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  • FRIDAY NOVEMBER 9 2007 12:00 PM

Man up! You Don't Need Wing Tips!



So, let's say you're a passenger on British Airways. You've just buckled your seatbelt and turned off your electronic devices as the B747 patiently waits to taxi. Crash! What the? We're not even moving. You look out the window. "Whoopsie-daisy! My bad. Sorry guys." The Sri Lanken Airlines pilot backs up his A340 jet that has just crashed into the wing of the plane you're sitting on. Shit. No one is injured but now the 747 that you're buckled into has no wing-tip. This plane is not going anywhere anymore.

You are now delayed in London for another 24 hours. As you drift off to sleep in the complimentary hotel provided by the airline you count your blessings, "Dear Powers That Be, thank you for not killing me today in a fiery plane crash. Although I'm inconvenienced, I'm grateful that it was only a fender-bender. I'm confident that tomorrow will be better. The airline promised us a new plane in the morning. Amen."

Good morning! You're on your way back to Heathrow airport. You've slept off the frustration of the crashing and delay of the day before. You board the little segway onto the plane. You're a Club Class member (equivalent to business class in America.) You order a sparkling water from the waitress and look out the window.



What the fuck? Is this a joke? You lean in for a closer look.



Nope. It's not a joke! You're sitting on the very same jet that you de-planed 24 hours ago. You remember that plane! It's the one that the Sri Lanken Airlines jet crashed into. Don't mind that missing wing tip! Just enjoy your 10-hour flight to Columbo.

This actually happened.



According to the Daily News:

"When cabin crew then admitted there was still a 5ft wing tip missing, there was "a minor revolt" as seven passengers demanded to be let off the aircraft.



Minor revolt? Wow. What did these passengers do?

[Club-class passenger Ian McKie said] "On board, the cabin crew admitted that it was the same one as last time and that the tip had been ripped off."They assured us it didn't matter but a number of the passengers insisted that they would rather get on the next flight."



Wow! Asking to be let off a plane, that's quite a revolt. I'm riveted.

Wouldn’t you get off the plane? I would. Even though Sri Lankan Airlines insisted there was no danger in flying without a wing tip.

"They are purely for aerodynamics and to keep fuel costs to a minimum. There is no impact on safety at all. Safety is our absolute priority."



That's great. I'm sure that's true. Again, I'm rational. I understand that I don’t know shit about how planes work. But I'm used to not seeing planes with hunks ripped off of them. Couldn’t they at least have filed the wing-tip down so it didn’t have to look so damaged? I wouldn’t mind a short wing-tip, just even it out a little bit. There is something to be said for feeling psychologically sound on a flight. I can't imagine looking out the window at the majesty of Earth and oh, damn it, there's that ripped off wing staring me in the face again. Breathe. Breathe.

In the comments section of this Daily Mail article one pilot voiced his opinion:

I'm an airline pilot. The crew is absolutely correct. The missing chunk is a winglet, which is entirely different than the wing. It's just a hunk of material curved upward at the end of the wing to minimize induced drag and save fuel. Airplanes flew without them for decades.

I'd have flown this jet.

- Ivan, Richmond, VA



And Ivan and the passengers who didn’t de-plane are of course, right. The plane landed safely and that wing-tip was as useful as an appendix. But I think I'm going to continue to be a wimp who exercises her option to "revolt."

SleepyLady is a reformed fearful flyer but she does have her limitations.

 

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Sid

Sid

SUICIDEGIRL

Colorado, USA

NOV 09, 2007 12:14 PM

actually, scientists are just now discovering that the appendix is useful. they believe it keeps the levels of bacteria needed for digestion corrected so you're not getting bacterial infections all the time.

article here

erin_broadley

erin_broadley

Los Angeles, CA
October 2006

NOV 09, 2007 12:31 PM

i don't care what the pilot says...i would get off that plane so quick. holy shit. come on now. i prefer to fly with wing tips intact thankyouverymuch.

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

NOV 09, 2007 12:36 PM

For some reason, I'm reminded of the "harmless foam incident" from a shuttle mission a few years ago.

Heigai

Heigai

Columbus, OH
May 2004

NOV 09, 2007 12:39 PM

Sid said:
actually, scientists are just now discovering that the appendix is useful. they believe it keeps the levels of bacteria needed for digestion corrected so you're not getting bacterial infections all the time.

article here



Many scientists never thought the appendix was useless in the first place, and most have more or less always known that it serves a function at least until puberty. This seems to be one of those goofy canards about human development and evolution, alongside "the coccyx used to be a tail LOL."

