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Why Women Are Bound to Religion: An Evolutionary Perspective

As we celebrate the 200th birthday of the godfather of evolution, Charles Darwin, mankind still looks to religion for answers that his theories have tangibly brought fourth. Statistically speaking however, womankind is even more likely to believe and pass on religious dogma, which presents a logical dichotomy given that they're the gender most oppressed by their faith.

Following on from her previous article on The Evolution of Religion, R. Elisabeth Cornwell explores the evolutionary reasons why women endure and pass on the bondage of belief.



Why Women Are Bound to Religion: An Evolutionary Perspective

R. Elisabeth Cornwell, PhD


Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Tim. 2:11-14



Religion has both revered and reviled women, exalting their fertility and fearing their sexuality. While religions throughout history have mutated, gone extinct, and propagated -- the position of women within their ever expanding reach has usually fared poorly. Yet, women are far more likely to be religious, attend religious services, and inculcate their children with their beliefs*. Why are women so willing to give in to religious dogma and subject themselves to the degradations often inflicted upon them? This is a fascinating question, and is especially perplexing when you consider the great strides toward equality women have gained in the West. Yet, without women passing on faith, belief, and dogma, religion could not survive through the generations.

The answers we seek shall neither come easily nor be all-encompassing. As with all things psychological, we must account for individual differences, culture, family, friends, media and politics. However, we can begin to unravel the mystery of why women willingly submit to male domination through religious hierarchies by examining our most evolved psychological adaptations. While it is not possible to cover all the details necessary to treat such a vast and complicated subject, I hope to tease you into considering ideas that challenge long-held assumptions.

Sexual Selection: Why Men and Women Differ

In case it has escaped your notice (or fallen foul of your political sensibilities), men and women differ. In terms of our physical differences, women on average are smaller, weaker, more gracile, and distribute fat differently. There are a number of physical secondary sexual characteristics, that is, characteristics that are not necessary for reproduction but differ between the sexes, some of which are obvious such as more muscular development in men and exaggerated breast development in women**. Other characteristics are more subtle; For example, women have fuller lips, larger eyes, and smaller chins on average than men. These characteristics are mediated by hormones, largely testosterone, estrogen, and progesterone.

But the physical characteristics we can see are not the only differences that come about because of hormones. Our brains are awash in hormones throughout our fetal development, during our childhood, and then the familiar (some might say ominous) surge during adolescence. As adults, our hormones still continue to affect us and as we age, the waning of hormones affects us as well.

It is because of hormones that male and female brains differ. While there is no evidence for differences in intelligence (as was believed in the nineteenth century and on into the twentieth - women were not even allowed to vote until 1920!), to deny that differences exist is simply wishful thinking. Evolution cares nothing for either misogyny or feminism; it cares not for what is moral or immoral, just or unjust: without caring at all, it builds survival machines to carry genes into the next generation.

But what has this to do with religious beliefs among women? Quite a bit actually. When we look at some of the behavioral and psychological differences between women and men, we can glimpse some of the adaptations necessary for our ancestors' survival. What makes humans human is our large brains, and in order for our brains to develop, evolution had to 'intervene'; Ancestral women had to develop a wider pelvis to allow the large head of a newborn through the birth canal. Another way to facilitate and accommodate big brains was to give birth to premature infants. This is why human neonates are so helpless compared to all other primates.

As hominid brains grew in size and complexity, so too did the need for extended childhood, late-onset reproduction, and extended life-span. The vulnerability of infants and children would have led our ancestral females to select mates who were more likely to stay around, as well as to rely heavily on support from the group. Women would have relied on close female relatives to provide both emotional and practical support. Males within the group would have provided protein and defense against invading males. It was not only a woman's individual survival that was dependent on the group, but more importantly it was essential to the survival of her offspring. In other words, the future of her genes.

With this in mind, we can begin to understand why it is so essential for women to fit into their social group. Exclusion would have meant extinction since those women who could not live in accord with the other members of their group would have had fewer or no descendants. Thus, the evolutionary pressures that shaped the need to live in harmony with the group pressed more strongly on women than on men. This is not to suggest that there were not strong evolutionary pressure for males, too, to conform, indeed there were. However, males who risked upsetting the status quo and did so successfully would have gained an advantage in their own reproductive success. Females who tried the same would not.

