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  • TUESDAY AUGUST 28 2007 4:00 PM

Or At Least It Ought to Be



What's the connection between Bush's assholish attempt to deny health insurance to children and reproductive rights?

Glad you asked.

And finally, apparently [LIST]Hillary Clinton is not only saying that we need to make sure that reproductive health be part of any planned health care reform, but--for those of you who've forgotten or never realized--the very existence of the SCHIP came out of the work she did after her "failed" attempt at health care reform during her husband's first administration. (And yes, that's her taking credit for it--but don't worry, right wing nutjobs as well as lefties who support other Democratic candidates back this up.)

And now the latest news about poverty rates now includes information that further puts the lie to Bush's bullshit about not wanting to expand SCHIP to cover those above the poverty line.

The nation's poverty rate declined for the first time this decade, but the number of Americans without health insurance rose to a record high of 47 million in 2006, according to Census figures released today.

Children fared even worse. Last year 11.7 percent of youngsters under 18 years had no health insurance, up from 10.9 percent in 2005. The percentage of uninsured children has increased two years in a row after declining for at least five years, according to the Census data.


How is that possible?

"Despite SCHIP's earlier success in decreasing the number of uninsured children, their numbers have risen for the second straight year because of a decline in employer-based coverage."


So people are working harder, earning less

(The increase in this year's median household income appeared to be largely due to a jump in the number of people in each household taking on full-time jobs, rather than a rise in wages. In fact, earnings of both men and women declined by just over 1 percent.

The drop in the poverty rate from 12.6 percent in 2005 to 12.3 percent in 2006, meanwhile, was almost entirely driven by a decrease in poverty for those over 65),

and fewer jobs are offering health coverage.

HIllarycare--or fuck, any kind of national program, whether a single-payer system or nationalized hospitals--is starting to look pretty goddamn good, don't you think?

Bitch_PhD still isn't sure who she supports in the primary, but is pretty sure that Hillary's the best choice soley from a reproductive rights perspective.

 

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lilknottygirl

lilknottygirl

Cedar Rapids, IA
June 2006

AUG 28, 2007 06:23 PM

raist333 said:
If I choose to smoke, why should you have to pay for my lung transplant?

If I choose to drink heavily, why should you have to pay for my liver transplant?

If you are a teen girl, choose to have sex and get pregnant, why should America be responsible for paying your medical expenses?

So no Bitch_PhD, socialized medicine doesn't "look pretty goddamn good" ...if you're pro-choice and pro-consequence.


just for the record, if you do have employer provided health coverage and you're in a group plan w/someone who does do those things, you will pay for it because your premiums will go up. you will pay more for the exact same coverage because of someone else's health problems. at least w/ universal healthcare we'd all be covered and it would mitigate some of those expenses.

chocohoodie

chocohoodie

I'm lost
February 2005

AUG 28, 2007 06:29 PM

Ok libertarians, why stop there?

- "Why should my tax dollars pay to put out your housefire if you accidentally left the gas on?"

- "Why should my tax dollars pay to track down the guy who robbed your house if you left the door unlocked?"

- "Why should my tax dollars pay for road repairs on your street if you hit a light pole?"


Also, forehead slap, luxury items like alcohol and cigarettes have extra taxes levied on them for a reason.

Tiger_Fodder

Tiger_Fodder

Braintree, MA
June 2007

AUG 28, 2007 06:35 PM

xazapdmytinu said:
Also, it takes one bad choice to become a teen mother, whereas it takes continuous disregard for your own health to require a liver or lung transplant.



You are a tool if you think that everyone that requires a liver or lung transplant needs it because they have had a disregard for their own health. My next door neighbor, a 16 year old girl, is getting a double lung transplant soon (we hope) and she has never smoked in her whole short life (neither has her mom).

As far as Dubya and the right-wing assholes, they believe in the sanctity of life until birth. After that they do not give a shit!

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

AUG 28, 2007 06:54 PM

InnocentSid said:

xazapdmytinu said:
Also, it takes one bad choice to become a teen mother, whereas it takes continuous disregard for your own health to require a liver or lung transplant.



You are a tool if you think that everyone that requires a liver or lung transplant needs it because they have had a disregard for their own health. My next door neighbor, a 16 year old girl, is getting a double lung transplant soon (we hope) and she has never smoked in her whole short life (neither has her mom).



