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Kiddie Porn or Boundary Pushing Art?



Is any and every photo of a naked kid pornography? How do you determine what's boundary-pushing art, and what's just plain sleaze? A photo from Nan Goldin's "Thanksgiving" installation, currently at the BALTIC Centre for Contemporary Art, has been seized by authorities on accusations of indecency. From their site:

BALTIC presents work by American artist Nan Goldin from The Sir Elton John Photography Collection. Thanksgiving is a micro-retrospective installation of photographs documenting the artist’s life from 1973 to 1999. The installation immerses us in Goldin’s world, recording friends and lovers and her own intimate history

Now, police in northeast England are "trying to assess" whether the photo--which has been exhibited many times previously, at major art shows--qualifies as pornography and if "an offense had been committed." The photograph, called "Klara and Edda Belly Dancing," was published in the Phaidon monograph of Goldin's works titled The Devil's Playground, and has been exhibited in Houston, London, Madrid, New York, Portugal, Warsaw and Zurich without issue.

[Elton] John purchased the "Thanksgiving" installation in 1999, his statement said.

Goldin's frank and often sexually explicit work has drawn critical acclaim, as well as police attention.


So, is it pornography or not? You be the judge:


Photo Location *photo blurred by host site.

 

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gutterman

gutterman

Austin, TX
August 2003

SEP 26, 2007 04:59 PM

As some have said, it's not good art.

Neither is it good porn.

I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who say that the reaction this photo has caused qualifies it as art. I think it's boring. It's shit like this that gives the rest of us "artists" a bad name.

My dad took pictures of his youngest son when he was born, because his scrotum was hugely swollen, and my dad was impressed. When my dad then emailed the photos to me, and I retched, it wasn't art. It was just some baby with big balls. And this photo isn't art. The reaction it's getting isn't art. It's just a bad photo with a lot of publicity.

JunkyardAngel

JunkyardAngel

San Gabriel, CA
February 2006

SEP 26, 2007 04:59 PM

I don't think I would call it porn, but I would call it inappropriate. I have seen many naked kiddie pics, you know--playing in a pool, in a tub, etc. But, you know, a crotch shot of a kid. . .should be kpet private or just torn up, so as not to embarrass the person in later years.

I would not "seize" such a pic, just look and say--well, that's tacky.

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

SEP 26, 2007 05:00 PM

It looks like a snapshot taken of kids playing.

I don't see it as either porn or art.

My parents have snapshots of me and my brother in a bathtub when we were around 5 and 6 and you could see our ding dings in a few of the shots. My parents obviously loved the porn shots.

CherryCoke

CherryCoke

Derry, NH
May 2007

SEP 26, 2007 05:00 PM

My mom has a picture of my little brother and this girl who was our neighbor at the time' when they were like, 3 years old. They're both naked and running towards a kiddie pool. If the picture shown here is porn, then the one of my little brother must be too, and my mom needs to go to jail.


But, I agree that this photo isn't what I'd consider art.

SilverJimmy

SilverJimmy

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

SEP 26, 2007 05:01 PM

d20 said:

i think it's fantastic not because of the photo itself, but because it absolutely nails the viewer with the uncomfortable issue that we're talking about in this thread.



Exactly! Those that think it is "crappy" because it is boring, low quality, etc, are completely missing how well it has done at getting you involved in this discussion. It forces you to question your beliefs and where you draw your lines, and why. I really think the idea, as d20 stated, is to make you uncomfortable, to force you to ask why seeing a couple of innocent kids playing makes you feel like that. The point is not the craft of the photo but the dialog it forces.

Formus

Formus

Milwaukee, WI
May 2007

SEP 26, 2007 05:03 PM

Gillionaire said:
I don't want to embarrass the fuck out of my kids when they get older, either.



Oh come on now. What parent doesn't want to do that?

BravoDelta

BravoDelta

Australia
April 2007

SEP 26, 2007 05:13 PM

The problem is that the viewer's interpretation could be biased by the question. If someone showed you the photo and asked what you thought of it, you would just say it's a photo of kids being silly. But if someone showed you the photo and asked if you thought it was pornographic, you would then start matching it to what qualifies as porn in your head. It's now that it is in the context of the debate that it really starts making people uncomfortable.

MrGreen

MrGreen

San Jose, CA
February 2003

SEP 26, 2007 05:15 PM

Nic said:
No. Thats kids being twats.



The word twat makes me giggle. I'm so 12. ARRR!!!

Gillionaire

Gillionaire

Manchester, NH
February 2007

SEP 26, 2007 05:17 PM

Formus said:

Gillionaire said:
I don't want to embarrass the fuck out of my kids when they get older, either.



Oh come on now. What parent doesn't want to do that?



Well, ok, you've got me there. biggrin

Formus

Formus

Milwaukee, WI
May 2007

SEP 26, 2007 05:21 PM

Gillionaire said:

Formus said:

Gillionaire said:
I don't want to embarrass the fuck out of my kids when they get older, either.



Oh come on now. What parent doesn't want to do that?



Well, ok, you've got me there. biggrin



My mother would always tell me that they identified me in the hospital as an infant by my huge testicles, and they have pictures to prove it.

Ryoukansan

Ryoukansan

Picton, ON
September 2005

SEP 26, 2007 05:28 PM

hellix said:
My problem is that I don't feel that it'sGOOD art.



I agree.. this is fucking shit
Its not porn.. its certainly not art.. and its not good
I dont think this kinda shit should be taken from a professional stand point or a moral stand point

Horrorflick

Horrorflick

Detroit, MI
February 2003

SEP 26, 2007 05:28 PM

I'm not sure what makes this art. I don't think it's pornography by any stretch of the imagination...

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

SEP 26, 2007 05:31 PM

Horrorflick said:
I'm not sure what makes this art. I don't think it's pornography by any stretch of the imagination...


The next time I visit my mom, I am going to ask her to see our old photo book, cross out the word "FAMILY ALBUM" and replace it with "ART BOOK."

It should increase its value considerably.

Gillionaire

Gillionaire

Manchester, NH
February 2007

SEP 26, 2007 05:34 PM

TheGringo said:

Horrorflick said:
I'm not sure what makes this art. I don't think it's pornography by any stretch of the imagination...


The next time I visit my mom, I am going to ask her to see our old photo book, cross out the word "FAMILY ALBUM" and replace it with "ART BOOK."

It should increase its value considerably.



You sir, are a genius.

_Tab

_Tab

USA
September 2004

SEP 26, 2007 05:35 PM

SilverJimmy said:

d20 said:

i think it's fantastic not because of the photo itself, but because it absolutely nails the viewer with the uncomfortable issue that we're talking about in this thread.



Exactly! Those that think it is "crappy" because it is boring, low quality, etc, are completely missing how well it has done at getting you involved in this discussion. It forces you to question your beliefs and where you draw your lines, and why. I really think the idea, as d20 stated, is to make you uncomfortable, to force you to ask why seeing a couple of innocent kids playing makes you feel like that. The point is not the craft of the photo but the dialog it forces.



exactly

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