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The Cold, Hard Science of the Eloi and the Morlock



Is it science...or is it science fiction!? London-based evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry has declared that humanity is actually evolving into two sub-species, which will have fully emerged within 100,000 years. Half of the family will be an attractive, intelligent ruling elite, while the others will form an underclass of dim-witted, ugly goblin-like creatures, strikingly similar to the the Eloi and the Morlock in H.G. Wells' The Time Machine.

The human race would peak in the year 3000, he said - before a decline due to dependence on technology.

People would become choosier about their sexual partners, causing humanity to divide into sub-species, he added.

The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative and a far cry from the "underclass" humans who would have evolved into dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures.

According to Dr. Curry, the men of the ruling elite will have deeper voices and bigger penises, and the women will have smooth hairless skin, large eyes and pert breasts. Interbreeding will have produced a single coffee-coloured skin tone. That's great, but there's a downside, too:

However, Dr Curry warns, in 10,000 years time humans may have paid a genetic price for relying on technology.

Spoiled by gadgets designed to meet their every need, they could come to resemble domesticated animals.

Social skills, such as communicating and interacting with others, could be lost, along with emotions such as love, sympathy, trust and respect. People would become less able to care for others, or perform in teams.

Physically, they would start to appear more juvenile. Chins would recede, as a result of having to chew less on processed food.

There could also be health problems caused by reliance on medicine, resulting in weak immune systems. Preventing deaths would also help to preserve the genetic defects that cause cancer.

Okay, so--aside from which subspecies you think your descendants will fall into--the real question here is, why are Oliver Curry's claims being published? This story, which made headlines in the past week, seems to have originally appeared last year in the BBC, the Telegraph, the Sun, the Scotsman, and various other news outlets. Why again, now? First of all, he's a political theorist, not a scientist or geneticist. Second of all, the idea the humanity is still evolving seems legitimate, but everyone turning coffee-colored? Really? Human beings have been geographically and socially mobile for a long, long time now, and we don't show any overarching signs of blending, yet.

Last year when it appeared, Bad Science ripped it apart.

Oliver has perhaps not been to Brazil, where black African, white European, and Amerindian have lived side by side and bred together for many centuries. The Brazilians have not gone coffee coloured, they in fact still show a wide range of skin pigmentation, from black to tan. This is because skin pigmentation seems to be coded for by a fairly small number of genes and probably doesn’t blend and even out as Oliver - a political theorist, not a scientist - suggests.

What about his other ideas? Like the one that ultimately, through extreme socioeconomic divisions in society, humans will divide into two species: one tall, thin symmetrical, clean, healthy, intelligent and creative, the other short, stocky, asymmetrical, grubby, unhealthy and not as bright?

Dividing into species requires some fairly strong pressures, like geographical divisions: even then, the Tasmanian aboriginals, who were isolated for 10,000 years, can still have children perfectly easily with white Europeans. “Sympatric speciation”, a division into species where the two groups live in the same place, as Curry is proposing, is even tougher. For a while, many scientists didn’t think it happened at all. It would require that socioeconomic divides were absolute, although history shows that attractive impoverished females and wealthy ugly men can be remarkably resourceful in love.

Sounds like Curry would have been better off doing an MFA instead of a PhD, although then he would have wound up facing plagiarism charges. Are we still evolving? Yeah, I would guess so. Are we evolving in the direction of H.G. Wells' The Time Machine? Probably not so much. Soylent Green? Maybe. Bladerunner? Perhaps. But The Time Machine? Gimme a break.

 

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halfjack

halfjack

Allston, MA
June 2005

OCT 27, 2007 07:41 PM

didn't this news first come out like, a year ago?

Heathen_Dave

Heathen_Dave

Birmingham, AL
July 2005

OCT 27, 2007 09:45 PM

squee_ said:

PaulNikon said:
Unless a Vulcan starship shows up, we will destroy this planet in way less than 10,000 years.



This is perhaps man's biggest arrogance. We very well might destroy ourselves, but it is extremely unlikely we will destroy the planet. Reshape it. Sure. Destroy it. I don't think so.



I'll take that as a challenge.

scylis

scylis

USA
November 2004

OCT 28, 2007 12:14 AM

i, for one, would like to welcome our Eloi overlords.

strangebeastie

strangebeastie

Oceanside, CA
September 2004

OCT 28, 2007 01:15 AM

scylis said:
i, for one, would like to welcome our Eloi overlords.



Wasn't the big twist that the highly intelligent but ugly and amoral morlocks were breeding and pampering the eloi for later consumption?

Man, that's one of the best twists ever. Bitch, your ass is veal!

