An puerile article from an proud liberal who does not understand basic economics and has no appreciation that the capitalistic system has created the greatest and richest civilization ever seen on this planet. Yes we have had recent problems, primarily since the socialist fellow travellers in the Democratric party assumed control of Congess in 2006. The Democrats still controls the senate and the Presidency yet the Republicans are blamed for failures that have happened since 2006. Only a blind idealogue would not question that the Democrats are at least as much to blame, and in my opinion, almost wholly to blame for the current mess. As churchill said " if one is not liberal at twenty he has no heart,and if not conservative at forty he has no brain."

To the extent that the Democrats are to blame, it is because they have not been nearly liberal enough in their policies. The 2006 Democratic sweep of Congress didn't do a damn bit of good, because on major issues the new Congress simply bent over for the existing administration. Since then we've seen major victories in social liberalism--then end of DADT, for instance--but strikingly fewer initiatives on the fiscal liberalism front. There has been little more than a token effort to stymie the flow of wealth from the poorest in the country towards the richest in terms of help for home owners in default. More than there would have been under McCain, certainly, and more than there would be under Romney, but the overall attitude of conservatives in this country is "fuck the poor". Crime only matters when poor people commit it, government spending only matters when poor people receive it (find a fucking conservative willing to speak out against crop subsidies that mostly benefit corporate farms--there's your goddamn undeserved welfare recipients).

You're not seriously going to try to tell me that Romney is more likely to legalize pot. You're not seriously going to tell me that Romney is more likely to reduce or halt "secret" drone strikes. You're not seriously going to tell me that Romney is more likely to make any attempt to at least even out the flow of wealth, much less reverse it to bring opportunities for wealth generation back to the poor.

While I'm not satisfied with Obama's performance, a vote for Romney would be a vote for the worst of Obama's failures.

And, honestly, if conservative fiscal policy is so great, why are they trying to draw attention away from fiscal issues with this war on women bullshit?

Jesus. From "an puerile" to a quote that Churchill never said.
add the nonsense inbetween and we have one of the dopiest posts I've read on SG in a long time.

There's a lot (a lot) to mock in this article, but this is just dumb.

keet said:

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In my opinion, this whole election is ridiculous. We no longer have a government that represents the wants and needs of the people, it is completely self serving. The Executive, Judicial and Legislative Branches have all been bought and paid for, by large corporations and by a media that seeks to pit common people against one another with petty emotional issues to distract them from the much larger and far-reaching attacks they continually make on our freedoms.

Is Mitt Romney an idiot? Abso-fucking-lutely! Is he a worse choice than staying the course with Obama. At this point I couldn't say definitively. They seem to be two heads of the same political beast. Both have changed their stance too many times to tell. It is disappointing, however, to see so many people not holding President Obama accountable for some questionable (at best) legislation, including some serious civil rights violations.

This article was ridiculously slanted. Yes Republicans have gone more than a little crazy, but if you look at voting history and the president's own legislative history, they're all about the same. And empty endorsements on social issues, without any action to back it up don't mean anything to me.

What fascinates me most about this post is that you are a woman who is saying you can't see how Romney would be better than Obama. Especially considering Romney's and other conservatives rediculously anti-woman slant these past few years.

Sal_ said:

keet said:

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In my opinion, this whole election is ridiculous. We no longer have a government that represents the wants and needs of the people, it is completely self serving. The Executive, Judicial and Legislative Branches have all been bought and paid for, by large corporations and by a media that seeks to pit common people against one another with petty emotional issues to distract them from the much larger and far-reaching attacks they continually make on our freedoms.

Is Mitt Romney an idiot? Abso-fucking-lutely! Is he a worse choice than staying the course with Obama. At this point I couldn't say definitively. They seem to be two heads of the same political beast. Both have changed their stance too many times to tell. It is disappointing, however, to see so many people not holding President Obama accountable for some questionable (at best) legislation, including some serious civil rights violations.

This article was ridiculously slanted. Yes Republicans have gone more than a little crazy, but if you look at voting history and the president's own legislative history, they're all about the same. And empty endorsements on social issues, without any action to back it up don't mean anything to me.

What fascinates me most about this post is that you are a woman who is saying you can't see how Romney would be better than Obama. Especially considering Romney's and other conservatives rediculously anti-woman slant these past few years.

