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Do Movies Influence People?

WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 17 2007 8:00 PM

Submitted by code_red. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: iraq, movies, anti war



Do you believe everything you see in movies? How many believed that 2003's The Texas Chainsaw Massacre was based on a true story like it advertised? Or, did you bother researching and realize it was loosely based on Ed Gein? Sometimes Americans (myself included) believe that which we see is truth, without any research.

That's why the idea of films like Redacted and Battle for Haditha, both due in November, bother me. It's a natural for Americans (or humans in general) to solidify one species, group, race, or tribe to believe that all of them are just the same. Case it point: Al-jazeera. Do you think Al-jazeera is a Middle East news organization run by terrorist sympathizers or a legitimate organization based in London? Check it out for yourself and decide.

I worry about the effect these films have on the general populace. Will people appeal to their better half and say, "Hey, not all soldiers are rapists and cowards," or will they create a MySpace group called "Fuck the Troops"? Oops. Too late. Brian De Palma, director of Redacted, wanted to have actual pictures of dead Iraqi civilians shown at the film's close, but he lost that battle because the producers thought it would be too problematic.

The graphic photos depict victims of the war; with the black magic-marker etchings across their faces, though, the faces are now difficult if not impossible to recognize. Magnolia execs have said that it's impossible to get legal releases for the photos, while [Magnolia Pictures Owner Mark] Cuban has been quoted as saying he found the unredacted images problematic.


Add to this to films like The Kingdom and Rendition that paint a bleak outlook on the war and terrorism, and in my opinion, have a way of influencing individuals. That is what bothers me.

Of course, there are movies like Body of War coming out as well, which provides hope that maybe people will find balance and realize that the military is an institution and the soldier is a minimum wage earning man or woman just trying to do the right thing.

"Body of War" focuses on how soldiers got sent to Iraq and the shape in which they're coming back, leaving the rest to the nightly news.


I am not here to sway opinions one way or another. I'm not even here to lash out at individuals who hate the military or America. But that doesn't mean that I have no feelings about it. Here is a secret I never told anyone: I served in Iraq not for my country, not for my President, and not to stop terrorism. I served in Iraq so that those U.S. Soldiers that were there, who had families, could go home... and I would go back again if it would give a father, mother, husband or wife the right to see their loved ones again.

Then again, I have not seen these films so I could be completely wrong, and this article could be completely out of context.

code_red will be doing reserve duty this weekend, so he hopes that you enjoy yours.

 

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mQx

mQx

Seattle, WA
January 2003

OCT 17, 2007 08:42 PM

I have met people with a blind spot in their generality radar concerning the armed forces. All evil, all good, no in between. Thing is, like everything else in reality, there is a lot of inbetween.

I've known soldiers who just wanted to give back to their county and others who have turned down officer training because they wanted to be on the front lines killing the enemy. Whoever that was. In a nation that claims to have a vast majority that believes in G*d, we are judgmental fucks. Especially the ones that say they aren't judgmental.

Movies absolutely influence what we think. If nothing else, they make someone actually do research on war, serial killing or whether Whitley Strieber was really abducted by aliens. They make people want to become filmmakers, artists, writers, or, on a baser level, have sex with someone that looks like their favorite movie star.

Of course movies influence people. I wouldn't have it any other way. Maybe someday they'll influence the 50% of the voting public that stayed home on their ass too lazy or too concerned with making a "political statement" in 2004, to participate in the process next time.

milenko

milenko

Camp Pendleton, CA
February 2004

OCT 17, 2007 08:53 PM

i totally agree with u on this matter being part of the armed service myself and active duty in the marine corps i like how jarhead the movie puts it all in. like yeah the new guys are edger to goto iraq and what not but from my experice iraq changed me not for good nor bad just on how i hae a outlook on life and the middle east i respect the people there they are good hard working people just tring to get by its like the phrase one apple spoils the whole bunch they are good iraqis and bad iraqis like in the states but the media whether it be news or entertainment is influenceing people's opinions about something they dont know frist hand i challenge anyone even myself to look into a matter by the selfs and not just one side both sides and make up theyre own minds about whats happening in the world and not letting media decide for them media should just be a bridge to other world and let u know stuff is happening round the world

redconsensus

redconsensus

Baltimore, MD
August 2004

OCT 17, 2007 08:53 PM

I wouldn't sweat it too badly, since the small handful of films that have you concerned are really a drop in the ocean of war films that depict soldiers as heroic, patriotic and just plain awesome.

Renshai

Renshai

Minneapolis, MN
February 2006

OCT 17, 2007 09:08 PM

That is the nature of story telling most movies. They only have so much time to get thier point across, and as result, the full story rarely gets told. It doesn't matter if it is about the military, minorities, corporations, or whatever, there is always more to the story.

The problem is just what you said it is. People believe what they see without researching the whole story.

Formus

Formus

Milwaukee, WI
May 2007

OCT 17, 2007 09:19 PM

code_red said:
I worry about the effect these films have on the general populace. Will people appeal to their better half and say "hey, not all soldiers are rapists and cowards" or will they create a myspace group called fuck the troops? Oops. Too late.



