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Kiddie Porn or Boundary Pushing Art?



Is any and every photo of a naked kid pornography? How do you determine what's boundary-pushing art, and what's just plain sleaze? A photo from Nan Goldin's "Thanksgiving" installation, currently at the BALTIC Centre for Contemporary Art, has been seized by authorities on accusations of indecency. From their site:

BALTIC presents work by American artist Nan Goldin from The Sir Elton John Photography Collection. Thanksgiving is a micro-retrospective installation of photographs documenting the artist’s life from 1973 to 1999. The installation immerses us in Goldin’s world, recording friends and lovers and her own intimate history

Now, police in northeast England are "trying to assess" whether the photo--which has been exhibited many times previously, at major art shows--qualifies as pornography and if "an offense had been committed." The photograph, called "Klara and Edda Belly Dancing," was published in the Phaidon monograph of Goldin's works titled The Devil's Playground, and has been exhibited in Houston, London, Madrid, New York, Portugal, Warsaw and Zurich without issue.

[Elton] John purchased the "Thanksgiving" installation in 1999, his statement said.

Goldin's frank and often sexually explicit work has drawn critical acclaim, as well as police attention.


So, is it pornography or not? You be the judge:


Photo Location *photo blurred by host site.

 

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bairdduvessa

bairdduvessa

Centerville, MA
April 2005

SEP 26, 2007 04:27 PM

that is fucking horrible

l0vetrain

l0vetrain

Portland, OR
April 2007

SEP 26, 2007 04:29 PM

If the photographer took it and is trying to pass it off as art it probably is something negative. If it has any other intended use besides normal at-home photo albums then it is VERY questionable.

Markus001

Markus001

United Kingdom
November 2004

SEP 26, 2007 04:31 PM

Nic said:
No. Thats kids being twats.



Word.

SouGei

SouGei

Blackwood, NJ
January 2007

SEP 26, 2007 04:31 PM

I don't get the point of anything Goldin does. Her work is like snapshots. I see better shit everyday randomly of Flickr. And I went to school for photo, and my teacher had a whole blah blah why it's great. If you have to explain why it's good, it's not that good.

And the porn thing is bullshit. Calling this shit "porn" hugely downplays what kiddie porn is, which is adults molesting or raping children. That's a big fuckin leap. Just cause some sickos might jerk off to it doesn't mean anything. I mean the Delia's catalog is still legal, right?

DeadBilly

DeadBilly

Burnt Cabins, PA
February 2004

SEP 26, 2007 04:32 PM

mingol said:
This seems like one of those situations where if you consider it "pornography" it says a lot more about you than it does about the photo.



Exactly. Kind of reminds me of what Kurt Cobain said about the Nevermind album cover

Cobain made it clear that the only compromise he would accept was a sticker covering the penis that would say "If you're offended by this, you must be a closet pedophile."


Formus

Formus

Milwaukee, WI
May 2007

SEP 26, 2007 04:33 PM

Gillionaire said:
It certainly isn't a photo I'd take of my kids (if I had any)



Why not? Parents take pictures of their kids having fun all the time. Parents take pictures of their kids taking baths, swimming in the backyard pool, etc. Pictures are a very spur-of-the-moment type thing, and you'd not think sexually about your own kids being naked, which to me is the definition of pornography - if it is intended to be sexual, then it's porn. (Sensuality, for the record, is not in these instances sexuality.) Nudity is not necessarily sexual.

But the reactions to this attempt to make it sexual. Which is an odd unintented consequence - accusing it of being sexual, even if it's not, makes it sexual in the eyes of some viewers, and goads on the sexual perversions of a lot of people, some of whom wouldn't view it that way in the first place.

starblood

starblood

Horsham, PA
March 2006

SEP 26, 2007 04:33 PM

It's a couple kids playing. It's not a particularly "artistic" photograph (I know that's subjective, but it seems too low quality, too much like a quick family snapshot), but that certainly doesn't make it pornographic. As many have said, it's the viewer who makes it so.

theconservative

theconservative

Spring, TX
October 2004

SEP 26, 2007 04:35 PM

it certainly is weird. as a father of a two year old, i'm inclined to say that this piece crosses the line

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

SEP 26, 2007 04:35 PM

hellix said:
My problem is that I don't feel that it'sGOOD art.



bizoptly.

Benzino

Benzino

Winnipeg, MB
November 2006

SEP 26, 2007 04:35 PM

Like some I agree it just looks like two kids playing and horsing around, but a small child naked is a bit rough. The guy isn't taking advantage of a street kid, or some child who is ignored by parents so it;s not like he is a predator.

Gillionaire

Gillionaire

Manchester, NH
February 2007

SEP 26, 2007 04:41 PM

Formus said:

Gillionaire said:
It certainly isn't a photo I'd take of my kids (if I had any)



Why not? Parents take pictures of their kids having fun all the time. Parents take pictures of their kids taking baths, swimming in the backyard pool, etc. Nudity is not necessarily sexual.



I'm fully aware that nudity doesn't equal sexuality. However, I can find plenty of opportunities to take pictures of my own children someday, or my current neices or nephews having fun without having to show off their naked crotches to friends and family. Because frankly, I doubt they want to see it, I don't really feel a compelling need to see it myself (as I'm sure I'll see it often enough with diaper changing to have it burned in my brain already), and I don't want to embarrass the fuck out of my kids when they get older, either.

acrylickitty

acrylickitty

USA
January 2005

SEP 26, 2007 04:48 PM


(What i think)
I 'm an mom/ artist /preschool teacher . From an my own artist point of view. i am not seeing anything artistic about this in anyway. As a teacher of young children what the f@@k is the matter with the person that felt the need to display this in a show that sometimes shows sexually explicit works that is a problem and gives mixed emotions and the subject..As a mom i have lots of pictures of my children enjoying there childhood but those are personal pictures that they enjoy in their own little photo albums. skull skull

starblood

starblood

Horsham, PA
March 2006

SEP 26, 2007 04:55 PM

Maybe someone wanted to make people rethink their first impressions and prejudices. Some would say that's what art is all about.

zyryx

zyryx

Tyler, TX
April 2004

SEP 26, 2007 04:57 PM

it's neither art, not pornography...

GadflySystem

GadflySystem

Santa Rosa, CA
April 2007

SEP 26, 2007 04:58 PM

zyryx said:
it's neither art, not pornography...


+1

It's just a pic of kids being kids.

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