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  • SUNDAY JULY 15 2007 4:00 PM

Michael Savage Thinks Immigration Activists Should be Put Into… Captivity

Submitted by Subrosa

Edited by erin_broadley

Tags: Michael Savage, Immigration, Right-Wing Radio, I Can't Believe This Fucker Lives In San Francisco



Hee hee. I’m just kidding y’all. Right-wing shock idiot Michael Savage doesn’t think that activists should be put into a poorly-reviewed torture porn opus. Rather, he wishes that certain activists who participated in a hunger strike for immigrant rights should die. Seriously.

Bay Area immigrant rights advocates say radio host Michael Savage should be fired for using hateful language when suggesting supporters of an immigration reform bill who fasted in San Francisco's Civic Center Plaza last week should starve to death.

During a July 5 broadcast of "The Savage Nation," his nationally syndicated talk show, Savage said, "I would say let them fast till they starve to death ... because then we won't have a problem about giving them green cards because they're illegal aliens."


Well, I know what you’re thinking. You’re thinking that the protesters were probably a bunch of hippie San Francisco liberal pussies who want to open our borders and let a bunch of dirty Mexicans take our jobs. And if that’s the case, fuck ‘em for advocating amnesty. Let ‘em starve. Am I right?

Well, no.

The immigrant students fasted to show support for the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act, which would make higher education or military service a part of the path to citizenship for young illegal immigrants. The DREAM Act was introduced in Congress in 2001 and most recently stalled in June as part of the Senate's hotly debated immigration reform bill.


In other words, they were arguing that young people who have marketable skills or prove their loyalty to America should have a shot at becoming citizens. How horrible!

Savage is just doing what he always does, of course. He stirs up controversy by advocating for the most vile and callous ideas, and by defending the indefensible. This isn’t much different than anyone else who deals in shock. After all, no one has ever gone broke playing to stupid people’s baser instincts. That said, even among the vast intellectual wasteland that are the right-wing political radio smut-peddlers, Savage is one of a kind.

Here are a sampling of some of his more intelligent tidbits:

"The next time you’re in your backyard grilling hot dogs, don’t be surprised if your Korean neighbor is actually grilling his dog. That’s the way things are done in Korea.”

"You’re the ones who did it. You liberals are the descendents of Adolf Hitler, only you don’t know it. You’re the most dangerous people on planet Earth. I am your enemy. I am your worst nightmare. I will expose you. I know who you are and I know you’re suicidal and I’m going to expose you until this government acts finally to stop you. I am not kidding you. I’m telling it as it is."

He called affirmative action "The Fairness for Dummies Act"

"We need another brave Senator, like McCarthy, whom history has proven to be a loyal patriot."

"I'm beginning to think that women should be denied the vote. Their hormones rage; they are too emotional."


Or how about some of his choicer thoughts on the tsunami disaster in 2004:

You could take the argument that it's God's will, it's too bad and let's move on. And then let others help them. They're not in our sphere of interest.
[…]
You could argue, maybe this is God's hand, because some of their brethren struck Christian America. Maybe God speaks the truth but waits. Seeks the truth and waits.
[…]
Many of the countries and the areas in these countries that were hit by these tidal waves were hotbeds of radical Islam. Why should we be helping them destroy us? ... I think what we're doing is feeding our own demise. ... I truthfully don't believe in foreign aid.
[...]
We shouldn't be spending a nickel on this, as far as I'm concerned. ... I don't want one nickel of my money going over there. ... I am sick of being bled to death by every damn incident on the earth.


So clearly, he’s a very classy guy. While advocating the death of peaceful activists is (amazingly) not the worst thing the guy has said, one would think that someone as allegedly pro-free speech as Savage would have a little bit more sympathy for folks who are exercising their constitutional rights. I guess those who chose to speak freely are only worthy of praise (or, in this case, life) if he agrees with their message. What else is new?

Of course at base, Savage is simply another hate-filled idiot intent on lowering the bar for civilized debate ever further that it already has been. He’s a parasite on our national dialogue, leeching off whatever shred of rationality and compassion may remain within it. And that’s fine. Everyone has a part to play, I suppose. His part is legitimizing lunacy and hate.

Savage’s remarks aren’t getting the national ink that Imus’ did, so I doubt he has to worry about losing his job. But wouldn’t it be nice if he had to worry about a pink slip not because of this idiocy but because people got fed up with this garbage and stopped listening?

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egon

egon

Las Vegas, NV
July 2003

JUL 16, 2007 04:09 AM

Subrosa said:

egon said:
(I mean, I am a defense attorney by trade)



You... you... BASTARD!




we just can't do what we do all the time without being able to detach our feelings and moral judgements (but not ethics, I know I took PR too) from our legal responsibilities.