That website represents the opinions of the general public how?

Brian De Palma, director of Redacted, wanted to have actual pictures of Iraqi civilians dead accompany the film at its closure, but he lost that war because the producers thought it would be too problematic.

The graphic photos depict victims of the war; with the black magic-marker etchings across their faces, though, the faces are now difficult if not impossible to recognize. Magnolia execs have said that it's impossible to get legal releases for the photos, while [Magnolia Pictures Owner Mark] Cuban has been quoted as saying he found the unredacted images problematic.


In case you haven't realized or never knew, back in Vietnam, grotesque war photos were published on a regular basis.

But not in Iraq. And why shouldn't they be? What's the argument against it? That people will get offended? It's odd that the public is so supportive of "the war" without ever realizing what "the war" entails, and will willfully ignore such reality in the name of keeping up a false patriotism that they don't even know why they possess.

Add to this the inclusion of films like "The Kingdom" and "Rendition". These films paint a bleak outlook on the war and terrorism, and in my opinion, it has a way of influencing individuals. That is what bothers me.


Really? Seriously? You're worried that the movie will influence public opinion? Could it be that public opinion influenced the making of these films?

And besides, what damage would these films do? Presenting the war on terror in a negative light? The war on terror presents itself in a negative light. Have you forgotten about Abu Ghraib? You think Goya's work was bad because it painted the Spanish government's injustices in a negative light, and that might have "influenced individuals"?

Of course, their are movies like Body of War coming out as well, which provide hope that maybe people will balance it all and realize that the military is an institution, but the soldier is a minimum wage earning man or woman just trying to pay their way through school.


Fixed.

And there haven't been fictional films made about this before? Why aren't you mentioning any of them? You're willing to grant documentaries more credence in society as "truth" than you are fiction? Political documentaries are more manipulative than most fictional movies. You think Body of War won't "influence individuals"?

I am not here to sway opinions one way or another. I'm not even here to lash out at individual's who hate the military or America.


Holy christ, you really just said that.

code_red will be doing reserve duty this weekend, so he hopes that you enjoy yours.


Aaaand, one last guilt trip, and we're done.

KorbenDallas

KorbenDallas

Brownsville, TX
January 2005

OCT 17, 2007 09:31 PM

First time i ever saw The Three Amigos, i went out and raped the horses and rode off on the women.

Formus

Formus

Milwaukee, WI
May 2007

OCT 17, 2007 09:33 PM

KorbenDallas said:
First time i ever saw The Three Amigos, i went out and raped the horses and rode off on the women.



Really? Because I went off and had an all-male threesome. Weird.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Omaha, NE
April 2005

OCT 17, 2007 10:25 PM

Considered the nature of the Internet, I nor any other reasonable person would really be concerned about any MySpace group. Not to mention those with only roughly 500 members. Hell, Nickelback's MySpace has 342,340 friends and I'm far more worried about that group of people.

asbestosman

asbestosman

Australia
October 2005

OCT 17, 2007 10:33 PM

I agree with Fuck The Troops' statement.

But I'm not American, so my opinion is irrelevant, and so is this post.

Margot_Dent

Margot_Dent

Los Angeles, CA
February 2004

OCT 17, 2007 10:39 PM

asbestosman said:
I agree with Fuck The Troops' statement.

But I'm not American, so my opinion is irrelevant, and so is this post.



asbestosman

asbestosman

Australia
October 2005

OCT 17, 2007 10:46 PM

*bows*

JekyllAndHyde

JekyllAndHyde

Nottingham, MD
April 2005

OCT 17, 2007 10:49 PM

Formus said:

code_red said:
I worry about the effect these films have on the general populace. Will people appeal to their better half and say "hey, not all soldiers are rapists and cowards" or will they create a myspace group called fuck the troops? Oops. Too late.



That website represents the opinions of the general public how?

Brian De Palma, director of Redacted, wanted to have actual pictures of Iraqi civilians dead accompany the film at its closure, but he lost that war because the producers thought it would be too problematic.

The graphic photos depict victims of the war; with the black magic-marker etchings across their faces, though, the faces are now difficult if not impossible to recognize. Magnolia execs have said that it's impossible to get legal releases for the photos, while [Magnolia Pictures Owner Mark] Cuban has been quoted as saying he found the unredacted images problematic.


In case you haven't realized or never knew, back in Vietnam, grotesque war photos were published on a regular basis.

But not in Iraq. And why shouldn't they be? What's the argument against it? That people will get offended? It's odd that the public is so supportive of "the war" without ever realizing what "the war" entails, and will willfully ignore such reality in the name of keeping up a false patriotism that they don't even know why they possess.

Add to this the inclusion of films like "The Kingdom" and "Rendition". These films paint a bleak outlook on the war and terrorism, and in my opinion, it has a way of influencing individuals. That is what bothers me.