It's simple: I believe the two-party system, while legitimate in its origins, has become a complete farce. And while I am deeply saddened by the legislation that has been pushed through this year by Republicans (especially in Arizona), it seems suspicious that the party would choose an election year to alienate half the voting population. What concerns me more is a president who passes legislation that directly violates our constitutional rights, preemptively arrests people on the suspicion of possible future crimes, and sells us into debt to financial institutions that continue to operate outside the laws that govern the rest of us, and people still defend him as a beacon of hope and change. I don't like Romney, I don't think he would make a good president, but I don't support either candidate.

What it comes down to is actions. Throw out all the rhetoric from both candidates and look at where we are. Drones strikes ARE being carried out, the government IS carrying out raids on activists, the private sector IS suffering while our banks and corporations CONTINUE to give out millions in bonuses, despite poor performance. This is not about Republicans & Democrats, this is about widespread corruption. And it will continue until we stop allowing them to manipulate us.

keet said:

Sal_ said:

keet said:

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In my opinion, this whole election is ridiculous. We no longer have a government that represents the wants and needs of the people, it is completely self serving. The Executive, Judicial and Legislative Branches have all been bought and paid for, by large corporations and by a media that seeks to pit common people against one another with petty emotional issues to distract them from the much larger and far-reaching attacks they continually make on our freedoms.

Is Mitt Romney an idiot? Abso-fucking-lutely! Is he a worse choice than staying the course with Obama. At this point I couldn't say definitively. They seem to be two heads of the same political beast. Both have changed their stance too many times to tell. It is disappointing, however, to see so many people not holding President Obama accountable for some questionable (at best) legislation, including some serious civil rights violations.

This article was ridiculously slanted. Yes Republicans have gone more than a little crazy, but if you look at voting history and the president's own legislative history, they're all about the same. And empty endorsements on social issues, without any action to back it up don't mean anything to me.

What fascinates me most about this post is that you are a woman who is saying you can't see how Romney would be better than Obama. Especially considering Romney's and other conservatives rediculously anti-woman slant these past few years.

It's simple: I believe the two-party system, while legitimate in its origins, has become a complete farce. And while I am deeply saddened by the legislation that has been pushed through this year by Republicans (especially in Arizona), it seems suspicious that the party would choose an election year to alienate half the voting population. What concerns me more is a president who passes legislation that directly violates our constitutional rights, preemptively arrests people on the suspicion of possible future crimes, and sells us into debt to financial institutions that continue to operate outside the laws that govern the rest of us, and people still defend him as a beacon of hope and change. I don't like Romney, I don't think he would make a good president, but I don't support either candidate.

What it comes down to is actions. Throw out all the rhetoric from both candidates and look at where we are. Drones strikes ARE being carried out, the government IS carrying out raids on activists, the private sector IS suffering while our banks and corporations CONTINUE to give out millions in bonuses, despite poor performance. This is not about Republicans & Democrats, this is about widespread corruption. And it will continue until we stop allowing them to manipulate us.

I have to agree with much of this assessment. I look at both candidates and wonder why on earth I would vote for either of them. Neither have been particularly good for this country.

Sadly, they are but an extension of the party they represent. As such, they've lost all grip on the need for compromise, discussion, and respect of not only each other but the purpose for which they've been elected: serving the people. The only thing that counts is yelling, "I'm right, you're wrong" at the top of their lungs and not listening to the good ideas that the other side has.

It really saddens me that the current state of things is so eff'ed up.

vote socialist. turn the whole thing upside down.

If you vote for no other reason this November, vote because of THIS.

The next president may well appoint three Supreme Court justices (all of whom turn 80 before the end of the next term). The current split is 5-4 in favor of the conservatives. A Romney win would almost certainly cement a hard-right activist conservative majority for a long, long time.

This would be a disaster for this country, women's rights, voting rights, gay marriage, campaign finance reform, the environment, medical marijuana, you name it.

This is vitally important and will be the most important legacy of the winning side. If you at all acre about any of those causes listed above, get out and vote for Obama. Hold your nose if you have to, but do it, because if he loses and Romney wins, we may well be fucked for decades by a hard-right conservative Supreme Court that takes it upon themselves to roll back the clock everywhere they can for the next 20 years.

keet said:

Sal_ said:

keet said:

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In my opinion, this whole election is ridiculous. We no longer have a government that represents the wants and needs of the people, it is completely self serving. The Executive, Judicial and Legislative Branches have all been bought and paid for, by large corporations and by a media that seeks to pit common people against one another with petty emotional issues to distract them from the much larger and far-reaching attacks they continually make on our freedoms.