If you read the post he was replying to, it specified people who were getting liver or lung transplants because of drinking and smoking respectively. I'm sure he didn't mean that ALL people needing those procedures made bad health decisions!


And RileyStClair, I love you!

SirPsychoSexy

SirPsychoSexy

Ridgewood, NJ
January 2004

AUG 28, 2007 07:04 PM

raist333 said:
If I choose to smoke, why should you have to pay for my lung transplant?

If I choose to drink heavily, why should you have to pay for my liver transplant?

If you are a teen girl, choose to have sex and get pregnant, why should America be responsible for paying your medical expenses?

So no Bitch_PhD, socialized medicine doesn't "look pretty goddamn good" ...if you're pro-choice and pro-consequence.



Goddamned stupid poor people! Get with the lernin' already!

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

AUG 28, 2007 07:17 PM

indiecred17 said:
thats true.. and i dont think anyone here is questioning a woman's right to choose... but its a little irrelevant to the point.. wheres my right to CHOOSE.. not to pay for some abortion i had no part in...



You'd hardly be "paying for some abortion you had no part in", so don't exaggerate. You'd probably end up giving like five tax dollars to pay for more general health care. Is that really that huge a deal to you?

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

AUG 28, 2007 07:18 PM

Seej said:
Oh, and now I've done my best to shoot down that potential "if she didn't want to get pregnant, she shouldn't have had sex!" argument I'd be happy to take that dollar bet you offer Morgan. I accept paypal smile



How about since you shot down that potential argument I award you one free Internet? You can redeem it at any time!

SirPsychoSexy

SirPsychoSexy

Ridgewood, NJ
January 2004

AUG 28, 2007 07:19 PM

indiecred17 said:

Seej said:


Birth control doesn't always work.
Rape happens.
Condoms break.
etc, etc.



Absolutely, but you forgot the most important one; teenagers, at least those under 18, are kids. They're immature, and not adult. That's why they're not afforded the same choices and freedoms (voting, drinking, credit cards, etc.) that adults enjoy - they can and do make shitty decisions because they're still growing up.

So if some 16 year old girl is dumb enough to get drunk (surely not a great stretch of the imagination), then she's got both her immaturity and the booze screwing with her ability to make a good decision about sex. She may behave irresponsibly, but this is to be expected and punishing her by forcing her to go forward with the pregnancy is unlikely to benefit either her, her family, the child, or society.

Oh, and now I've done my best to shoot down that potential "if she didn't want to get pregnant, she shouldn't have had sex!" argument I'd be happy to take that dollar bet you offer Morgan. I accept paypal smile



thats true.. and i dont think anyone here is questioning a woman's right to choose... but its a little irrelevant to the point.. wheres my right to CHOOSE.. not to pay for some abortion i had no part in...



You do have a right to choose whether or not you want to be a member of society. You can choose to either leave the US, or not pay taxes and become forcibly removed from society.
You also have the choice to not make any money and thus pay no taxes. The money you use is backed by the full faith and credit of the United States, so if you want to live here you gotta pay your dues.

If you choose to live here and I don't like you, can I refuse to pay one 300,000,000th of my taxes? You could always move to Switzerland so I don't have to pay for all the benefits you get as a citizen.

dingoes8

dingoes8

Milwaukee, WI
March 2004

AUG 28, 2007 07:20 PM

raist333 said:
If you are a teen girl, choose to have sex and get pregnant, why should America be responsible for paying your medical expenses?

So no Bitch_PhD, socialized medicine doesn't "look pretty goddamn good" ...if you're pro-choice and pro-consequence.



Because America has decided it's not important to teach teenagers about safe sex.

What does a pro-consequencer have to say to that?

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

AUG 28, 2007 07:27 PM

raist333 said:
If I choose to smoke, why should you have to pay for my lung transplant?

If I choose to drink heavily, why should you have to pay for my liver transplant?

If you are a teen girl, choose to have sex and get pregnant, why should America be responsible for paying your medical expenses?

So no Bitch_PhD, socialized medicine doesn't "look pretty goddamn good" ...if you're pro-choice and pro-consequence.



HHAHAHHAA!

