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  • TUESDAY OCTOBER 16 2012 9:04 PM

A Guy’s Perspective: Good Friends Are Hard To Come By (Especially After 30)

by Symbol


[Morgan in In A Crowd]

This is the longest period I've been single in my adult life. I'm dating, but as I alluded to in my last article, I've only met people who aren't ready for any kind of serious relationship…and for the right now, that’s perfectly fine with me too.



I'm meeting more and more people who are only interested in open or poly-amorous relationships. Perhaps people are finally coming to realize that the monogamous relationship, which has been a cornerstone of our society for generations, just doesn't work for everyone.



I think, in part, one of the reasons people seem to enjoy open relationships so much is because of how much fun getting to meet new people can be. To be clear, I'm not one of those people who have shunned monogamy. I've tried the poly thing, and that green-eyed monster called jealousy just shuts me down every time – but at least I know my limits. So it boils down to where and how you meet people, and what do you do once you've met someone? 



I seem to have always met women in one of two places – on campus or in bars. Sometimes those bars were on campus, which just compounds the fact that I'm used to meeting women in a certain setting. A fairly formulaic ritual seems to have formed there too. I’d hang out somewhere, occasionally make eye contact, smile, and see if I could get a conversation going. It’s the conservative Canadian way of doing things, apparently, but it’s been quite successful for most of my life.



I tend to use humor extensively when getting to know women. The self-deprecating kind, especially if I've been drinking, or I'm nervous – though it takes quite a lot to make me nervous in front of anyone. If the attraction doesn’t seem to be mutual, I'm never the kind who pushes – I always back off right away. I respect women (and myself) far too much to be that guy.



What I have noticed though is that I've rarely (if ever) been what I’d call the pursuer when it comes to romance. I seem to attract strong, outgoing women who know what they want. Honestly, this suits me just fine – in fact when it comes to character traits, the stronger the woman the more attracted I usually am. If a woman knows what she wants and comes after it, that’s entirely all right in my books.



That’s not to say that I'm unfamiliar with how to meet and speak to people, quite the opposite. I'm definitely what you’d call an extrovert, it’s just that meeting new people seems to come much more easily to some than the rest of us. And truth be told, I think my most recent break-up mostly left me lacking one important thing: Confidence.



I spent the second week of October this year visiting Austin, Texas. I was down there for a work-related conference, and had the chance to meet up with some fantastic people – including someone who has been a professional idol of mine for many years. 



I’d been speaking with him via email for a few weeks, putting together notes and chatting about what we’d be talking about at the conference, and when I finally got to meet him in person he just casually walked up and offered his hand.



“Hi, I'm Chris.”



I think I must have heard him say those exact words at least a hundred times throughout the week. The reasoning for this is simple: I've never met anyone who makes friends quite so easily in my life as Chris, and he proved that time and time again.



Without running the risk of getting all fanboy, let me just say this: I could easily see how many people would be threatened by Chris. He’s a good looking, articulate, smart, successful guy and he charms his way into people’s hearts and minds. That might threaten some people, as I said, but I found something I’d not been expecting to find – my missing confidence.


Chris introduced me to another fantastically awesome guy, Jim. They’re both from California, and it makes me wonder if people aren’t just different out there. These two certainly have something in common when it comes to making new friends, and it appears to have rubbed off on me ever so slightly. 



They just walk up to people, without fear, and put themselves out there. Hands are extended, introductions are made, and smiles are exchanged. It all sounds really simple, but the teenager inside me, the one who grew up watching John Hughes films, refuses to believe it can be that easy.



So I mostly just sat back, like one of those crew members on a reality TV show about off-shore fishing, watching the guys who know what they were doing reel people in. I don’t want to make it sound like there was some sort of commercial girl-farming operation going on, quite the opposite. All kinds of people joined our little outings and they were always interesting and welcome additions to the conversations we were having. (As an aside, if you’ve never played giant 2×4 Jenga, you really should!)



We stayed together, pretty much, from Monday afternoon until Thursday evening – looking out for each other, keeping tabs on each other, and having a good time. Wednesday evening was the real acid test though, and a true testament to the quality and caliber of the two men I’m now proud to call friends.



One of the people we’d met while down there was a woman whose work I’ve followed now for a few years. I’ve always thought she was whip-smart when it comes to her writing, and a keen mind is a huge attraction for me. It doesn’t hurt that this woman is also staggeringly good-looking; I had a little bit of a crush.



She’s very much an out there kind of gal; it’s easy to be bowled over by her presence, her personality and her looks. She’s loud, shiny, funny and opinionated. If you’re following along you can see where this is going.



We spent the night at a bar on 6th Street – it was some sort of official party with an open bar – but more importantly, the New York Yankees were battling the Baltimore Orioles in the play-off’s and this girl is definitely a Yankees fan. I’ve never actually met someone who was so very passionate about a sporting team, and considering I’ve lived in the three biggest hockey towns in Canada, that’s saying something.