Is Mitt Romney an idiot? Abso-fucking-lutely! Is he a worse choice than staying the course with Obama. At this point I couldn't say definitively. They seem to be two heads of the same political beast. Both have changed their stance too many times to tell. It is disappointing, however, to see so many people not holding President Obama accountable for some questionable (at best) legislation, including some serious civil rights violations.

This article was ridiculously slanted. Yes Republicans have gone more than a little crazy, but if you look at voting history and the president's own legislative history, they're all about the same. And empty endorsements on social issues, without any action to back it up don't mean anything to me.

What fascinates me most about this post is that you are a woman who is saying you can't see how Romney would be better than Obama. Especially considering Romney's and other conservatives rediculously anti-woman slant these past few years.

It's simple: I believe the two-party system, while legitimate in its origins, has become a complete farce. And while I am deeply saddened by the legislation that has been pushed through this year by Republicans (especially in Arizona), it seems suspicious that the party would choose an election year to alienate half the voting population. What concerns me more is a president who passes legislation that directly violates our constitutional rights, preemptively arrests people on the suspicion of possible future crimes, and sells us into debt to financial institutions that continue to operate outside the laws that govern the rest of us, and people still defend him as a beacon of hope and change. I don't like Romney, I don't think he would make a good president, but I don't support either candidate.

What it comes down to is actions. Throw out all the rhetoric from both candidates and look at where we are. Drones strikes ARE being carried out, the government IS carrying out raids on activists, the private sector IS suffering while our banks and corporations CONTINUE to give out millions in bonuses, despite poor performance. This is not about Republicans & Democrats, this is about widespread corruption. And it will continue until we stop allowing them to manipulate us.

That doesn't really address what I said.

I was wondering how any woman(or other gender besides a white Christian male) could see Obama and Romney as being equal on things such as woman's, gay, transgender, minority, etc.. rights.

It just amazes me that anyone besides a white Christian male would not consider Romney the absolute worst choice given his track record on those issues and statements made about them.

I don't like Obama, but I sure as hell think he is a far superior option to the pseudo theocracy that the nation would become should romney get the presidency.

Agreed. My fear with a multi-party system is what is happening in Canada. The two "liberal" (NDP and Liberals) parties garnered significantly more votes that the Conservative Party of Canada, but because of the split, the CPC is in power. They are beginning to fuck the country U.S. style. The hard part is that, if the Liberals and NDP combined they'd be in control, but that would really make them a two party system again. They do have other parties, but none of them are a significant presence right now.

When it comes down to it, women, gay, transgender, minorities, etc are all part of a larger group of humanity. It is not so much that I don't identify with any of these groups or care about their rights, but that I feel President Obama and the government under his presidency has been a large violator of what I consider to be basic human civil rights - Freedom of Speech (protests, especially the Occupy movement), habeas corpus & the right to a trial (political assassinations, illegitimate arrests and detainment and maintaining Guantanamo bay),
etc.

I never endorsed Romney. My original comment was intended to address the fervor with which the author endorsed Obama. As far as Romney goes, I just think with his inconsistencies, his political and personal past, the disconnection he has demonstrated with Americans and with reality in general, he can't possibly be a real candidate. From where I stand, he is just a puppet put there to make you think you have 2 choices, when there really is only one logical choice.

I think you are too focused on the theoretical hell we will almost certainly be in if Romney is elected, that you refuse to address the very real hell we are currently on the brink of. If your gov can steal from you to give to the wealthy, surveil you, detain you, imprison and torture you, and even kill you, and not be answerable to its citizens for it crimes, does any of it's citizens truly have rights?

Yeah, the issue with us is the "first past the post" system though. Hopefully that will change in the future, which will change how our multi-party system operates. At least we do have the option of a vote of no confidence (which, given, would be hard to get with the Tories in control of over half of the seats) - does the US have any kind of equivalent to that?

It's amazing to me that after ten years of the Republicans doing everything they possibly can to destroy this country, its values, and centuries of social and economic progress and not missing a chance to lie, cheat, or defraud along the way, people can still claim with a straight face to perceive no meaningful difference between the two parties. I don't claim either party is what America really needs - as far as I'm concerned, it's mostly a choice between ineffectual center-right and uncompromising hard-right - but there are clear, vast differences.

Yes yes and yes.