First to go, first to go, first to go...

...Unless you think!

Well, I don't feel qualified to comment on Professor Moeller's intentions, but I agree with Rahodeb that it's important to expose these books for what they are. I think that the arguement that the banning of these books gives them a certain mystique is absolutely true. I might be reaching a little far here, but it seems that the implication is that reading Mein Kampf would instantly turn you into an anti-semite. Well, it would have to be undeniably true to have that kind of effect. The truth is that Mein Kampf is unreadable garbage. Not just because it's so full of hate, but it was also very poorly written. In his excellent work "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", William L. Shirer tells us that almost nobody actually read Mein Kampf. It's sales were motivated entirely by fear of being seen as anything less than manically devoted to the Nazi party.

I rememeber there was quite a fuss several years ago over the movie "Max", since it depicted Hitler as being too human. Well, Hitler was human, and he inspired a lot of other humans to commit inhuman acts. I feel it's important to understand why, so we can be sure it will never happen again.

I don't think it much matter what his true motivations are. The only way we can learn from our mistakes as idividuals is by openely acknowledging them. I believe the same ideal applies to us a species.

And while they are at it, can we get an annotated version of the Bible exposing it's fallacies? Might as well toss in the Koran too. Those two books are as responsible for just as much (if not more) evil and hatred than Mein Kampf and The Protocols.

Aggh, don't mind me, I was arguing with Creationists again.

6,000 years my ass.

If you want to call Nazism a religion, then I guess I agree with you.

But even as a "Christian", I can't say that the Bible or the Quran doesn't deserve to be picked apart as a literary work.

Hell, the funny thing is I could leave now and in 5 minutes have a un-annotated version of Mein Kampf!

It must only be dangerous in Germany!

Didn't realize the bibles (any of them) were banned. And books annotating them (as truth or otherwise) abound in droves, so I am not certain what point you are making unless you are just off on an angry rant.

Very true. I tried reading it and it was too laborious.

As a Jew, I abhor Hitler's thoughts.

As a Jew, I am very much FOR shedding the light of day on this drek whereever and whenever.

no book should ever be banned...ever.

It is good to know how others think.......even if they are as evil and sick as Hitler was!!! There might be another one of his like born tomorrow.

Yeah, fresh off dealing with a guy that has his brain stuck in the 15th century.

Not banned, but definitely the source of much pain and suffering. Would anyone care about Mein Kampf if Hitler and the Nazis had not killed over 6 million people? Probably not.

As for Nazism being a religion (for OhSoOrdinary), it contained much of the emotional appeal and dogmatic approach that many religions have used successfully. What is the difference between a political cult of personality and a successful religious movement?

I feel that it's important to expose everything. This is kind of the Buddhist way of dealing with shit. Just bring it right out in the open where we can all get a good look at it.

I think there's bound to be trouble from either banning stuff or exposing it. But I think in the long run exposing it is always the better option.

I'm Jewish, and while I wish the book had never existed, I also wish the Holocaust had never happened. That said, I do not believe the Holocaust should be ignored and buried, quite the contrary I believe it should be taught in graphic detail.

As such, it would be hypocritical of me to say mk should not be published. There is no reason to fear such an illogical argument, and anyone who would take the book to heart is already evil to begin with.

In other words, sure, publish it. There's nothing wrong with seeing inside the head of a deranged madman, and if you're going to become that fucked up from it then you probably were anyways.


Oh yeah, and if you spew that shit to my face I'll knock you into low orbit, but that's a separate issue :p

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/



I can remember a lot of kids being really impressed with themselves over having copies of stuff like the Satanic Bible or the Anarchist Cookbook in school. There's definitely a strong pull towards the taboo for many of us, especially when we're young. I certainly put too much stock in some dubious ideas and sources of information simply because they were frowned upon.

I can't imagine what kind of allure an illegal book would have held, or what kind of stock I might have put into the ideas it contained just because some authority figure thought you shouldn't have it.

"those who forget history are destined to repeat it..." i don't know who quote it.

i think on what my friend who is jewish said "It's a boaring read, with no base on fact, or truth..."