Maybe it carries over. Or maybe we ended up doing what we do because we were born that way

Synthiviper

Synthiviper

Chicago, IL
June 2004

JUL 16, 2007 05:33 AM

His only redeeming trait? He hates Rush Limbaugh.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUL 16, 2007 06:56 AM

egon said:

Subrosa said:

egon said:
(I mean, I am a defense attorney by trade)



You... you... BASTARD!




we just can't do what we do all the time without being able to detach our feelings and moral judgements (but not ethics, I know I took PR too) from our legal responsibilities.

Maybe it carries over. Or maybe we ended up doing what we do because we were born that way



Sure. Though I prefer to think we do what we do because we're just too awesome not to.

That said, I never really understood hunger strikes either. Not because I don't understand how they've been effective but because I know within the first 4 hours or so I'd be ordering in for Pizza.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 16, 2007 07:04 AM

malkav11 said:

chainlink said:

Baletempest said:
From his website:


Trained as a scientist, he holds Master's degrees in medical botany and medical anthropology and earned his Ph.D. from the University of California at Berkeley in Epidemiology and Nutritional Science. He spent decades searching and saving tropical rainforests.



Ok, that is almost certainly BS. Firstly I can't find any record of this guy writing a paper on rainforest conservation. Secondly how does having 3 medical degrees make you a conservationist in the first place?! I (almost) have a masters degree in Conservation myself, by this logic it would make me qualified to practice medicine because all science is apparently the same in the pea between this guys ears.



That is very interesting.
If you spent decades in the field doing research, as "searching and saving" implies you probably would have written thousands of papers, been published in scientific trade journals hundreds of times and probably written a few books. Wouldn't you ?
Shouldn't be too hard to find something.



Well....he's written books. They're not quite the kind you mean, though. I was quite impressed. His book "Savage Nation" (or possibly "A Savage Nation", I forget) surely holds the World Record on most lies packed into a single back-of-the-book blurb.



No, I seriously mean scientific literature.
I found absolutely nothing as well.
Unless he went by the name Michael Alan, or possibly Alan Weinier? I did find a few anthropology papers mentioning an Alan Weiner. But I'm pretty sure the Alan Weiner that I've repeatedly found is Chair of Biochemistry at The University of Washington, not Savage.

I'm not actually a scientist, someone in the field would have a much better idea where to look. But there should be something !!, lots I imagine.

Any Berkeley Alumni here to look him up ? I don't have access to real alumni records but curiously The wikipedia entry for notable Berkeley Alumni lists him as Michael Savage- Non-fictional broadcasting, Grad 1978. Not Michael Weiner accomplished research scientist. I had supposed it's been updated to reflect their current occupations but that doesn't seem the case for most of the other people listed.

Anyway, I'm still finding that curious. No matter how obnoxious a radio personality you become in life, a 20+ year career as a scientist doesn't usually just disappear.
Especially considering how outspoken the man is, I would imagine the guy would have been a pretty divisive scientist as well.

Edit: Nevermind, I finally found some mention of it.

Here

He has a nationally syndicated AM radio talk show called Savage Nation, a Ph D. in Nutritional Ethnomedicine from the University of California, Berkeley, is a respected and often cited source of herbal lore information, has authored at least 19 books, . . .

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

JUL 16, 2007 07:27 AM

^^^ Yeah, that's very strange. My father-in-law is a scientist of note, and his publications, are easily accessed with a cursory search. Where's all the peer reviewed stuff?



Anyway, I'm trying to decide if it is more reprehensible if this is just his schtick, or if he actually holds these beliefs.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 16, 2007 07:41 AM

As Michael A. Weiner he wrote,

Nutrition Against Aging,1983
The Complete Book of Homeopathy, 1998
Herbs that heal : prescription for herbal healing, 1994
Reducing the Risk of Alzheimer's, 1990
The Herbal Bible: A Family Guide to Herbal Home Remedies,1991
The Antioxidant Cookbook: A Nutritionist's Secret Strategy, 1996
Earth Medicine, Earth Food , 1990
Healing Children Naturally,1994
Weiner's Herbal: The Guide to Herb Medicine,1991
Maximum Immunity, 1986
Bugs in the Peanut Butter: Dangers in Everyday Food ,1976
The Art of Feeding Children Well , 1982
Man's Useful Plants, 1976
Plant a tree: A working guide to regreening America, 1975
Earth Medicine--Earth Foods; Plant Remedies, Drugs, and Natural Foods of the North American Indians, 1972

AND odd book out - Getting Off Cocaine , 1984

Just to share.

Gillionaire

Gillionaire

Manchester, NH
February 2007

JUL 16, 2007 07:41 AM

Ah, I see he once did the "McCarthy is awesome" shpell. Joe McCarthy was one of the very first historical figures I ever studied in depth growing up, and it amazes me that anyone could possibly think he was anything more then a pathetic, angry, vengeful little man.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 16, 2007 07:47 AM

wildswan said:
^^^ Yeah, that's very strange. My father-in-law is a scientist of note, and his publications, are easily accessed with a cursory search. Where's all the peer reviewed stuff?



