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  • THURSDAY AUGUST 2 2007 4:00 PM

If You Fuck a Man, He Owns You



At least, some folks in Ohio are trying to make that the law--and with the current makeup of the Supreme Court, they man succeed, despite the precedent of Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

OH State Representatives Adams, Wagner, Brinkman, Uecker, Huffman, Fessler, Wachtmann, Barrett, and Goodwin are sponsoring House Bill 287, which states that

(1) When the fetus that is the subject of the procedure is viable, no person shall perform or induce an abortion on a pregnant woman without the written informed consent of the father of the fetus.
(2) When the fetus that is the subject of the procedure is not viable, no person shall perform or induce an abortion on a pregnant woman without the written informed consent of the father of the fetus.


Since we all know that women are lying whores, the good gentlemen (and one lady;* Rep. Fessler is a (brainwashed) woman) of Ohio have taken care of the probability that the murderous bitches will just lie and say they've been raped, or shamelessly claim not to know who the father is: you can't get an abortion for rape or incest unless there's a police report filed. Daddy raped you, honey? And you were too scared or conflicted to call the cops? Tough shit. If you've been whoring around and claim not to know the father, you gotta get a paternity test. Possible babydaddy not around any more? Too. Fucking. Bad.

According to Feministe, Representative Adams argues that

In most cases, when a child is born the father has financial responsibility for that child, so he should have a say.


Which, as we all know, is a popular argument about libertarian-leaning people who believe that if you just say men and women are equal, that makes them so--minor things like a woman's right to bodily autonomy are irrelevant, whereas a man's absolute right to determine where and when he incurs financial obligations must not, under any circumstances, be infringed upon.**

As Melissa McEwan points out, requiring a woman to get a man's consent for an abortion is *not* giving him a "say"--it's giving him veto power. It's not making men and women *equal*--it's making women dependent on men's permission to decide what they do and don't do with their bodies.

But you know, if women didn't want to belong to men, we shouldn't have chosen to have uteruses in the first place.




*Irony alert. Of course any woman who could cosponsor a bill like this would be completely ladylike--since "lady," by definition, pretty much means "a woman who's bought into the idea that her sexuality belongs to men."

**Before y'all even get into arguing this point, let me ask if any of the guys (or foolish women) who want to talk about how unfair mandatory child support payments are to men have considered putting their energy into lobbying for governmental child support as a single-parent entitlement? Because if you don't want guys who accidentally cause pregnancies to have to support unwanted children--and let me point out that child support is *for the child*, not for the woman, thankyouverymuch--then you gotta provide some way for the kids to eat. Of course, if you don't think kids are entitled to eat, then you're just a straight up asshole.

Bitch_PhD wants everyone to know that they can contact (politely, one hopes--gentlemen and ladies do expect to be addressed politely) the Ohio State Legislature here.

 

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smock_b

smock_b

Monroe, MI
April 2007

AUG 02, 2007 06:50 PM

Morgan said:

smock_b said:
If a guy helped make the baby, then why can't he have a say in what happens to his son or daughter? To me it seems only fair. I don't agree on the written consent, why can't he just say "yes I want her to have an abortion"? Why does it have to be in writing?



Because it isn't his body. It's as simple as that.



So I guess to you all men are sperm donors and ATM's. It isn't as simple as "it's my body" because as the father of a baby we should have rights too.. but wait I forgot, this is the U.S., the only right a father has is to pay his child support and maybe see his son or daughter if the mother lets him...

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

AUG 02, 2007 06:55 PM

So one of your rights is "the right to force a woman to endure pregnancy and childbirth and to become a mother?"

You're actually serious?

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

AUG 02, 2007 06:56 PM

smock_b said:So I guess to you all men are sperm donors and ATM's.



That's quite a conclusion to jump to just because I am pro-choice.

smock_b said:It isn't as simple as that because as the father of a baby we should have rights too



He does. He has the right to talk with the woman involved about his feelings. He does not, however, have the right to make the decision for her or force her to either have the baby or to have an abortion. It isn't his body, so while he has every right to make his feelings on the subject known, he has no right to control the ultimate choice that is made.

GuiltShow

GuiltShow

Riverside, CA
May 2005

AUG 02, 2007 06:57 PM

Just FYI : Not every woman seeks child support and even fewer men actually pay it.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

AUG 02, 2007 06:58 PM

TheGringo said:
So one of your rights is "the right to force a woman to endure pregnancy and childbirth and to become a mother?"

You're actually serious?



Yeah, if a guy thinks he has a right to force me to have a child, he better not be too emotionally attached to his privates.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

AUG 02, 2007 06:58 PM

TheGringo said:
So one of your rights is "the right to force a woman to endure pregnancy and childbirth and to become a mother?"

You're actually serious?



Yeah, if a guy thinks he has a right to force me to have a child, I'd worry about his mind. Sounds like control issues to me.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

AUG 02, 2007 06:58 PM

Double posty goodness.

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

AUG 02, 2007 07:01 PM

It's all part of your plot to get this thread to page 5. Admit it.

smock_b

smock_b

Monroe, MI
April 2007

AUG 02, 2007 07:12 PM

It shouldn't be "it's my body, end of story" the mother should consult with the father and get his opinion...

smock_b

smock_b

Monroe, MI
April 2007

AUG 02, 2007 07:12 PM

TheGringo said:
It's all part of your plot to get this thread to page 5. Admit it.



damnit.... Busted....

hankor

hankor

Calgary, AB
June 2007

AUG 02, 2007 07:15 PM

That's right

darkcharge

darkcharge

Portland, OR
June 2006

AUG 02, 2007 07:16 PM

Some politician in Ohio must be in the coat hanger business.

The dark ages are back.

testykitten

testykitten

Andorra
February 2005

AUG 02, 2007 07:17 PM

Morgan said:

smock_b said:So I guess to you all men are sperm donors and ATM's.



That's quite a conclusion to jump to just because I am pro-choice.

smock_b said:It isn't as simple as that because as the father of a baby we should have rights too



He does. He has the right to talk with the woman involved about his feelings. He does not, however, have the right to make the decision for her or force her to either have the baby or to have an abortion. It isn't his body, so while he has every right to make his feelings on the subject known, he has no right to control the ultimate choice that is made.



agreed.

additionally everyone knows that having recreational sex could result in a pregnancy. do your best to prevent it, but if your fun results in a kid, you have to pay up. and not every mother collecting child support is a greedy harpie.

PatrickY

PatrickY

Vancouver, WA
December 2003

AUG 02, 2007 07:18 PM

smock_b said:
It shouldn't be "it's my body, end of story" the mother should consult with the father and get his opinion...



And what? No, really. And what? You're running an incomplete thought here.


Does she:

Get his opinion and abide by it, regardless of her own? That's what this law is aiming for.

Get his opinion, consider it, and then make the final decision for herself? That's hardly in conflict with what others are saying.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

AUG 02, 2007 07:18 PM

smock_b said:
It shouldn't be "it's my body, end of story" the mother should consult with the father and get his opinion...



I agree. But there is a difference between her getting his opinion and her having to get his PERMISSION.

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