Before going on, I need to go touch on a rather obvious but extremely important element of male/female differences: unequal reproductive success. This simply means that men are capable of producing a far greater range of offspring than women. Reproductive success of the average male equals that of the average female. But the most successful male is far more successful than the least successful male, and than any female. Males can hold harems (which means that some males never reproduce at all). Females cannot hold harems - or at least there would be no point in their doing so. Sperm is cheap, wombs are costly and gestation time consuming. Women are limited in the number of offspring they can produce, while men, feasibly, could sire thousands of infants if only they could find willing partners. Thus, where women tend to range between 0 and 5 offspring, men can range from 0 to double digits (and beyond!). This very simple fact makes it far more advantageous for men to risk everything, including social exclusion and death, if there is a chance they can gain sexual access to a substantial number of women. However, women gain very little by risking it all, since they cannot increase their ability to have more offspring by increasing their number of sexual partners. Women therefore would have been under much stronger evolutionary pressures to 'play it safe' and remain with the status quo. Let the man take the risks, and if he succeeds choose him as a sexual partner.

Religion and Cultural Norms

It is not my purpose here to discuss the relationship between religion and culture, but I will suggest that, for as long as written history has existed, cities, states, and empires have enlisted the help of religious leaders, and religious leaders have relied on the protection of the state. This is true of all the major religions of today, with no exception.

Religion is a human invention, the gods and goddesses that have come and gone during our short history have all displayed the best and (more often) worst human traits. They fell in love, jealousy was common, revenge, anger and trickery prevailed, the struggle for power was universal, and all could be brought to folly and woe due to excessive hubris, greed, and lust. Soap operas pale in comparison! What concerns me, though, is that religion reflected the culture of the times - and, for better or worse, the religions most prominent today are all rather ancient beasts that grew out of a time when women were subservient to men, and often considered as property to be bartered, battered, and controlled.

So we are back to our original question: Why do women today continue to fall victim to an archaic system of beliefs that foster misogynistic behavior? Why are women even more likely to be religious than men? The simple answer is that it is safe. Please don't take this as a slight against women -- it isn't. Male/female differences exist, but I'm certainly not suggesting that risk taking is a better option than playing it safe. After all, women are less likely than men to die doing incredibly stupid things (check out the Darwin Awards it is nearly exclusively male 'winners'). But the fact that women are less likely to push the status quo for fear of social exclusion and even retribution makes a lot of evolutionary sense.

I acknowledge that some women have in fact taken extraordinary risks and have paid the ultimate price. And I am not saying that the majority of men will risk everything in order to achieve a particular goal. But we are looking at general trends, and men overall take more risks.

Religion and Kinship

Religion creates the illusion of kinship, and kinship is crucial to a woman's reproductive success. Even today, single mothers (and fathers) who receive support from family often avoid many of the pitfalls that single parents without support endure. Family support reduces stress through emotional support as well as practical support, and throughout the last 100,000 years would have been a critical factor in raising an infant to reach reproductive age.

The instant support group that religious institutions offer remains today. Churches, synagogues, temples, mosques offer immediate female fictive kin (assumed family). Raising a child, with or without a partner, is a difficult and daunting task. Women, especially new mothers, seek out other women for advice, encouragement, and support. Certainly, women who were raised with a religious upbringing would be more likely to become dependent on these intimate social relationships with other women. This inter-dependency taps into deep psychological needs, and being excluded from it would trigger a very primal fear response.

In order for women to abandon religion and its securities, there needs to be something tangible to replace the support that it offers. This is especially true in small and/or insular communities where one could face being shunned by family and friends. And in some parts of the world, abandonment of belief would bring a death sentence to be carried out by family members. Women traditionally have had the strongest ties to family compared to men: thus breaking those ties will be more difficult and more psychologically painful. While nobody has done a specific study of atheism and women, it is easy to guess that those women who have been raised in more traditional religious homes, with family and religion closely tied together, are most likely to fear of rejection and isolation if they announce their lack of faith. Some manage to break through, but not without significant loss. Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book, Infidel, shows the strength and courage it takes to leave one's faith and family. The psychologist Jill Myton also reveals not only her own struggles against religious indoctrination, but also documents the struggles of others who left one of the most secretive and exclusive religious cults in the West (see interview).

Humans have the capacity to show great strength, courage and integrity. Sometimes we need just a little push, to encourage us to question those ideas and long-held beliefs we hold most dearly. It is threatening to question not only our own beliefs, but those of our family and friends. We feel safe, even in falsehoods, as long as others believe the same. In order for women to move on from the archaic falsehoods of religion, dialogs need to be opened and our most intimate fears revealed. Women can abandon the tyranny of religion, but it will take courage - the same sort of courage that won women the right to vote, the right to work, and the right to steer their own destiny.


