By now you're probably familiar with the story of the University of Florida student who was tasered during a forum with Sen. John Kerry. In the course of asking Kerry about his membership in Skull and Bones, he was forcibly removed from the microphone and "escorted" to the back of the auditorium, loudly protesting all the while.
As has been noted, neither Kerry nor the majority of the other students participating in the forum did anything to stop this from happening. However, about 2,000 miles away at Colorado State University, students sympathetic to the recently tasered Andrew Meyer published a response, which has left the paper approximately $30,000 poorer in advertising dollars so far.
Colorado State University's student newspaper has lost $30,000 in advertising and had to cut pay and other budgets by 10 percent because of fallout from the use of a four-letter word in an editorial about President Bush, the Coloradoan reported Saturday.
In large type, the editorial included the words "Taser this ... Fuck Bush." The editorial said it had the support of the Collegian's editorial board.
"As local and national media will inevitably jump on this controversy, I strongly urge the university community to try and understand that the intentions of the students on staff, including me, were not to cause harm, but rather to reinforce the importance of free speech at our great institution," Editor-in-Chief J. David McSwane said in a posting on the paper's Web site Friday.
I can understand being up at arms about the Bush administrations "approach" to civil liberties, and I can totally jive with wanting to "make a statement people couldn't ignore," as the paper's Editor-in-Chief says he wanted to do, but "Fuck Bush"? That's not original, intelligent, or creative. How about "Fuck Kerry." That would be more to the point, after all, and your advertisers probably wouldn't have as big a problem with it.
The Collegian, a free publication funded entirely by advertising and published Monday through Friday printed comments, including negative ones on its Web site.
"Like many other comments here, I'm quite ashamed to see the official voice of my alma mater's paper choosing to express itself like this," wrote one commenter under the name Phil Mills. "Regardless of the Editors' opinion of our President, I would have hoped that they could have come up with something more eloquent and reasoned to express that opinion than this... this... bumper sticker."
The fact that Kerry continued to numbly "answer" Meyer's question even as the kid was being tasered and screaming "Help" and "Owwww" in agony is absurd and pathetic. Publishing an editorial response in a college paper that reads "Taser this ... Fuck Bush," is a close second.
Perhaps worst of all are the other students and (presumably) faculty who didn't respond. What would you do in that situation? Stand idly by, or speak up and act out?
It is safer to question John Kerry then to drive with Ted Kennedy.
or...?
Oh come on, don't play dumb, you knew he meant "thAn."
I was giving him a chance. As it was (with "than") the joke wasn't funny. but if he really meant "then" and just didn't finish yet, well, there's still opportunity for hilarity there.
The setup alone is kind of funny, on the one hand the hypothetical person would not only ask Kerry some questions but follow it up with a cruise around the block with Ted Kennedy...I mean, who would do that? and on the hother hand, what could the alternate activity be that would be as dangerous or bizarre? eating pretzels with Bush then hunting with Cheney?
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Formus
Milwaukee, WI
May 2007
SEP 22, 2007 10:25 PM
Reaver said:
sometimes cops really annoy me. But most times I am damned happy to see them when something crazy is going down.
Yeah, asking a question at a town hall meeting. How wild and crazy that was.
It is safer to question John Kerry then to drive with Ted Kennedy.
or...?
Oh come on, don't play dumb, you knew he meant "thAn."
I was giving him a chance. As it was (with "than") the joke wasn't funny. but if he really meant "then" and just didn't finish yet, well, there's still opportunity for hilarity there.
The setup alone is kind of funny, on the one hand the hypothetical person would not only ask Kerry some questions but follow it up with a cruise around the block with Ted Kennedy...I mean, who would do that? and on the hother hand, what could the alternate activity be that would be as dangerous or bizarre? eating pretzels with Bush then hunting with Cheney?
Duly noted for the record that I obliterated the chance for the recovery of hilarity. Just please don't tase me, Bro.
Reaver said:
People from Canada are odd to me, just because you let the government take your guns away so you can be safe doesn't mean we don't still have ours.
Psst ... Canucks can own firearms (excluding fully automatic weapons) ... just sayin.
Clidna said:
I wasn't aware that a person "gives up free speech when enrolling in an educational institution"... thanks for the warning. Should I tell my children if they ask a question the Prof doesn't like, they might be tasered?
Thank you for taking a sentence fragment from all that I said and running amok with it. Much like the actions of the security guards were taken in fragments, edited down to make it ever the more dramatic.
The fact is that you agree to abide by the rules of your educational institution, and UF has rules regarding public speaking, demonstrations and protests, all of which were violated by Andrew Meyer's behavior.
I understand and agree with that... but typically, not following the rules doesn't get somebody tasered, it gets them expelled. Speaking of which, did he? I haven't read anything that has answered that.
There was a lot going on before the videos you see start, according to police reports and witness statements. They asked him to leave, he refused. They moved to physically remove him, he resisted. He continued to resist even on the ground, and even after he was warned he would be tasered. Gee, you continue your tantrum after that point, guess what? Things get all sparkly, and not in a way you enjoy.