Really? Seriously? You're worried that the movie will influence public opinion? Could it be that public opinion influenced the making of these films?

And besides, what damage would these films do? Presenting the war on terror in a negative light? The war on terror presents itself in a negative light. Have you forgotten about Abu Ghraib? You think Goya's work was bad because it painted the Spanish government's injustices in a negative light, and that might have "influenced individuals"?

Of course, their are movies like Body of War coming out as well, which provide hope that maybe people will balance it all and realize that the military is an institution, but the soldier is a minimum wage earning man or woman just trying to pay their way through school.


Fixed.

And there haven't been fictional films made about this before? Why aren't you mentioning any of them? You're willing to grant documentaries more credence in society as "truth" than you are fiction? Political documentaries are more manipulative than most fictional movies. You think Body of War won't "influence individuals"?

I am not here to sway opinions one way or another. I'm not even here to lash out at individual's who hate the military or America.


Holy christ, you really just said that.

code_red will be doing reserve duty this weekend, so he hopes that you enjoy yours.


Aaaand, one last guilt trip, and we're done.



You know, there was a respectful way to get most of those point across without being a total prick. I actually agree with some of your points, but what purpose is served by being so damned antagonistic about it?

code_red

code_red

Portland, OR
July 2005

OCT 17, 2007 11:25 PM

Formus said:
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SPOILERS! (Click to view)

code_red said:
I worry about the effect these films have on the general populace. Will people appeal to their better half and say "hey, not all soldiers are rapists and cowards" or will they create a myspace group called fuck the troops? Oops. Too late.



That website represents the opinions of the general public how?

Brian De Palma, director of Redacted, wanted to have actual pictures of Iraqi civilians dead accompany the film at its closure, but he lost that war because the producers thought it would be too problematic.

The graphic photos depict victims of the war; with the black magic-marker etchings across their faces, though, the faces are now difficult if not impossible to recognize. Magnolia execs have said that it's impossible to get legal releases for the photos, while [Magnolia Pictures Owner Mark] Cuban has been quoted as saying he found the unredacted images problematic.


In case you haven't realized or never knew, back in Vietnam, grotesque war photos were published on a regular basis.

But not in Iraq. And why shouldn't they be? What's the argument against it? That people will get offended? It's odd that the public is so supportive of "the war" without ever realizing what "the war" entails, and will willfully ignore such reality in the name of keeping up a false patriotism that they don't even know why they possess.

Add to this the inclusion of films like "The Kingdom" and "Rendition". These films paint a bleak outlook on the war and terrorism, and in my opinion, it has a way of influencing individuals. That is what bothers me.


Really? Seriously? You're worried that the movie will influence public opinion? Could it be that public opinion influenced the making of these films?

And besides, what damage would these films do? Presenting the war on terror in a negative light? The war on terror presents itself in a negative light. Have you forgotten about Abu Ghraib? You think Goya's work was bad because it painted the Spanish government's injustices in a negative light, and that might have "influenced individuals"?

Of course, their are movies like Body of War coming out as well, which provide hope that maybe people will balance it all and realize that the military is an institution, but the soldier is a minimum wage earning man or woman just trying to pay their way through school.


Fixed.

And there haven't been fictional films made about this before? Why aren't you mentioning any of them? You're willing to grant documentaries more credence in society as "truth" than you are fiction? Political documentaries are more manipulative than most fictional movies. You think Body of War won't "influence individuals"?

I am not here to sway opinions one way or another. I'm not even here to lash out at individual's who hate the military or America.


Holy christ, you really just said that.

code_red will be doing reserve duty this weekend, so he hopes that you enjoy yours.



Aaaand, one last guilt trip, and we're done.



Thank you for the point of view.

I still don't care how anyone thinks about the war. My worry is if, like during the Vietnam war, people will lash out at the soldiers instead of the administration that sent them.

Tiwaz

Tiwaz

Germany
July 2006

OCT 17, 2007 11:31 PM

milenko said:
i totally agree with u on this matter being part of the armed service myself and active duty in the marine corps i like how jarhead the movie puts it all in. like yeah the new guys are edger to goto iraq and what not but from my experice iraq changed me not for good nor bad just on how i hae a outlook on life and the middle east i respect the people there they are good hard working people just tring to get by its like the phrase one apple spoils the whole bunch they are good iraqis and bad iraqis like in the states but the media whether it be news or entertainment is influenceing people's opinions about something they dont know frist hand i challenge anyone even myself to look into a matter by the selfs and not just one side both sides and make up theyre own minds about whats happening in the world and not letting media decide for them media should just be a bridge to other world and let u know stuff is happening round the world

Jesus man, sentences, paragraphs, they're your friends! I think you've seriously won the award for run on sentence of the year. And I was interested to hear your POV, but I got lost about half way through (due to the no sentences thing).

NoPantsDave

NoPantsDave

Cincinnati, OH
OLD SKOOL

OCT 17, 2007 11:32 PM

code_red said:
How many believe that "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" (2003) is based on a true story like it advertised?



It was probably way more believable when the original came out.

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