Aw so now they need BOTH parents consent to kill the child? You mean it's not going to be so easy to murder your unborn baby in Ohio anymore? Damn you all!

simple thing is abortion many years ago was illegal so you'd get all these so called doctors performin abortions for cheap rates however most of the women died, due too the use of house hold items for surgical tools, so all those in favour of that dumbass shit say aye, or hope that like the good police an customs officails over in Ireland said when a judge banned a young girl from travelin over our side of the water to get an abortion whos gonna stop her cos we ain't

I thought it was worth quoting because it points to a significant fallacy in how this proposal is represented.

The only "men's right" this would serve is if the man wants the child. A negative consent might be a somewhat more appropriate expectation if this was the purpose. A negative consent means if the consentee doesn't respond by x period of time, then that is taken as consent.

Still even if Joe Random-Hookup decided he was ready to be a single father, he would have to consider the health cost to the mother, the opportunity cost (the value of what she could have been doing instead of having a baby), the medical costs, any psychological suffering, and the social stigma cost that non-mothering mothers incur. The court would probably have to make him agree to be liable for a considerable expense for all these as determined by how much the would-be mother values all of these negatives. In that case it would probably just make sense for the guy, assuming he can afford all this, to simply approach her out of court with a price.

Does having a "say" still sound interesting?

Wow, I'd actually consider leaving this country of this law goes into effect. It doesn't effect me directy but it goes to show the fucking fascist state W has put us into.

"and let me point out that child support is *for the child*, not for the woman, thankyouverymuch"

I pay nearly $900 in child support and "day care" a month. I get no say in how this money is spent on my son, I don't even get to have in say in where he lives, the child support is not tax deductible for me, and without his mother's permission, I can not even claim my son on my taxes to defray the outrageous cost of the child support.

To add insult to injury, she hauls off and moves to Texas, andIi am responsible for every penny when I try to exercise my visitation privileges. (plane tickets for unaccompanied minors are not cheap, yo)

This proposed law sucks, but what we currently have sucks for fathers that WANT to have contact with their children and be parents. By law, I have very few "rights" when it comes to a child I may father.

As much as I think Bush is an idiot - I think it's even more idiotic to assume this bill is influenced by Bush.

By the way, their governor, sec of state, both house reps and one senator are all democrats.

I'd like to blame the fact that one of my favorite salt water fish died the other day on Bush....but dammit I can't.

I'm glad somebody said it. Child support is a very complicated issue, and that doesn't get recognized enough.

+1

Child support for existing children and the right to veto or impede an abortion aren't even close to being the same issue.

A agree that child support laws are fucked up but it has nothing to do with this thread.

Why is anyone suprised by this
This is why the Judeo/Christian religions were "invented"
for a good read try this book.

When GOD was a Woman by Merlin Stone

Here,archeologically documented,is the story of the religion of the Goddess. Known by many names-Astarte, Isis, Ishtar, among others-She reigned supreme in the Near amd Middle East. Beyond being worshipped for fertility, she was revered as the wise creator and the one source of universal order. Under her, womens's roles differed markedly from those in patriarchal Judeo-Christian cultures. Women bought and sold property, traded in the marketplace, and the inheritance of title and property was passed from mother to daughter.
How did the change come about? By documenting the wholesale rewriting of myth and religious dogmas, Merlin Stone details a most ancient conspiracy: the patriarchal re-imaging of the Goddess as a wanton, depraved figure. This is the portrait that laid the foundation for one of culture's greatest shams - the legend of Adam and fallen Eve.

I encourage all Women of Ohio to move to Canada.

We have giant swaths of land you can have and Universal healthcare PLUS a political culture that would make this kind of backwoods hillbilly douche oriented legislation impossible.

A woman's body is hers. No argument. No discussion. She has final say over what happens to it. If you disagree with this statement in any way observe the following instructions

1. please go immediately to the nearest cinderblock distribution center.

2. Ask the attendant for the heaviest block you can carry

3. Purchase said cinderblock (don't forget to tip)

4. Find the nearest lake or pond (please refrain from using a public pool)

5. Grasp cinderblock firmly.

6. Walk into lake or pond or lake until you are fully submerged

7. Sit down and begin to breath deeply.

8. Wait for Jesus to come get you.

ALL religions were invented. We should trust science over myth and folklore.

it was mentioned in the article.

There are so many issues tied into the parent's abilty to determine how they want their child raised. From abortion to childbirth to schools to religion to higher education...they all tie in together.

Frequently the father's voice is considered less important than the opinions of the mother, social workers and judges. Here is a law being presented that may have a good intention, but the delivery seems flawed. If the intent is to simply make it impossible for the majority of women seeking an abortion to get one, that is a terrible infringement on the woman's privilege to choose.

I am pro choice, and yet I find the condescention toward pro-lifers in our circles is absurd. They have a point of view...I don't agree with it, but I disagree with any point of view so narrow that it can't try to underdstand the other side's view.

Don't get me wrong. It exists on both sides. But, if they're the backward thinking ones, then they have an excuse. What's ours?