*Sources:



**Other mammals do not display exaggerated breast development, and it is not necessary for lactation.


Special thanks to Andy Thomson for sharing ideas about this topic.

R. Elisabeth Cornwell is an Assistant Professor of Research at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs. Her research includes work in the area of hormones, pheromones, and sexual selection in humans. Her most recent paper can be found in Animal Behavior, regarding evidence in support of various theories of mate selection in humans. Most recently her work has involved differences between theist and atheists on a variety of psychological profiles.

 

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JuliusChurch

JuliusChurch

Ashland, PA
November 2005

FEB 17, 2009 11:35 PM

I for one will continue to appreciate exaggerated mammary glands no matter what any of you have to say about it. I will not waiver my conviction! mad

reindeerblood

reindeerblood

I'm lost
August 2005

FEB 18, 2009 02:10 PM

Weapon0 said:

TheFuckOffKid said:
Historically, the choice wasn't even between "religion" or "non-religion" -- it was between pagan spirituality which tended to glorify female fertility, and monotheistic religions which suppressed it. An underlying question which arises from the opening post is to think about why women have been complicit in the latter set of religious systems.



Actually, don't believe Monotheistic Religions have tried to suppress female fertility. Control, yes but not suppress. They wanted females to have many children because that means more converts. They did suppress female sexuality and actually all sexuality that wasn't used for Procreation though.


TheFuckOffKid said:
Well, OK.

How about -- they "separated" fertility and sexuality, such that having children (in appropriate contexts) was deemed OK (in fact, worthy of approval), but having sex was not so OK.

I take your point.



From the chart I posted earlier, less than 1/10th of the World's population is non believing. Over 50% of the world's population is Monotheistic, therefore I feel that examining the different "choices," so to speak, is relevant.

Lets examine one of the more prevelant motheisitic beliefs, shall we, as it appears there are many assumptions and misunderstandings.

Islamic sexual jurisprudence demonstrates that sexuality is encouraged between partners, to cultivate tenderness and passion, as both a means to procreate and to strengthen bonds between a couple. Yes, copulation is seen as increasing the community, but in terms of control, they view sex without foreplay as the Man's weakness, and the shaving of the pubic region is even encouraged. More importantly, Islamic law explicitly states that both men and women are entitled to sexual gratification in marriage; the failure or inability to provide this may be cited as grounds for divorce initiated by either the wife or husband.

Interestingly,

Islam does not teach the Catholic doctrine sometimes caricatured as "every sperm is sacred", Sunni Islam does consider that the consumption of sperm to be haram. As such many Sunni scholars consider orally stimulating the male sexual organ to be Haram or unlawful, whereas most see doing so to the female organ as acceptable.

Other examples from the above link are less liberated; for instance Islamic attitudes regarding homosexuality, pre-marital sex and masturbation are far from accepting.

Islam and Sexual Techniques is another link worth checking out.

Women in Islam illustrates Womens role in Islamic society more clearly, and is worth investigating.

The main question of the Article seems to address several points: why more Women choose Religion than Men, ones that suppress and opress. In fact, many people are not in a position to choose Religion at all. Many people are born into society and Religious belief is included, however in some instances, one may rebel, if one has such desire or opportunity, or pick and choose if one is born into an atheist or non-practicing family. She seems to infer that these choices are difficult, and at times dangerous. This is obviously true. However, in my research, Religion is not as degrading to Women as she suggests.

As far as Women being complicit in these belief systems, have you noticed the prevelance of divorce in the modern world?

Examples supporting your opinion that in history there was a choice between pagan spirituality, which celebrated sexuality, and monotheistic religion that supresses it, would be appreciated, Kid.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

FEB 18, 2009 03:20 PM

Katieesq:

I could (and maybe later I will) respond point by point. But what I'm more interested to know first-off is whether you have much sympathy for the basic line of argument, being that:

- humens have evolved to be social creatures
- women have evolved differently to men, particularly when it comes to the "payoff" to being socially interactive and to be able to cultivate a support network
- religion is a social/group bonding institution (as much as it is anything else), and hence women get a high payoff to being bonded with other humans through such a system
- there is in fact reasonable (at least anecdotal) evidence that women "sign up to" religious belief systems and institutions that, on the face of it, impose limits and restrictions on their capacity for self-determination.

Rather than quibble about whether it's an "academic" piece or a "polemic", let's agree that it is what all Newswire pieces are, an opinion piece, albeit one bolstered by the academic credentials of its author.