I must have met thirty to forty people that night – I held their presence, shook hands, smiled, made some small talk, but my attention always drifted back to the exuberant Yankees fan that was rarely more than a few inches away from me for the better part of the entire evening. The vexing thing about her, the thing that perplexed me the most, was simply this…



I can’t read her.



I mean, I can. Obviously she was interested in talking to me and we talked about a great number of things. We took some cute Instagram photos, we flirted most of the night until we left that bar for a second destination, walking arm in arm, belting out songs from Les Mis together. 



At some point in there she mentioned she’d be up in Montreal in November – to which I gleefully responded:



“You’ll have to let me take you out for dinner!”



She agreed, I smiled. But I honestly couldn’t tell you if it was a “We’re having a fun time, you’re a lot of laughs, let’s hang out again” kind of acceptance, or a “Sure! And I’ll bring all these other people I know along too and it will be great!” kind of deal. I’m not struggling over an existential crisis here, but I do find it kind of funny that mixed signals could mean the difference between this turning out like a John Hughes film or a Ben Stiller one.



So how does all of this tie back into Chris and Jim? Well, it was pretty evident to me that Chris also found her pretty attractive – and I have no doubt that if he’d wanted to, he could have held her interest in conversation effortlessly. But I think it was pretty obvious I was interested in her. (I may be pretty easy to read in that regard, and I seem to recall telling him I had a tiny crush on her, once or twice, after a few drinks.) So the four of us just spent the night sitting by a window, chatting about things we could all discuss. Conversation flowed easily, and everyone had a good time.



I rarely make meaningful, adult relationships with men, and the ones I have made tend to be permanent. I’ve always had a much easier time making friends with women. Where I’m going with all of this boils down to how two remarkable people shared with me something that I’d never experienced before in an adult relationship – quick and genuine friendship, the likes of which I’ve only ever really seen other people have.



We all had a great time; I got to meet some fantastic people, people that – if things were different – I’d rather spend a lot more time with than what I’ll be able too. I’m also going to start saving my pennies up for a visit to California, whenever that becomes a possibility. I’d hate to go into Big Jim withdrawal. 



I met some remarkable people, who I’m looking forward to getting to know in whichever ways become available. If being friends on Facebook is all that the future holds, then I’m just as happy to take that as I would be with dinner, drinks, or a walk in the park.



I’m not holding my breath that I’ll be standing in the rain at some point holding a boom-box, playing Peter Gabriel.



Not that the idea doesn’t have a certain appeal to it.

 
Comments
MisterSatan

MisterSatan

Portland, OR
August 2002

OCT 17, 2012 07:13 AM

You need to get laid.

Badly.

Stiles

Stiles

Philadelphia, PA
November 2002

OCT 17, 2012 10:49 AM

Decent enough article, but needs a bit of proofreading -

You're looking for "alluded", not "eluded". Also, humor, not humur.

...and yes, you need to get laid.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

OCT 17, 2012 12:53 PM

The title of this made me think you were going to spend more time on a phenomenon I've witnessed as I've grown older, about the difficulty that exists in making new friends from a cold start.

Simply put, once you are out of college, with constant forced-interaction (dorms, classes, study sessions, etc), making new friends becomes much more difficult. I recently moved to a new city and a new state. I knew exactly zero people here. Now, I am someone who will start up a conversation with a stranger about pretty much anything, and it will go on for quite a long time. I'm also someone who strangers will come up to and tell their most intimate secrets, but that's for another day.

Anyway, post-college, I lost quite a few of those skills that bring about close friendships. I had the whole "Friends" thing, where every night, a group would gather at one apartment (usually mine) just to hang out. But marriages and jobs pulled people away, and gradually, I was the only one left. And, yes, I did make other friends, but they were never that "family" dynamic I had.

Now, at 34, I have had exactly 1 decent, face-to-face conversation in the last 2 months. And that was with people I met on SG. Sure, I've talked casually to people every day, but nothing on what I would call a "friendship" level.

And, before you ask, no I'm not hiding in my apartment every day. In fact, I'm spending a fortune in quarters either riding the bus or parking downtown so I can be around people. But something still isn't clicking.

Making friends is harder now. It's no longer a matter of sharing my toys, commiserating over the school lunch menu, or trying to get that group presentation done around everyone's schedule.

Symbol

Symbol

Montreal, QC
June 2008

OCT 17, 2012 05:43 PM

Thanks for the concern about my sex life guys, I promise I'm doing okay in that department wink

Coyotemike, I believe it to be the case that once we’re forced to stop socializing by society, it becomes more difficult to form those bonds – without the required co-operation that things like classes and studying and campus pubs create – those types of interactive relationships become more challenging to form.

