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  • SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 2 2007 4:00 PM

Choice and Class



A pretty good--but not perfect--editorial in the San Francisco Chronicle about choice, class, and the so-called "Mommy Wars":

The debate over whether mothers of young children should . . . opt out, (or) choose to stay home -- reveals its bias: It assumes that all mothers can make a choice that, in actuality, very few mothers are in a position to make.

For most mothers, working full time is not a choice to be weighed against having a family; it's a necessity in order to support a family.
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It's easy to open a newspaper and get the impression that parenting is a challenge faced only by upper-middle-class people. . . . Should children enroll in science or soccer camp?
....
for low-income mothers, summer brings a different set of challenges: finding a new means of child care now that the days aren't filled with classroom instruction.


As the article points out, this kind of thing is a feminist problem--

The recent obsession with the Mommy Wars and its out-and-out refusal to consider these differences in an area where socioeconomic class makes a huge difference has been puzzling to many feminists. It's 2007. The idea that class matters in, well, matters of class, is not exactly the complex syllogism it once was.

Or perhaps it is. The Mommy Wars' blatant disregard of its impact on lower-income mothers has resulted in something worse than a reversion to second-wave feminism of the 1970s, which favored a simplistic focus on giving women a choice without considering economic and cultural differences.
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In essence, it's an onslaught of negative third-wave feminism, which assumes everyone has the financial security to make a choice and tells low-income and poor mothers that this doesn't concern them


--but it's a false feminist problem. That is to say, the media portrayal of "women's issues" as exclusively belonging to (mostly) white, upper middle class women is not something that comes from feminists (and no, not even "third-wave" feminists, who are well aware, thankyouverymuch, that class and race matter). It's something that comes from sexism. The only women who "count" are women who have the money and hence the collective power to affect advertisers. Poor women? If we pay attention to them, they're "the poor"--issues specific to women either get ignored or get presented as the results of "poor choices" (interesting use of the word, no?) like having "too many" kids "too young"--which presumably means before landing that six-figure-earning husband. Women of color? Oh, racism no longer exists, didn't you know? Immigrant women? They shouldn't have "chosen" to cross the border illegally.

It's not a coincidence that the overblown hype about the "Mommy Wars" only serves to convince people that feminism is trivial (after all, what's more trivial than being a mommy?), self-involved, and at best a hobby of privileged women. But if you go around and read what self-declared feminists actually write about, you'll find a whole 'nother picture.

The Chronicle's right that the problem is the assumption that "everyone" has enough money to "choose" to do the right thing. An assumption that contains an unstated premise that even those of us who are comfortably middle- to upper-middle class often have bad luck or make "bad choices"--but since we "matter," our choices are cushioned by the ability to refinance, to borrow in emergencies, to take out student loans, to ask mom or dad to help us find a job or loan us a little bit to tide us over, to coast on our husband's or wife's health insurance, to pay for a babysitter, to join a gym, to see a doctor. Even knowing that things like student loans are available is a privilege of the middle class: think about how much of the stuff you know about money and getting by is stuff someone else told you about, or someone you know did before you.

The Chronicle concludes by saying that "The Mommy Wars can be won when we redefine victory." It's not the mommy wars that are the problem though: the real problem is a media-manufactured class privilege that relies on hidden classism, racism, and sexism. The "war" will be won when people start realizing that most people, mommies and parents especially, do their damn best. And that therefore any problem you can generalize about is not simply a matter of "good" or "bad" "choices."

Bitch_PhD passes in public as a soccer mom, and can't decide if that's funny or terrifying.

 

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freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

SEP 03, 2007 05:42 PM

Mankarlen said:
The sad thing is this is just reflecting society as a whole. The one that is get rich and then you are worthy of children. Low income families we may have to support so they do not have the right to have children. this is not a race issue, white black red all have low income workers. This country would fall apart without us. Who woudl do the things without us that are required that keep our society togather. From the garbage man truck driver or housekeepers waitresses, to the farm workers all who have the desire and the right to have children. To me this a societal problem that needs to be adddressed.



It will be addressed by technology absorbing the jobs that low-income workers do, and this will happen probably within 50 years.

Low skill jobs are going away quickly, either to technology, or going to other countries, due to increases in technology (such as call centers and drivethrus being outsourced).

I know it sounds assholish, but looking at the progress that has been made over the past 50 years, it just seems like the next 50 years will become even more so

Clidna

Clidna

Canada
January 2005

SEP 04, 2007 06:40 AM

xazapdmytinu said:
Man, there's that "war" thing again...it's like adding "gate" onto every presidential scandal...any struggle is automatically made into a "war"...why is it that everything has to be a battle with only a few ways to victory and at the end there is a winner and a loser? Because that's what WAR implies...that somebody loses.



From Mirriam-Webster:

war - b : a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end <a class war> <a war against disease>



Clidna

Clidna

Canada
January 2005

SEP 04, 2007 06:42 AM

gcash056 said:
You don't HAVE to have kids, ya know...

I'm perfectly happy without a squalling rugrat and I wish a lot more people either didn't have them, or actually spent time teaching their brats class and manners.



Something that would be much easier if one had the choice to stay home with their children... only rich people should be able to have children now?

nice_pun_bro

nice_pun_bro

Irvine, CA
January 2007

SEP 04, 2007 01:38 PM

mattacme said:
Sorry it sounds ridiculous. It seems obvious to me. I don't understand what your references have to do with anything I said. Please explain.

As for the "Leftist" reference, that would be one form (of potentially many) that a shift in power could take but as a rule I would suggest that it would be exceptional and only likely if the separation of haves/have nots rose to the heights they did in pre revolution Russia. I certainly hope that this does not come to pass.