MrStitches

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY
November 2003

NOV 09, 2007 12:42 PM

Sid said:
actually, scientists are just now discovering that the appendix is useful. they believe it keeps the levels of bacteria needed for digestion corrected so you're not getting bacterial infections all the time.

article here



Damn you, I wanted to post that!

Heigai

Heigai

Columbus, OH
May 2004

NOV 09, 2007 12:44 PM

erin_broadley said:
i don't care what the pilot says...i would get off that plane so quick. holy shit. come on now. i prefer to fly with wing tips intact thankyouverymuch.



I have to make the same disclosure as SleepyLady does, namely that I have no special knowledge or training in physics, but at least so far as I understand it generally, it seems like:

1) The drag would be greatly imbalanced across the span of the plane, which would lead me to guess that flying it would be more difficult and require more attention, which is not really acceptable.

2) The drag could (my conjecture, again) continue to tear at the ragged wing-tip and cause further damage, possibly even to the actual wing itself. I assume that would be more disastrous than losing some fuel mileage.

wink84

wink84

Fulton, MO
October 2007

NOV 09, 2007 12:45 PM

I'm not traveling in a plane that's missing an anything. Enough said.

PlanNumberOne

PlanNumberOne

Norway
February 2005

NOV 09, 2007 12:51 PM

I´d fly that thing till the wings came off, baby...

Heigai

Heigai

Columbus, OH
May 2004

NOV 09, 2007 12:58 PM

Also I would like to add:

"Suit up!!"



"...and you do need wing-tips!"

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

NOV 09, 2007 01:14 PM

If it's good enough for the pilots and flight attendants and Boeing, it's good enough for me.

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

NOV 09, 2007 01:23 PM

Meh.

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

NOV 09, 2007 01:26 PM

Cigarette said:
If it's good enough for the pilots and flight attendants and Boeing, it's good enough for me.

Yeah, the story didn't explain that the tips were completely removed and the wings were inspected thoroughly.

Based on the pictures, I was under the impression that there was "hanging wreckage."

Oracle

Oracle

Winnipeg, MB
September 2003

NOV 09, 2007 01:48 PM

i fly for a living (not a pilot no) and I wouldn't have had a problem staying on that plane, I would have tried to get free tickets or something but I wouldn't have had even a little problem with it.

MeanMustang

MeanMustang

Huntington, WV
July 2004

NOV 09, 2007 01:51 PM

Toku666 said:
I have to make the same disclosure as SleepyLady does, namely that I have no special knowledge or training in physics, but at least so far as I understand it generally, it seems like:

1) The drag would be greatly imbalanced across the span of the plane, which would lead me to guess that flying it would be more difficult and require more attention, which is not really acceptable.

2) The drag could (my conjecture, again) continue to tear at the ragged wing-tip and cause further damage, possibly even to the actual wing itself. I assume that would be more disastrous than losing some fuel mileage.




I do not claim to be an expert, but I do know a little about airplanes (they made me study that sort of thing when I was getting my pilot's certificate).

1) The wing tips are used to reduce drag and wing tip vortexes. How much drag? I'm not sure, but it would not be anywhere near enough to make the plane hard to fly. Keep in mind these planes are designed to fly with single engine failures. I'm sure loosing over 60000 pounds of thrust on one side of the plane would cause more yaw than losing a wingtip. The plane has a rudder trim that allows for yaw correction with no extra workload on the pilots.

2) The wing tips are not a structural part of the wing. I believe that most planes are not even required to have the wingtips in place to be airworthy per the FAA. I am sure they would have removed the remains of the tip before takeoff or at least covered it with duct tape. Otherwise, worse case the tip could have been torn off inflight, but damage to the wing would not be an issue.

Now, as I said, I am no expert. It is easy for me to say I would have stayed on the plane because I wasn't there. I would like to think my common sense would have prevailed, but can't say for sure. Self preservation is a hard instinct to fight...

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

NOV 09, 2007 02:10 PM

SleepyLady said:
There is something to be said for feeling psychologically sound on a flight.


And therein lies the key factor that experts forget when they're dealing with lay-people. It doesn't matter how many times you tell someone they're safe and everything's fine, you have to go totally out of your way to make people feel safe.

Who cares if the plane was actually fit to fly? It had a fucking chunk missing from the wing. Don't fly the damn thing until it's fixed.

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