What I'm curious to know is, are you nitpicking some of the underlying methodology, or are you in fact sceptical of the whole line of argument?

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

FEB 18, 2009 03:22 PM

reindeerblood said:
Examples supporting your opinion that in history there was a choice between pagan spirituality, which celebrated sexuality, and monotheistic religion that supresses it, would be appreciated, Kid.



There was a transition from one to the other. Read any decent history book on the spread of Christianity and its adoption in the Roman Empire.

realistic67

realistic67

Vancouver, BC
August 2005

FEB 19, 2009 11:50 AM

I think it's also a safety/ power issue. Women in developing countries ( where religion has the most dogmatic hold ) have very little individual safety or power.

Involving ones self heavily in the local practiced religion. Especially one where there's separation between men and women at prayer or during events, gives women a subset power structure to survive in. Plus, general safety of a peaceful group. Especially if that society is taken over and run by an outside force ( see America in Iraq - Women get harassed less by the U.S. forces as they are seen as less of a threat. )

It's like the way gangs foster inside prison.

CrazyBen

CrazyBen

Salt Lake City, UT
September 2007

FEB 19, 2009 01:19 PM

Azadeth said:
I always figured women clung to religion for the same reason they dated men who beat them. I have no idea what that reason is, but it makes the same amount of sense.



At least in certain countries, abused women have more male offspring. Some see it as an extension of the Trivers-Willard Effect, others as confirmation of Grant's Maternal Dominance Theory. I'm supposed to be including a chapter on just such types of questions as this in my thesis, but we'll see if I ever have time to get to writing on sex-differences and sex-linked genetic effects!

CrazyBen

CrazyBen

Salt Lake City, UT
September 2007

FEB 19, 2009 01:22 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:

reindeerblood said:

TheFuckOffKid said:


The question is why women choose to align themselves with religions which act to inhibit their capacity for free choice and self-determination.

I have no idea what question you think you're addressing/refuting. I really can't follow whatever it is you think you're saying.

But the first two religions on your linked page (out of 22) cover over half the world's population. I'd say they're prominent.



Actually the questions posed in the article are these:

-Why are women so willing to give in to religious dogma and subject themselves to the degradations often inflicted upon them?

-Why do women today continue to fall victim to an archaic system of beliefs that foster misogynistic behavior?

-Why are women even more likely to be religious than men?

The first two I began to address, the last of which I havent, because it is a false assumption.


Well, you're overstating the claims/questions, and the third one may or may not be a "false assumption" -- references are supplied, and I haven't looked at them to check. (Have you?)

Mostly, you seem to want to defend religion in general, and you haven't been able to clearly separate a defence of religion and a response being made to the original arguments.

Historically, the choice wasn't even between "religion" or "non-religion" -- it was between pagan spirituality which tended to glorify female fertility, and monotheistic religions which suppressed it. An underlying question which arises from the opening post is to think about why women have been complicit in the latter set of religious systems.

You haven't even understood the question.



I think that women are more likely to be members of ANY sort of social group than men, like 7-8 times on average, no matter in what culture. I agree with you though that it often is a false assumption. However, one might say that women and men simply belong to different types of social groups. The question of what types of social groups men and women tend to value may be a more revealing one to answer. Hard to say.

milan_ghost

milan_ghost

I'm lost
April 2007

FEB 19, 2009 01:26 PM

It's slightly troubling that the comments here are sometimes more eloquent and coherent than the original article, much of which was inelegant, unconvincing and at times clumsy and inaccurate. It really wanted more rigorous editing but you'd still hope for more from a Ph.D, even if she is writing for a soft-porn website. And beginning so many sentences with "And" and "But", that ain't right either.

Since the entire article is supposedly written to give an answer to the question of why women are "more religious" than men, and that there is apparently almost no data to support this idea in the first place (anecdotal evidence is just not evidence at all, plain and simple) then the rest of the debate is rather pointless, isn't it?

If you want to make the question, why are women religious at all, given that so many religions subjugate women, then you might just as well ask why anyone at all is religious at all, since so many religions subjugate everybody. The answer is of course dense, complex and perhaps still not fully understood.