Evilgasm

Evilgasm

Netherlands
April 2007

OCT 28, 2007 06:52 AM

I think H.G. Wells did describe what may happen to humanity very well. Though he did not do it in "The Time Machine". He did it in "War of the Worlds" (and no... I am not talking about aliens coming to blow us all up with their heat rays).

In "The Time Machine" the different paths of evolution that led to the Eloi/Morlok species gap came about because of one devision of humanity being subjugated/pampered to* by another, and there fore physically and genetically isolated. After many thousands of years the two evolved into different species. What Wells described in "War of the Worlds" was much more interesting. He talked about a race of beings (the Martians in this case) having evolved into a form that was totally dependent on technology (Note: they look A LOT different in the book than in any of the movie adaptations).

This is what I think SockPuppet was trying to describe. As our technology develops and we become more and more dependent on it, we change our enviornment. Not just by pollution or global warming, but we change the factors that influence our evolution. Essentially living in an artificial enviornment and evolving to adapt to it.

For example: The appendix is now a virtually useless organ in the human body. I have heard that these days some people are even born without one. It's purpose was to store bacteria that aid our digestive system in breaking down vegetable matter. Something our bodies can't do by themselves, but also something that happens when we cook food. Since we have been cooking our veg for some time now, the appendix has gotten smaller and smaller from one generation to the next, until in modern times it has started to disappear.

We have made our bed now we shall Evolve in it. That is the one part of Curry's statement that may actually ring true:


Dr Curry warns, in 10,000 years time humans may have paid a genetic price for relying on technology.

Spoiled by gadgets designed to meet their every need, they could come to resemble domesticated animals.
[...]
There could also be health problems caused by reliance on medicine, resulting in weak immune systems.



We may very well end up looking like the aliens from "War of the Worlds". And we all know how that weak immune system worked out for them.

*Edited in respect of strangebeastie's comment wink

Tiger_Fodder

Tiger_Fodder

Braintree, MA
June 2007

OCT 28, 2007 08:38 AM

I had to check the calendar, October 27th not April 1st right? Is there a glut of scientists that this is the crap theories that they have to come up with to keep themselves entertained? This is as laughable as the crazy evangelists and their ridiculous ideas.

Azadeth

Azadeth

Fairport, NY
August 2006

OCT 28, 2007 05:31 PM

squee_ said:

PaulNikon said:
Unless a Vulcan starship shows up, we will destroy this planet in way less than 10,000 years.



This is perhaps man's biggest arrogance. We very well might destroy ourselves, but it is extremely unlikely we will destroy the planet. Reshape it. Sure. Destroy it. I don't think so.



Yes I agree, I think a few dozen hydrogen bombs would "reshape" the earth quite well...into several million pieces, actually.

How do you see this as arrogant? I quite think that the attitude you have - that we can't possibly destroy the earth - is quite a bit more arrogant than that.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

OCT 28, 2007 05:37 PM

Sick said:

Yes; the difference in our opinions seems to be that I'm arguing about biological evolution, while you're arguing about cultural evolution. Genetics versus memetics.

And while I agree that language, and cultural evolution in general, does the things you say, the article was about humans dividing into sub-species--a biological change. A change like that just isn't something culture alone can do. The culture of western Europe is vastly different from that of Australian aborigines, yet they're both human. Capable of interbreeding. The same species.

And if we're going to say that culture is capable of creating subspecies, there's no need to claim that it will happen in the future, because it's already happened.



Exactly.
I'm saying that the original question is not very useful in any terms we care about.


StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

OCT 28, 2007 05:41 PM

Uhhh... If anything, the ugly and stupid would quickly outnumber and overwhelm the attractive. There's no way the pretty people would ever be able to put together their own distinct society. Which also brings to mention that being attractive has no connection at all with being intelligent.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

OCT 28, 2007 06:10 PM

Evilgasm said:
I think H.G. Wells did describe what may happen to humanity very well. Though he did not do it in "The Time Machine". He did it in "War of the Worlds" (and no... I am not talking about aliens coming to blow us all up with their heat rays).

In "The Time Machine" the different paths of evolution that led to the Eloi/Morlok species gap came about because of one devision of humanity being subjugated/pampered to* by another, and there fore physically and genetically isolated. After many thousands of years the two evolved into different species. What Wells described in "War of the Worlds" was much more interesting. He talked about a race of beings (the Martians in this case) having evolved into a form that was totally dependent on technology (Note: they look A LOT different in the book than in any of the movie adaptations).

This is what I think SockPuppet was trying to describe. As our technology develops and we become more and more dependent on it, we change our enviornment. Not just by pollution or global warming, but we change the factors that influence our evolution. Essentially living in an artificial enviornment and evolving to adapt to it.

