turned venture capitalist. He was trying to start up a video game company and we were his test pilots.

When it finally got to the point where we were ready to show him how to play, we handed him the controller and he about had a stroke. He had no idea what to do. He said that he was really used to a control stick and maybe 3 buttons. He had no idea what the D-Pad did. He thought for a minute it was motion controlled (like the Wii will be). When we started playing he couldn't figure it out. These were simple controls (move, jump, throw something), and he just couldn't figure it out.

This is all by way of saying that, while Generation X and beyond kids can pick up a 16-button controller just fine, not everyone can do that. I applaud Microsoft for the effort, but it's pretty obviously a thinly-veiled attempt at taking a bite out of Nintendo's "more gamers via simplicity" approach, which blows.

Who exactly are they trying to draw in? Kids have no problem picking it up and older gamers have been using this stuff for years. The only other market is really older people who I think are unlikely to start playing anyway. You might get a few but are you really going to remake everything to please that small slice of the market?