Katieesq

Katieesq

USA
June 2008

FEB 19, 2009 02:32 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:
Katieesq:

I could (and maybe later I will) respond point by point. But what I'm more interested to know first-off is whether you have much sympathy for the basic line of argument, being that:

- humens have evolved to be social creatures
- women have evolved differently to men, particularly when it comes to the "payoff" to being socially interactive and to be able to cultivate a support network
- religion is a social/group bonding institution (as much as it is anything else), and hence women get a high payoff to being bonded with other humans through such a system
- there is in fact reasonable (at least anecdotal) evidence that women "sign up to" religious belief systems and institutions that, on the face of it, impose limits and restrictions on their capacity for self-determination.

Rather than quibble about whether it's an "academic" piece or a "polemic", let's agree that it is what all Newswire pieces are, an opinion piece, albeit one bolstered by the academic credentials of its author.

What I'm curious to know is, are you nitpicking some of the underlying methodology, or are you in fact sceptical of the whole line of argument?



I've given this a little thought, and I would say that I'm skeptical of the overall argument, but much more skeptical because the argument was poorly supported. Differently worded, I don't completely reject this argument, but I find it suspect because of lack of evidence.

I can go as far to agree that humans have evolved into social creatures without needing a laundry list of citations. That's a fair, broad, assumption. But when the discussion moves to women evolving differently from men, the argument needs qualification (How did they evolve differently? What kinds of women evolved differently? etc.). Therefore, the argument that women get a payoff from religion as a social institution needs qualification as well.

Furthermore, I think Cornwell's arguments on women and religion aren't well framed with respect to time. She addresses that women are drawn to religions that "are all rather ancient beasts that grew out of a time when women were subservient to men, and often considered as property to be bartered, battered, and controlled." It would behoove her to move this concept into the present, considering her studies are all taken from present day women.

I think Cornwell did briefly address the problems this article would have during her introduction, reproduced below:

While it is not possible to cover all the details necessary to treat such a vast and complicated subject, I hope to tease you into considering ideas that challenge long-held assumptions.



What is this long-held assumption? That there is a god? That women *need* religion? Either way, she "challenged" assumptions with more assumptions, which leaves me unconvinced either way.

Maybe this is all coming from my personal desire to have a more specific and well researched article on the topic.

Finally, it may be a CE column (side note: why was this published in the CE? There's nothing really current about it, and the last one was published in Lifestyle), which makes it opinion, but she certainly didn't frame it like an opinion article. She wrote it like a dumbed down version of her "expert" opinion. Do you disagree?

Fabrizia

Fabrizia

SUICIDEGIRL

New York, USA

FEB 19, 2009 04:58 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:

reindeerblood said:

TheFuckOffKid said:


The question is why women choose to align themselves with religions which act to inhibit their capacity for free choice and self-determination.

I have no idea what question you think you're addressing/refuting. I really can't follow whatever it is you think you're saying.

But the first two religions on your linked page (out of 22) cover over half the world's population. I'd say they're prominent.



Actually the questions posed in the article are these:

-Why are women so willing to give in to religious dogma and subject themselves to the degradations often inflicted upon them?

-Why do women today continue to fall victim to an archaic system of beliefs that foster misogynistic behavior?

-Why are women even more likely to be religious than men?

The first two I began to address, the last of which I havent, because it is a false assumption.


Well, you're overstating the claims/questions, and the third one may or may not be a "false assumption" -- references are supplied, and I haven't looked at them to check. (Have you?)

Mostly, you seem to want to defend religion in general, and you haven't been able to clearly separate a defence of religion and a response being made to the original arguments.

Historically, the choice wasn't even between "religion" or "non-religion" -- it was between pagan spirituality which tended to glorify female fertility, and monotheistic religions which suppressed it. An underlying question which arises from the opening post is to think about why women have been complicit in the latter set of religious systems.

You haven't even understood the question.




THANK YOU FOR STATING THE FOLLOWING:

"Historically, the choice wasn't even between "religion" or "non-religion" -- it was between pagan spirituality which tended to glorify female fertility, and monotheistic religions which suppressed it. An underlying question which arises from the opening post is to think about why women have been complicit in the latter set of religious systems."

I am a witch and there is no sexual dominant in my belief system.

Fabrizia

Fabrizia

SUICIDEGIRL

New York, USA

FEB 19, 2009 05:14 PM

A religion that asks the people to follow blindly like sheep is going to attract just that.
It's pretty simple.
As far as answering the question of why women are more "religious" than men,( this also depends on how you define the term "religious"), women, in many cultures, have been taught to be subserviant, submissive and obedient--all of the qualities "some" religious systems require.
Does the religious command of female subservience lead to the cultural perception of us as the lesser species? Perhaps, after many generations of brainwash, some women have actually turned into the very thing that these religions have labeled them as.

