Defending the right to bear arms, and talking about the issue at hand is one thing; what you brought to the table was a linked page full of anti-government conspiracy bullshit, directly contrary to eye-witness and video accounts.
Arguments like that only hurt the situation more; taking the blame away from two emotionally disturbed kids who had firearms they had no business getting their hands on. I have enough real world experience to know that two teenagers are more than capable of this atrocity, you can keep your "OMG the ATF operatives are killing the children!!!" links to yourself.

If you want to talk about the issue, or defend the right to bear arms, don't cite sources that take credibility away from whatever you intend to say.

Hey America, here's an idea, don't give anyone a fucking gun. Makes a lot of sense when you think about it.

The argument might be that if someone wants to kill people, they'll find a gun either way. Thats true in any country, but with every other idiot buying a gun to defend themselves, they are gonna find it pretty fucking easy to get their hands on one.

Its better to prevent violence than react to it.

unfortunatly, that simply isn't a practical idea. There are too many millions of guns in America, and too many people who would be unwilling to turn theirs in to get rid of them all. If we tried, the two groups who really shouldn't have guns (criminals and gun "nuts") would still have them.

Hey Australian Guy. You do realize qualified individuals in Australia still have guns, right?

Here's an idea. Don't make rash generalizations about every person, specifically gun owners in the United States. and last time i fucking checked, the United States government has yet to "give me a gun". Did i miss free gun day at the local DMV? So since you believe that "the government gives us a gun" your statement actually makes no sense at fucking all.

since we're all about rash generalizations, shouldn't you be out chasing Kangaroos?

Awesome source. From the same people that brought you "9/11 was an inside job"

If you scroll all the way down, there is a really good article on how to make a well-fitting tinfoil hat.

It's the national sport, FYI.

Whatever, and then the "Knife Culture" like in London may well take hold. Banning guns solves nothing, especially when there already is a huge amount just floating around out there.

Sorry.. i missed the part where I said that the government gives out guns. Could you find it for me? I only implied the law will let almost any idiot buy one.

I do realise that qualified individuals in Australia are allowed to possess guns, however you actually need a reason to own a firearm. Self defence doesn't cut it. There are very few people in Australia who actually own guns. Not saying they aren't out there. And i didn't say that before either.

Jumping to conclusions and not reading posts properly only makes you look like an idiot.

Your average college student can't handle alcohol...and they want us to let them carry fucking GUNS?! Sorry, skippy....duck & cover next time a shooting breaks out. It doesn't make you less of a man.

If your attitude is 'take my gun away and i better find a knife' then i think the guns are really the least of your problems.

Here i pointed it out for you. Does that help?

No. Assuming what works in your country, will work in every fucking country makes you look like an idiot. I am not naive enough to believe that just because it works in the United States that it will work Australia, and i am damn sure what works in Australia won't necessarily work in the United States. Mostly because our national population, is what, almost 15 times greater than yours? Or maybe it's because our country is based on a different constitution?

What works for you doesn't work for everyone.

How's that national porn filter working out for you guys? Seems like you're dumping an awful lot of money into something to please a few people.

Just can't help myself . . .

HEY HEY HEY! He's catching on!. Everyone slow down the conversation so he can catch up!

I think we discussed that like three pages ago. Where ya know, we said "Let's fix the problem of people wanting to shoot other people, rather than strip everyone of a right"

But ya know, go ahead, read only what you want and ignore the rest of the conversation.

Again, doesn't say that the government is giving out free guns, it only states America as a country encourages gun ownership by making it so easy to posess a gun. If you chose to interpret it differently, so be it.

I don't see what other Australian legislation has to do with this, its an unrelated policy, and I don't agree with that policy either.

Your population might be alot bigger than ours, but our laws and political system aren't so different. I still believe that making guns available doesn't help anybody, no matter which country you live in or what its population is.

I'm not gonna argue with you, i've stated my opinion and im gonna leave it at that.

"Hey America, don't give anyone a gun" is not to be construed as the America just handing out guns? "America" "give" "gun" ?????

Do you even know any of our policies? Do you know what it takes to get a gun in the United States?

The idea that that policy even got instated leads me to believe that your government and policies are much, much different than ours. Do you realize how ballistic our population would go if something like that were even talked about being instated?

You make it sound like we get guns with every third fill-up at the gas station. And that everyone in the United States has a gun. Just because as a nation we can purchase a firearm, doesn't mean everybody does. I firmly believe as a gun-owner, the process to purchase a gun is very weak. I thoroughly believe that more stringent and effective processes need put in place. I don't however believe that the rights of everyone should be stripped due to the actions of a few.

You also make it sound as if everyone that buys a gun has nothing but bad intentions with the gun. Most of my collection are relics, from wars, that i would be entirely scared to fire. The guns i do fire, i fire well within the legal responsibilities that i am acquired to. My guns never get fired outside of a range.

Just because people choose to do bad things with guns, don't assume that everyone is going to do bad things with guns, i have no intentions of going out and hurting anyone for no apparent reason, or because they called me a name. The problem isn't the gun, it's the person. The gun in itself would hurt no one, it needs a user. fix the problem of guns falling into the hands of the wrong users.

The problem is, we have two polar opposite sides that can never meet in the middle. One side wants to ban everything, and the other side wants every baby in America armed. We get idiotic weapons bans, that aren't really banning anything, we waste time and money putting them into place, and they aren't effective.

So we run into a Australian porn filter type policy. The Christians want porn banned on the internet, the government bans porn, now they have another part of the population unhappy. There was no compromise, outright bans do not fix anything, you're going to end up with a part of the population that is greatly displeased. (and i am pretty sure they don't work, since you're posting on an alt-porn site) I am sure there are people in your Country that are extremely upset that guns were banned and i am sure that there are presumably innocent people that do still have guns.

Our laws and political system by nature are the same. It about stops there. With our population being so large, we deal with more poverty, more crime and more of the bad crap you don't want to hear about. We deal with it at such a higher capacity, and a higher rate, that it's impossible to compare our countries, simply because the numbers are so vastly different.

We have cities in the United States with a population that is half the population of your entire country. When you group large amounts of people into small areas, everything changes.