Just to pigeon hole myself for your easy digestion, I am a New Deal Democrat.



My point in the first paragraph is that the French and American Revolutions occurred in a pre-Capitalist world, and that the catalysts for Industrial Capitalism (Wealth of Nations, locomotives) didn't exist yet.

Of course, continuing in your line of misinterpreting history, you also say that the October Revolution had to do with class. Pre-Revolution Russia hadn't even industrialized, there was no way a socialist revolution ought to have occurred there according to Marx's model. It was a revolution by bourgeois vanguardists, not workers and not have-nots.

teddy__kgb

teddy__kgb

Albuquerque, NM
February 2007

SEP 04, 2007 02:25 PM

this might not be an issue if women were given time off and government support while they are pregnant. the pre-requisite would, of course, be that they were employed to begin with. i cant say this without coming off as racist or sexist, but i dont really care. give the mother the last six months of pregnancy off, as well as the first three months of the childs life, and pay her for it. maybe with this relief she would be happy to return to work after the kid is born?

its like unemployment, but she gets to return to the job. unless she doesnt want to, in which case she cant collect again until she has another job. the maximum number of times she can collect is two or three. theres a system similar to this in austria, and to my knowledge it works very well. then again, there are different cultural problems here.

you guys managed to turn this into an academic discussion about socialism. while i understand, its nowhere near the original topic. this is symptomatic of people who are smart enough to talk theory, but not experienced enough to understand practice, and a large reason why wading through current events message boards is difficult.

nice_pun_bro

nice_pun_bro

Irvine, CA
January 2007

SEP 04, 2007 05:48 PM

As I understand it, Sweden and Norway have much more generous systems for parental leave from work. Parental leave ought not be an obscure, little-spoken of topic in America, but it is for whatever reason. Now, is parental leave a matter of gender, class, or race? Well, in America, it involves all three to varying degrees, and it would behoove those discussing and forming policy about such issues to keep that in mind.

And frankly, I'm insulted by your assertion that I'm not "experienced enough to understand practice," especially considering that I wasn't talking about theory as much as I was talking about history.

teddy__kgb

teddy__kgb

Albuquerque, NM
February 2007

SEP 04, 2007 06:57 PM

j1mdot said:
As I understand it, Sweden and Norway have much more generous systems for parental leave from work. Parental leave ought not be an obscure, little-spoken of topic in America, but it is for whatever reason. Now, is parental leave a matter of gender, class, or race? Well, in America, it involves all three to varying degrees, and it would behoove those discussing and forming policy about such issues to keep that in mind.

And frankly, I'm insulted by your assertion that I'm not "experienced enough to understand practice," especially considering that I wasn't talking about theory as much as I was talking about history.



fair enough

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

SEP 05, 2007 03:46 PM

j1mdot said:

mattacme said:
Sorry it sounds ridiculous. It seems obvious to me. I don't understand what your references have to do with anything I said. Please explain.

As for the "Leftist" reference, that would be one form (of potentially many) that a shift in power could take but as a rule I would suggest that it would be exceptional and only likely if the separation of haves/have nots rose to the heights they did in pre revolution Russia. I certainly hope that this does not come to pass.

Just to pigeon hole myself for your easy digestion, I am a New Deal Democrat.



My point in the first paragraph is that the French and American Revolutions occurred in a pre-Capitalist world, and that the catalysts for Industrial Capitalism (Wealth of Nations, locomotives) didn't exist yet.

Of course, continuing in your line of misinterpreting history, you also say that the October Revolution had to do with class. Pre-Revolution Russia hadn't even industrialized, there was no way a socialist revolution ought to have occurred there according to Marx's model. It was a revolution by bourgeois vanguardists, not workers and not have-nots.



Did he claim there was a socialist revolution in Russia?

It is pretty clear that the October Revolution had to do with class; just not necessarily Marx's classes.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

SEP 05, 2007 03:54 PM

mattacme said:

SockPuppet said:

mattacme said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

The presumptuousness of many who would imagine themselves either "Liberals" or "Feminists" (or any number of other labels) is deeply disturbing. Thanks for citing the SF Chronicle article.

Two points of my own to add...

1. The so called class war that we are witnessing is quite similar to others before it in the Capitalist age, in which the cult of money is dominant. The French Revolution, our own War of Independence, the labor movement that began in the late nineteenth century; these are all manifestations of the struggle that builds when one group has something that the other want and need. It is coming clearer at present because the consolidation of wealth is still in full swing, and will continue for the next half generation at least.

2. Its not a Feminist or Womens's issue any longer; it is a class war.




I'm a little puzzled by this. What makes it a class war? I'd be grateful for sources.



Hi. I'm tied up feeding kids but will reply when I have a moment. Is mid-week too late? Another respondent posted some interesting sources as well.



Thank you, that would be excellent.

nice_pun_bro

nice_pun_bro

Irvine, CA
January 2007

SEP 07, 2007 12:20 PM

SockPuppet said:
Did he claim there was a socialist revolution in Russia?



I made reference to Marxist revolutionary banter, he said that was just one path of revolution and indicated that such a revolution "would be exceptional and only likely if the separation of haves/have nots rose to the heights they did in pre revolution Russia." So, yeah, he said there was some sort of Marxist revolution in Russia.

SockPuppet said:
It is pretty clear that the October Revolution had to do with class; just not necessarily Marx's classes.



Yes, the peasantry was herded, albeit willingly, from the Czar's pen to the Commissar's pen; that doesn't make it their revolution.

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