If you choose to drive on a rainy day, lose control of your car and slam into a bridge barrier, crippling yourself and going into a coma, at which point you are instantaneously released from your job, because they don't have any legal reason to keep you employed and can put you in "lay off status", then the health insurance provider will fight every claim that crosses it's desk and you are left in financial ruins because you can't even come out of the coma to defend yourself.

hey fuck it man, i didn't choose to drive on a rainy day. It's all YOUR fault.

and Morgan i walk into my daughter's room every night, kiss her good night, tuck her in and say "Thank you god for making my ex wife unable to not spread teh legz".

aaronthere

aaronthere

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

AUG 28, 2007 07:33 PM

raist333 said:
If I choose to smoke, why should you have to pay for my lung transplant?

If I choose to drink heavily, why should you have to pay for my liver transplant?

If you are a teen girl, choose to have sex and get pregnant, why should America be responsible for paying your medical expenses?

So no Bitch_PhD, socialized medicine doesn't "look pretty goddamn good" ...if you're pro-choice and pro-consequence.



I think it's called compassion. Some human beings have it. Some obviously do not.

Skywisdom

Skywisdom

Portland, OR
December 2005

AUG 28, 2007 07:34 PM

SirPsychoSexy said:

indiecred17 said:

Seej said:


Birth control doesn't always work.
Rape happens.
Condoms break.
etc, etc.



Absolutely, but you forgot the most important one; teenagers, at least those under 18, are kids. They're immature, and not adult. That's why they're not afforded the same choices and freedoms (voting, drinking, credit cards, etc.) that adults enjoy - they can and do make shitty decisions because they're still growing up.

So if some 16 year old girl is dumb enough to get drunk (surely not a great stretch of the imagination), then she's got both her immaturity and the booze screwing with her ability to make a good decision about sex. She may behave irresponsibly, but this is to be expected and punishing her by forcing her to go forward with the pregnancy is unlikely to benefit either her, her family, the child, or society.

Oh, and now I've done my best to shoot down that potential "if she didn't want to get pregnant, she shouldn't have had sex!" argument I'd be happy to take that dollar bet you offer Morgan. I accept paypal smile



thats true.. and i dont think anyone here is questioning a woman's right to choose... but its a little irrelevant to the point.. wheres my right to CHOOSE.. not to pay for some abortion i had no part in...



You do have a right to choose whether or not you want to be a member of society. You can choose to either leave the US, or not pay taxes and become forcibly removed from society.
You also have the choice to not make any money and thus pay no taxes. The money you use is backed by the full faith and credit of the United States, so if you want to live here you gotta pay your dues.

If you choose to live here and I don't like you, can I refuse to pay one 300,000,000th of my taxes? You could always move to Switzerland so I don't have to pay for all the benefits you get as a citizen.



Ahaha! Love it. +1

Formus

Formus

Milwaukee, WI
May 2007

AUG 28, 2007 07:48 PM

Seej said:


Birth control doesn't always work.
Rape happens.
Condoms break.
etc, etc.



Absolutely, but you forgot the most important one; teenagers, at least those under 18, are kids. They're immature, and not adult. That's why they're not afforded the same choices and freedoms (voting, drinking, credit cards, etc.) that adults enjoy - they can and do make shitty decisions because they're still growing up.



A) They still drink, they still smoke, they still have sex, no matter what people say. Teenagers have always had sex. The teen pregnancy rate in the 1950s was higher than it is now. No amount of anything will convince kids not to have sex, and I don't see why they shouldn't if they do it safely. But just like with adults, shit happens, and when it does, abortion is a legal, viable place to turn, especially if the girl is emotionally incapable of raising a child. There are 35-year-old women who are just as emotionally unstable as teen girls and have no place raising children. Foster homes are full, and even those that aren't are shitholes that emotionally destroy children, and even lead to increased pregnancy rates* due to that same emotional instability, making the circle exceedingly vicious.

B) Since the fuck when have adults been the shining light of good decision-making? It's the biggest myth of all time that just because someone turns from 17 to 18 or from 20 to 21 they're automatically endowed with heretofore unknown responsibility and self-control. 70-year-olds make just as bad decisions as those made by teenagers. Let's bury that fucking myth. Please.

*Carpenter, C., Clyman, B., Davidson, A., & Steiner, J. (2001). The association of foster care or kinship care with adolescent sexual behavior and first pregnancy. Pediatrics 108, e46

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

AUG 28, 2007 07:49 PM

DevilsReject said:
and Morgan i walk into my daughter's room every night, kiss her good night, tuck her in and say "Thank you god for making my ex wife unable to not spread teh legz".



HA!

A+. Would LOL again!

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

AUG 28, 2007 07:50 PM

Formus, I'm pretty sure that Seej agrees with you!

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