Am I the only one that heard, at 1m 21s into the video (1:02 if it's counting down) the kid say, "Just let me up and I'll walk out,"? Yet over 30 seconds later, they taser him anyway. Was the kid being a dick? Yes. Could it have been handled differently? Yes.
What truly startles me is the sheer number of SHEEP that just glance at the surface and scream "Police Brutality! Witness the oppression inherent in the system!!!"
I don't think it was police brutality, but I do think it could have been handled far better than it was, and I definitely think it could have been handled without tasering the kid. Also, I didn't glance at the surface - after hearing about the video, I did my own research.
Bottom line: He brought all this shit on himself.
Maybe he did... but due to the actions of the officers, they brought the inquiries and publicity on themselves, too.
Frenchinhaler said:
Patriotism and nationalism in general are bullshit and cause more problems than they solve.
For me it's not so much patriotism, as it's just being glad that I live in a country with a much smaller population, so such things don't happen as often as they do in the States.
Wow, this whole thing makes me sick. It doesn't matter what the kid was saying, there was no reason for him to be "escorted" out of the building. People trying to argue that this isn't about free speech are forgeting the simple fact that the kid asked a few questions and was physically pulled towards the exit.
You want to call the guy stupid? Go ahead! I'm with you. Dumbass shouldn't have been screwing around. A guard tells you to move, you give him the finger and start moving.
But hey, he got tasered, and now he's got one hell of a lawsuit he can work with. Instant celebrity, and instant cash. The all-american dream.
That kid was an idiot. The cops overreacted, yeah. Police brutality? For sure. How many cops were there? They had the kid pinned to the ground...I'm sure they could've gotten cuffs on him without the taser. Here's some more police brutality. Also, these cops drove cars into the bikers. Oh, and by bikers, I don't mean Hell's Angels. I'm mean hippy environmentalists. Awesome, huh?
Of what? I didn't think those words could be truthfully placed in the same sentence anymore.
Well, I take that back. It's a bit mean-spirited. I guess it depends on what you're proud of...of what you're proud...depends upon the issues you regard with pride?
the kid was tasered because he resisted arrest. plain and simple. should he have been arrested? probably not. what was kerry doing about it? nothing. what would the police have done had anybody in the auditorium moved towards kerry to appeal him to exercise some authority over the situation? shot them with a real gun. why didnt kerry exercise any better authority? because he has none. why are the police like this? because 9/11 got deep inside everyones little first-world brains. why didnt the kid just be quiet and leave the auditorium? because he was trying to make a point. did he make his point? thats up to you to decide. i dont think he did, other than the diversion probably allowed a real threat an unobstructed path to kerry. so, were the police doing their job? probably not the way they should have. are the people who removed their advertisements from the school newspaper spineless scumbags? you betcha', and undoubtedly in someones pocket. but hey, advertising dollars run the world, and we should alter our thoughts accordingly. i mean, without advertising dollars, would the www ever have enjoyed enough popularity to present this to you via youtube? the mass media, in the pockets of corporations? NO. say it aint so. an irreverent kid getting tasered by a gaggle of dipshit cops? sadly, the lesser of two evils.
As has been noted, neither Kerry nor the majority of the other students participating in the forum did anything to stop this from happening.
on its Web site.
'As two officers take Meyer by the arms, Kerry, D-Massachusetts, is heard to say, "That's alright, let me answer his question."
As Kerry tells the audience he will answer the student's "very important question,"'
And Kerry, as the head speaker, is supposed to have done what exactly, beyond telling the guards not taze the student since he'll answer his question? Specifically and pragmatically, what should Kerry's precise course of action have been, and why would 'fuck Kerry' been a cogent response to this course of events?
As has been noted, neither Kerry nor the majority of the other students participating in the forum did anything to stop this from happening.
on its Web site.
'As two officers take Meyer by the arms, Kerry, D-Massachusetts, is heard to say, "That's alright, let me answer his question."
As Kerry tells the audience he will answer the student's "very important question,"'
And Kerry, as the head speaker, is supposed to have done what exactly, beyond telling the guards not taze the student since he'll answer his question? Specifically and pragmatically, what should Kerry's precise course of action have been, and why would 'fuck Kerry' been a cogent response to this course of events?
easy question. he should have appealed to the officers to let the young man up and let him leave unobstructed. 'the young man poses no threat to me officers. if he is disrupting the forum to an extent that you must remove him, please do so in a quick and orderly fashion. no tasering will be necessary.'
makes sense, right? of course the kid didnt help his case at all. but if i had been one of the officers, i could have then easily responded ; 'sir, were escorting you out of the building, because you are posing a disturbance to a civil and peaceful gathering. if you resist, you will be neutralized, arrested and removed in cuffs.'
is it unreasonable? that almost happened, but not quite.
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