For example: The appendix is now a virtually useless organ in the human body. I have heard that these days some people are even born without one. It's purpose was to store bacteria that aid our digestive system in breaking down vegetable matter. Something our bodies can't do by themselves, but also something that happens when we cook food. Since we have been cooking our veg for some time now, the appendix has gotten smaller and smaller from one generation to the next, until in modern times it has started to disappear.

We have made our bed now we shall Evolve in it. That is the one part of Curry's statement that may actually ring true:


Dr Curry warns, in 10,000 years time humans may have paid a genetic price for relying on technology.

Spoiled by gadgets designed to meet their every need, they could come to resemble domesticated animals.
[...]
There could also be health problems caused by reliance on medicine, resulting in weak immune systems.



We may very well end up looking like the aliens from "War of the Worlds". And we all know how that weak immune system worked out for them.

*Edited in respect of strangebeastie's comment wink



That really wasn't what I meant...

I was suggesting that we have already changed in ways that our ancestors couldn't even understand, much less approve of - or breed with successfully (definitions of "successful" are important here); and that our changing is not via evolution in the way that it applies to other species.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

OCT 28, 2007 06:12 PM

InnocentSid said:
I had to check the calendar, October 27th not April 1st right? Is there a glut of scientists that this is the crap theories that they have to come up with to keep themselves entertained? This is as laughable as the crazy evangelists and their ridiculous ideas.



Indeed. The man is an idiot. And IIUC not a scientist.

squee_

squee_

Grand Marais, MN
September 2004

OCT 28, 2007 10:02 PM

Azadeth said:

squee_ said:

PaulNikon said:
Unless a Vulcan starship shows up, we will destroy this planet in way less than 10,000 years.



This is perhaps man's biggest arrogance. We very well might destroy ourselves, but it is extremely unlikely we will destroy the planet. Reshape it. Sure. Destroy it. I don't think so.



Yes I agree, I think a few dozen hydrogen bombs would "reshape" the earth quite well...into several million pieces, actually.

How do you see this as arrogant? I quite think that the attitude you have - that we can't possibly destroy the earth - is quite a bit more arrogant than that.



I think you are severely underestimating the amount of energy needed to destroy a planet of the earth's size. From what I have heard there is not enough hydrogen in all of the water on earth sufficient to completely destroy the planet. All life on the planet? Maybe. Make the earth uninhabitable for humans? Sure.

Of course if you have some data that supports your claim I'd be happy to hear it.



RedBstrd

RedBstrd

Riverside, CA
April 2004

OCT 29, 2007 04:06 AM

I have some serious problems with this theory. First of all, it doesn't seem to be based on any empirical evidence. I don't have any original documents written by Curry, but all of the statements above seem to be in the form "x would happen" or "x could happen." Nothing seems to be "x can be seen happening."

Also, if the catalyst in this transformation is supposed to be technology, then how would two distinct sub-species develop? Human use of technology is definitely not restricted to any social classes, ethnic groups, or even age categories. The sort of sexual isolation he predicts is quite unlikely.

In fact, I find it amusing that he predicts that one sub-species would acquire a set of overwhelmingly bad traits while another would acquire almost exclusively positive traits. Evolution, in its Darwinian form, does not include the teleological progression that Curry's evolutionary hypothesis offers. For Darwin, evolution is adaptation to an environment to allow for better reproductive success (and Darwin has a theory about how this process works). In the case of Curry's sub-species, I don't see how either group would be better suited for survival and passing on genes.

He also doesn't seem to indicate (and again I am relying on information in online newspapers) whether groups of people who rely on technology will become the "upper class" or whether those who shun technology will. So, yeah, I'm just not buying this theory.

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

OCT 29, 2007 06:49 AM

Rahodeb said:
According to Dr. Curry, the men of the ruling elite will have deeper voices and bigger penises, and the women will have smooth hairless skin, large eyes and pert breasts.



In other news, Dr. Curry watches way too much porn.

I am impressed that centuries of evolution and technological advances will apparently turn women into hentai anime characters.

Tyvron

Tyvron

Ann Arbor, MI
September 2007

NOV 04, 2007 02:52 AM

squee_ said:
I think you are severely underestimating the amount of energy needed to destroy a planet of the earth's size. From what I have heard there is not enough hydrogen in all of the water on earth sufficient to completely destroy the planet. All life on the planet? Maybe. Make the earth uninhabitable for humans? Sure.

Of course if you have some data that supports your claim I'd be happy to hear it.



I think debating between rendering a planet permanently uninhabitable blowing it into chunks is semantics. There are plenty of human activities that left unchecked, could damage the environment beyond Earth's ability to repair the damage in steady state.

Earth might still be orbiting the Sun, but given a runaway greenhouse effect, it would be closer to what we think of Venus than what we think of Earth. Enough atomic blasts could irradiate and superheat the atmosphere to the point where it evaporates away from the planet leaving molten rock to slowly cool in the void of space.

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