Anyway, I'm trying to decide if it is more reprehensible if this is just his schtick, or if he actually holds these beliefs.



Yeah , initially I was searching more strictly for peer-reviewed papers or published articles in science journals. And was really drawing blanks.
Now finding all the books he published I'm almost more surprised by the lack of peer review trail. But, as far as my basic thought of total fraud goes, I suppose all the books published meets my expectations of a 20+ year career as a scientist.

I still think he's fecal.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

JUL 16, 2007 07:55 AM

^^^ No one can be barred from publishing anything they want. It doesn't make him a respected scientist. So, I'm pretty skeptical.



chainlink said:
I still think he's fecal.



Ehehehehe. Me too.

Heathen_Dave

Heathen_Dave

Birmingham, AL
July 2005

JUL 16, 2007 07:56 AM

chainlink said:

wildswan said:
^^^ Yeah, that's very strange. My father-in-law is a scientist of note, and his publications, are easily accessed with a cursory search. Where's all the peer reviewed stuff?



Anyway, I'm trying to decide if it is more reprehensible if this is just his schtick, or if he actually holds these beliefs.



Yeah , initially I was searching more strictly for peer-reviewed papers or published articles in science journals. And was really drawing blanks.
Now finding all the books he published I'm almost more surprised by the lack of peer review trail. But, as far as my basic thought of total fraud goes, I suppose all the books published meets my expectations of a 20+ year career as a scientist.

I still think he's fecal.



Unfortunately genius does not guarantee stability and common sense.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 16, 2007 08:13 AM

Heathen_Dave said:

chainlink said:

wildswan said:
^^^ Yeah, that's very strange. My father-in-law is a scientist of note, and his publications, are easily accessed with a cursory search. Where's all the peer reviewed stuff?



Anyway, I'm trying to decide if it is more reprehensible if this is just his schtick, or if he actually holds these beliefs.



Yeah , initially I was searching more strictly for peer-reviewed papers or published articles in science journals. And was really drawing blanks.
Now finding all the books he published I'm almost more surprised by the lack of peer review trail. But, as far as my basic thought of total fraud goes, I suppose all the books published meets my expectations of a 20+ year career as a scientist.

I still think he's fecal.



Unfortunately genius does not guarantee stability and common sense.



True.
His current rantings seem so contrary to his philosophies seemingly expressed in his former publications that I really do wonder about the syphilis angle that darwinsjoke brought up. Was that serious ? It does seem like on a cursory glance the guy has had some major personality shift.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUL 16, 2007 08:17 AM

chainlink said:
As Michael A. Weiner he wrote,

Nutrition Against Aging,1983
The Complete Book of Homeopathy, 1998
Herbs that heal : prescription for herbal healing, 1994
Reducing the Risk of Alzheimer's, 1990
The Herbal Bible: A Family Guide to Herbal Home Remedies,1991
The Antioxidant Cookbook: A Nutritionist's Secret Strategy, 1996
Earth Medicine, Earth Food , 1990
Healing Children Naturally,1994
Weiner's Herbal: The Guide to Herb Medicine,1991
Maximum Immunity, 1986
Bugs in the Peanut Butter: Dangers in Everyday Food ,1976
The Art of Feeding Children Well , 1982
Man's Useful Plants, 1976
Plant a tree: A working guide to regreening America, 1975
Earth Medicine--Earth Foods; Plant Remedies, Drugs, and Natural Foods of the North American Indians, 1972

AND odd book out - Getting Off Cocaine , 1984

Just to share.


Ooooh! Time to do some early Christmas shopping.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

JUL 16, 2007 08:17 AM

chainlink said:
True.
His current rantings seem so contrary to his philosophies seemingly expressed in his former publications that I really do wonder about the syphilis angle that darwinsjoke brought up. Was that serious ? It does seem like on a cursory glance the guy has had some major personality shift.





Em. Oh. En. Ee. Why?!

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 16, 2007 08:29 AM

wildswan said:

chainlink said:
True.
His current rantings seem so contrary to his philosophies seemingly expressed in his former publications that I really do wonder about the syphilis angle that darwinsjoke brought up. Was that serious ? It does seem like on a cursory glance the guy has had some major personality shift.





Em. Oh. En. Ee. Why?!



Oh I dunno. It's probably just coke rage, Or 'lack of coke' rage.
I don't know how that works. confused

vance333

vance333

Hamburg, MI
July 2007

JUL 16, 2007 08:54 AM

But you all miss the black and white of this situation. In America we have the right to say what we want , its called FREEDOM OF SPEECH . And if you don't like what you hear either speak against it or don't listen . Becouse if you stop him from speaking freely sooner or later someone won't like what you say and will stop you . And then no one will be able to speak the truth at all .

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