You could well argue that our co-workers replace our classmates, and to some extent you’re correct – but not entirely. I spend each day, all day, with the same people at my place of employment; they know all my stories. They know what I did all day; they know more about me than (typically) my girlfriend does. Simply put, we need people to be social with who aren’t part of the majority of our everyday lives.

Similarly, I think this relates to why we find it so easy to meet new friends when we’re on vacation – strangers, friendly strangers, who have entirely new stories – brand new things to talk about, things to share, experiences to have with each other; the shiny new aspect makes meeting new people in faraway places an almost intoxicating experience for some. I’ve certainly met some of the most interesting people in my life when I’m far away from home…

DexterMorgan

DexterMorgan

Los Angeles, CA
January 2008

OCT 17, 2012 06:21 PM

Coyotemike said:
The title of this made me think you were going to spend more time on a phenomenon I've witnessed as I've grown older, about the difficulty that exists in making new friends from a cold start. ...

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Simply put, once you are out of college, with constant forced-interaction (dorms, classes, study sessions, etc), making new friends becomes much more difficult. I recently moved to a new city and a new state. I knew exactly zero people here. Now, I am someone who will start up a conversation with a stranger about pretty much anything, and it will go on for quite a long time. I'm also someone who strangers will come up to and tell their most intimate secrets, but that's for another day.

Anyway, post-college, I lost quite a few of those skills that bring about close friendships. I had the whole "Friends" thing, where every night, a group would gather at one apartment (usually mine) just to hang out. But marriages and jobs pulled people away, and gradually, I was the only one left. And, yes, I did make other friends, but they were never that "family" dynamic I had.

Now, at 34, I have had exactly 1 decent, face-to-face conversation in the last 2 months. And that was with people I met on SG. Sure, I've talked casually to people every day, but nothing on what I would call a "friendship" level.

And, before you ask, no I'm not hiding in my apartment every day. In fact, I'm spending a fortune in quarters either riding the bus or parking downtown so I can be around people. But something still isn't clicking.

Making friends is harder now. It's no longer a matter of sharing my toys, commiserating over the school lunch menu, or trying to get that group presentation done around everyone's schedule.




This is what I was looking for when I read the title of this thread too.

Nicely written, Coyotemike!

I'm 38, and have had a similar experience in my post-scholastic period of adulthood, much to my chagrin. I've heard similar stories from friends/relatives in our 30s and beyond.


Symbol

Symbol

Montreal, QC
June 2008

OCT 17, 2012 10:24 PM

Article is cut off actually guys - here's the full text:

http://suicidegirlsblog.com/blog/a-guys-perspective-2/

METOO

METOO

Chicago, IL
October 2011

OCT 18, 2012 10:57 AM

We all need to get laid... but getting laid might get you a temporary/permanent girlfriend/wife but will she help you move? find a job or an apt?
I relate to this because I'm old enough to be girls fathers in a college setting (creeper) and the bar scene is still useful but realizing I'm 15-20 years older than the average hipster leaves my topics and time I can spend out limited, I need my sleep now.
I've made some casual acquaintances but again mostly the bar scene type guy friend.

Monogamy does work it just has an expiration date unknown (IMO) it's rare to have a lifelong marriage anymore.

cpkz

cpkz

Portland, OR
September 2006

OCT 18, 2012 01:01 PM

Symbol said:
it becomes more difficult to form those bonds – without the required co-operation that things like classes and studying and campus pubs create



Sociology 101. We are more attracted (attracted, as in drawn to, not necessarily in the romantic way, although that too) to people that seem familiar. So, if we see someone every day, our willingness to communicate with them increases. This is why many friendships are our peers, whether that be in the class room, work place, or religious organization, or they are our roommates / neighbors.

A little more advanced sociology is that people unite when they have a common adversary. For school and work, this would be your boss/teacher, your project load, or that annoying peer who asks dumb questions in meetings. Without that, it makes even harder for someone to willingly be your friend.

So my advice...set fire to your local pub. Your familiar there, and you now have a common adversary / goal of not burn to death. Boom, friendship. Also, there aren't any cooler "how we met stories" than ones that start with a building burning.

METOO

METOO

Chicago, IL
October 2011

OCT 18, 2012 05:01 PM

I've had success in apt. bldgs. meeting people. nothing like 80 or more living in one bldg. you hold the door open, help them find a lost whatever.

agonizer

agonizer

Burnsville, MN
October 2012

OCT 22, 2012 04:05 PM

I agree that it is harder to make friends, meaningful friendships that is, as we get older. I am lucky enough to have several close friends I've met post college. I do however totally understand what you meant with this article even if it got a little murky at times. The important part is being open to it, which clearly the article shows you are. Good read in any event.