Waldo_Jeffers

Waldo_Jeffers

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

FEB 24, 2009 01:35 PM

Weapon0 said:

TheFuckOffKid said:
Historically, the choice wasn't even between "religion" or "non-religion" -- it was between pagan spirituality which tended to glorify female fertility, and monotheistic religions which suppressed it. An underlying question which arises from the opening post is to think about why women have been complicit in the latter set of religious systems.



Actually, don't believe Monotheistic Religions have tried to suppress female fertility. Control, yes but not suppress. They wanted females to have many children because that means more converts. They did suppress female sexuality and actually all sexuality that wasn't used for Procreation though.




TheFuckOffKid said:
Well, OK.

How about -- they "separated" fertility and sexuality, such that having children (in appropriate contexts) was deemed OK (in fact, worthy of approval), but having sex was not so OK.

I take your point.



I tend the view that this occurs because, although these religions have both male and female adherents, the power structure within them is male dominated.

In evolutionary terms, it is a prime concern for men to try to minimise the risk that their partner get pregnant by someone else. A woman can be certain that her child is her biological offspring having spent 9 months with that child growing in her womb. A man can never be sure that the child that is growing in his partner's womb came from his sperm or some other man's sperm.

The religious prohibition against adultery is, in my view, intended to act as a psychological chastity belt.

In some cultures, it is common for woman to be subjected to some form of female 'circumcision' in the name of religion. In such cultures a woman who has not been circumcised may be considered unsuitable as a potential marriage partner. Hence in order for a woman to achieve reproductive success she must first be circumcised.

Given that female circumcision can reduce a woman's ability to experience pleasure from genital stimulation, it seems odd that any culture should mandate it as a prerequisite for marriage unless one accepts that its function is to act as a method of social control. Its purpose is to assuage male fear of infidelity because a woman who has a reduced ability to experience genital pleasure may be less likely to be sexually promiscuous.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

FEB 24, 2009 03:53 PM

Mr_Mocata said:

Weapon0 said:

TheFuckOffKid said:
Historically, the choice wasn't even between "religion" or "non-religion" -- it was between pagan spirituality which tended to glorify female fertility, and monotheistic religions which suppressed it. An underlying question which arises from the opening post is to think about why women have been complicit in the latter set of religious systems.



Actually, don't believe Monotheistic Religions have tried to suppress female fertility. Control, yes but not suppress. They wanted females to have many children because that means more converts. They did suppress female sexuality and actually all sexuality that wasn't used for Procreation though.




TheFuckOffKid said:
Well, OK.

How about -- they "separated" fertility and sexuality, such that having children (in appropriate contexts) was deemed OK (in fact, worthy of approval), but having sex was not so OK.

I take your point.



I tend the view that this occurs because, although these religions have both male and female adherents, the power structure within them is male dominated.

In evolutionary terms, it is a prime concern for men to try to minimise the risk that their partner get pregnant by someone else. A woman can be certain that her child is her biological offspring having spent 9 months with that child growing in her womb. A man can never be sure that the child that is growing in his partner's womb came from his sperm or some other man's sperm.

The religious prohibition against adultery is, in my view, intended to act as a psychological chastity belt.

In some cultures, it is common for woman to be subjected to some form of female 'circumcision' in the name of religion. In such cultures a woman who has not been circumcised may be considered unsuitable as a potential marriage partner. Hence in order for a woman to achieve reproductive success she must first be circumcised.

Given that female circumcision can reduce a woman's ability to experience pleasure from genital stimulation, it seems odd that any culture should mandate it as a prerequisite for marriage unless one accepts that its function is to act as a method of social control. Its purpose is to assuage male fear of infidelity because a woman who has a reduced ability to experience genital pleasure may be less likely to be sexually promiscuous.



That seems well-reasoned. I applaud it.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

FEB 24, 2009 04:22 PM

MissySue said:
A religion that asks the people to follow blindly like sheep is going to attract just that.


It doesn't explain why any such religions attract so many individuals.

It's pretty simple.


Simplisitc? Yes. Insightful? Not really.

women, in many cultures, have been taught to be subserviant, submissive and obedient--all of the qualities "some" religious systems require.


God, I hate lazy all-encompassing "XYZs have been taught" explanations for complex human behaviour.

I'm not saying there's no validity to that point at all. But it's bland and uninsightful and begs the really important questions.

I need to make the time to get back to this thread properly. Later today, if I can swing it.

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